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Should I use someone’s pronouns if it is not their gender?

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RIght, Jesus doesen't have much to say about it other than love your neighbor as yourself.

You believe loving your neighbor is on the same level as fulfilling unnatural lusts with your neighbors?
 
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You believe loving your neighbor is on the same level as fulfilling unnatural lusts with your neighbors?
Sex change has nothing to do with sexual intercourse. Another fable promoted by conservatives.
 
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Not if that's what they want to be called. I see it as more that it's being self-righteous and a bit high and mighty. I mean who are you to make that choice for someone else?.
They don't own other peoples lips and/or choice of words. Then they put it all under the umbrella of "pride" and have tried forcing people to wear their "pride" things to celebrate what is shown as reprobate.

For example, in Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. But all things in this pride movement are believed to be a good thing, something to celebrate whereas elsewhere it says, Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

There is nothing stopping someone from calling their own selves one thing or another but who is anyone to make that choice for someone else on this side of things?
 
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Sex change has nothing to do with sexual intercourse. Another fable promoted by conservatives.
Who is talking about sex change? LGBTQ is what you brought up, a lesbian or gay or bisexual does not need to have a sex change to exchange sex with another woman over what is natural.
 
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There is nothing stopping someone from calling their own selves one thing or another but who is anyone to make that choice for someone else on this side of things?
Still, why would you feel the need to correct someone's pronoun? Why not just respect them and not place your religious beliefs upon them?
 
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Who is talking about sex change? LGBTQ is what you brought up, a lesbian or gay or bisexual does not need to have a sex change to exchange sex with another woman over what is natural.
The T in LGTBQ is trans-genderism. Wy make it your business what other people do? Are you the Christ?
 
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Still, why would you feel the need to correct someone's pronoun? Why not just respect them and not place your religious beliefs upon them?

Like I said, you don't own other peoples lips and/or choice of words that way.

I could also ask, why not rather respect those that don't buy into owning pronouns and not to place their irreligious demands on those who might not agree.
 
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I would invite you to read this for a different perspective, OP.

 
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The T in LGTBQ is trans-genderism.

You're diverting, I asked, who is talking about sex change? I know what the T stands for I didn't ask for an interpretation

Wy make it your business what other people do?

I certainly dont care what someone else does, but if they want my lips to kiss them with their word choices regarding themselves thats getting into my business not me getting into theirs


Are you the Christ?

You're new at this huh?
 
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You're diverting, I asked, who is talking about sex change? I know what the T stands for I didn't ask for an interpretation
Well, why would you be asked to call a lesbian a man. I think you are confused about the difference between a homo and a trans.
I certainly dont care what someone else does, but if they want my lips to kiss them with their word choices regarding themselves thats getting into my business not me getting into theirs
So why not just respect what they want to be called? Does it hurt you in some way? Do feel that you need to teach these people some kind of lesson? It sounds to me like you just want to sit in the judgment seat of Christ.
You're new at this huh?
No, but I think you are confused about what it means to respect someone's-choices and you seem to feel the need to correct other people's decisions about how they want to be addressed. Why not just respect their choice and keep your religious beliefs to yourself? Does it make you feel good or feel righteous to insult these people?
 
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Well, why would you be asked to call a lesbian a man. I think you are confused about the difference between a homo and a trans.

Post #84 I said, a lesbian or gay or bisexual does not need to have a sex change to exchange sex with another woman over what is natural.

Notice Gay as in L(lesbian) G (gay) B (bisexual).
So why not just respect what they want to be called?
We can play this game all day, so why not respect it the other way around?


Does it hurt you in some way?

I believe the video(s) I posted (the one with Megyn) perfectly describe where the hurt is, and Matts also which is short and sweet and to the point, I agree with both of them. You might not, be free to call birds airplanes if you want, as long as I am not being forced to bow the knee to or kiss any golden pot at the end of some leprechaun's rainbow its fine by me.

It hurts no one to just call someone by their name.


Do feel that you need to teach these people some kind of lesson?
Teach who? Are they here on this pronoun thread?

It sounds to me like you just want to sit in the judgment seat of Christ.

Not wanting to participate in the whole pronoun thing isnt really trying to sit on the judgment seat of Christ.

No, but I think you are confused about what it means to respect someone's-choices and you seem to feel the need to correct other people's decisions about how they want to be addressed.
Yeah but you see, its MY CHOICE not to participate in someone elses choices, its not a one way street, I am not bound to someone elses choices.

You also seem to feel the need to correct decisions (like mine own) when it comes to how I have decided to adress certain people (which is by name only). Which hurts no one at all.


