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As for myself- absolutely. Abortion is the single greatest crime against humanity. Saint Mother Teresa rightly said, We must not be surprised when we hear of murders, of killings, of wars, of hatred. If a mother can kill her own child, what is left but for us to kill each other?
I voted yes, but it's a little bit more complicated than that for me. I voted yes in the sense that elective abortions should be banned.
As a mother, I believe life is sacred. I've seen and heard the testimonies of people who were not aborted. They were extremely grateful their mothers had chosen not to abort them and went on to live happy and productive lives. They were blessed their mothers chose life instead of death.
I do believe termination of life should be the last resort instead of the first choice. Abortion has become all too commonplace...
I can see it spurring a race to see which red state can make it most illegal with some truly draconian restrictions on those unlucky enough to be female.Overturning Roe won't change anything. Abortion is pretty much unavailable in red states now, and readily available in blue states.
First, please vote in the poll.
Second, please give your reasons for voting the way you did.
Third, let's avoid the usual ad nauseam attacks of previous abortion discussion threads.
And that includes, but not limited to the following accusations of: "If pro-lifers did this or if pro-lifers did that..." or "If pro-choice people did this or if pro-choice people did that..." We know that discussing abortion can be a very heated and emotional debate. We also know that the legality of abortion will probably be challenged in the Supreme Court in the near future. And with being said, I'm hoping we can set aside our differences and discuss the abortion issue in a civil and respectful manner.
I don't really care about the rights of the states here. I care about the rights of the people.But in saying this, you do presume to have the rights to
a) force every state to abort children on their soil
Because that "other life" does not have rights that supersede those of the mother to determine her own reproductive health. Her body is not something that can be given up for someone else against her will, even for her own children and until a fetus is recognized as a legal person, they don't have any rights.b) allow expectant mothers (and fathers) to be judge, jury and executioner over the life of another.
Not really. Roe v Wade determined that abortion is a private medical decision to be made between a woman and her doctor. That's what I support.You have some contradictions to work out if you wish to continue supporting Roe.
Yes.Do the women and their doctors have the right to decide what should be done with the baby?
Every time that has been tried in this fallen world it has failed BADLY; therefore I am thankful that that is not how this country is run. Nor has it ever been the first amendment declares so.At least you didn't say "thank God", because that would have been the greatest slap in the face you could have handed to Him with that sentence. "Thank You that we aren't ruled by You!"
Under the law that would depend because under the law to be murder it must be a person, so if under the law a person is defined as either having been born or after a certain time say 20 weeks along; then under a law like that before that abortion would not be murder.Abortion is murder of the innocents, period.
A lot of churches teach a lot of stuff. Should they all be used to determine domestic policy for a secular nation? I get that it informs your decisions and that's fine with me, but why should people who don't attend your church have to follow this same ideal?Put simply, my Church teaches that abortion is a tremendous moral evil. No possible good can come from it, ever, period.
I will never stop calling for a ban to all abortions.
We don't define personhood, God does.Under the law that would depend because under the law to be murder it must be a person, so if under the law a person is defined as either having been born or after a certain time say 20 weeks along; then under a law like that before that abortion would not be murder.
Just keep in mind that the concept of a secular government was invented by deeply religious people who didn't feel like following the edicts of other people's religions.At least you didn't say "thank God", because that would have been the greatest slap in the face you could have handed to Him with that sentence. "Thank You that we aren't ruled by You!"
so you would prefer the amendment, but would settle for the other?I would prefer a constitutional amendment granting rights to the unborn and making any law which legalizes abortions for any reason other than medical necessity unconstitutional.
so then when are you a person? When you are actually born after nine months or some time before then.I have two issues with limiting abortion.
1) I do not see a fetus as a person.
2) I do not see how you can violate a woman's bodily integrity without giving cause to violate others.
depends on how you define it. All operations are elective to a certain degree, but refusing to have some will result in pain or death to the patient refusing to have others may just mean that you look slightly different.All abortions are elective....
Not in the US, there isn't.There is a Higher Court than the Supreme Court.
Unlucky enough to be female? Unless that female was raped all she had to do was say no, and not only do most of those laws have an exception for rape, but even if they did not that is a tiny percentage of abortions that would be affected by removing that exception.I can see it spurring a race to see which red state can make it most illegal with some truly draconian restrictions on those unlucky enough to be female.
A democratic process is allegedly intended to reflect the will of the people.A lot of churches teach a lot of stuff. Should they all be used to determine domestic policy for a secular nation? I get that it informs your decisions and that's fine with me, but why should people who don't attend your church have to follow this same ideal?
Actually, this is a secular nation and as a result the law does define certain things differently than the Bible at times. As this is a secular nation, then those are the laws that apply this side of Heaven not what the Bible or any other holy book says.We don't define personhood, God does.
Maybe when we can create a person, we will have the right to define it.
There is a Higher Court than the Supreme Court.
The adults ( in most cases ( unless the woman was raped) made that choice when they chose to sleep together .Yes.
What's that alternative, ask the baby to make the decisions that impact the adults?
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