Why not just respect their choice and keep your religious beliefs to yourself?

Where have I disrepected any of their choices to be LGBTQ?

I have certainly not travelled to any gay pride parade and started preaching to them.

And if their deviant religion infringes upon mine and demand to be Lord of my lips, I will certainly have something to say about it and will not keep my faith to myself. Its called stay in your lane. I am not the one veering into anyones lane actually they are and you are.


Does it make you feel good or feel righteous to insult these people?

When and where have I insulted these people?
 
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We can play this game all day, so why not respect it the other way around?
Because it is bigoted
It hurts no one to just call someone by their name
It's not a name but a pronoun.
Teach who? Are they here on this pronoun thread?
It would seem you want to teach those who want to be referred to as a pronoun that they were not born with who they really are.
Not wanting to participate in the whole pronoun thing isnt really trying to sit on the judgment seat of Christ.
You are participating by denying them their choice.
You also seem to feel the need to correct decisions (like mine own) when it comes to how I have decided to adress certain people (which is by name only). Which hurts no one at all.
I seek to correct bigoted attitudes and those attitudes which seek to correct the way others address themselves.
And if their deviant religion infringes upon mine and demand to be Lord of my lips, I will certainly have something to say about it and will not keep my faith to myself. Its called stay in your lane. I am not the one veering into anyones lane actually they are and you are.
I care not for what lane you want to be associated. I care that people respect other people's wishes about how they want to be addressed.
When and where have I insulted these people?
By not addressing in the manor in which they want to be addressed like you have some lesson to teach them.
 
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Because it is bigoted
No its not
It's not a name but a pronoun.

I adress by name, they will have to get over it
It would seem you want to teach those who want to be referred to as a pronoun that they were not born with who they really are.

I dont care how they refer to themselves, they need not teach my lips what to call them when their name is fine
You are participating by denying them their choice.

They would be participating in denying me my choice, I could care less about their choices
I seek to correct bigoted attitudes and those attitudes which seek to correct the way others address themselves.

You are all over the place in your non responses
I care not for what lane you want to be associated. I care that people respect other people's wishes about how they want to be addressed.

That's what a lane is
By not addressing in the manor in which they want to be addressed like you have some lesson to teach them.
I dont need to call anyone anything other than their name, and it seems more to me that it's quite the opposite.
 
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Probably show them the respect they are due. Jesus doesn't really get into LGBTQ issues in the gospels.
Right. God showed his views on it in Genesis. (ch. 19:24-25)
 
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I adress by name, they will have to get over it
So no problem then if you use the name Mary for a biological male.
I dont care how they refer to themselves, they need not teach my lips what to call them when their name is fine
Not caring is the problem. You should care for individuals like Christ did.
They would be participating in denying me my choice, I could care less about their choices
Your choice to assign a pronoun to a person that does not apply to them? That would seem selfish actually.
You are all over the place in your non responses
Maybe you just don't like my responses.
That's what a lane is
Then stay in yours and respect other people's
I dont need to call anyone anything other than their name, its seems more to me that its quite the opposite
Good for you. Do you feel good about yourself now?
 
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Right. God showed his views on it in Genesis. (ch. 19:24-25)
So should we live by Mosaic law where a woman can be stoned for not screaming loud enough when she is raped?
 
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So no problem then if you use the name Mary for a biological male.

Why not? I know a Joe thats a biological female, your name is your name not your gender
Not caring is the problem. You should care for individuals like Christ did.
Not caring what they call themselves is the problem now? Do you ever hear yourself?
Your choice to assign a pronoun to a person that does not apply to them? That would seem selfish actually.
I have already said again and again, their own pronouns and what they call themselves is their own choice, but I will not be using their pronouns, I will call them by name. And you are having a tiff over it, I find that strange.
Maybe you just don't like my responses.

Your responses are to strawmen
Then stay in yours and respect other people's

You said it wasnt a lane was my point and I had already stated that, do you read anything I write or are ya really hot for an argument?
Good for you. Do you feel good about yourself now?

Because I said, " I dont need to call anyone anything other than their name"?

What a strange response
 
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Why not simply respect another person's wishes? Would it cause you some level of distress to adjust how you address an individual by their preferred pronoun?
Because I do not care about someone's wishes. AS a Christian, I do NOT accept transgender ideology or lifestyle. period.
 
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God made man and woman. Transgenders mock and insult their creator by claiming to be something they aren't. A man in a dress is NOT a woman. Period.
 
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