Should I use someone’s pronouns if it is not their gender?

[Saber Truth Tiger]

Let proposition P1 = If a person knows the answer to a question, he should never ask that question.

True?

Just as I thought. A troll. Bye.

 

[tonychanyt]

Just as I thought. A troll. Bye.

Please stay focused.

Let proposition P1 = If a person knows the answer to a question, he should never ask that question.

True?

Apparently, you think P1 is true. Am I wrong?

 

[eleos1954]

reference?

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

1. (n.) The act of assuming, or taking to or upon one's self; the act of taking up or adopting.

2. (n.) The act of taking for granted, or supposing a thing without proof; supposition; unwarrantable claim.

3. (n.) The thing supposed; a postulate, or proposition assumed; a supposition.

4. (n.) The minor or second proposition in a

belief


noun


be· lief bə-ˈlēf

Synonyms of belief

1

: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing


2

: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed


especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group


3


: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence

Assumption and beliefs are somewhat kindred ... but not the same

One may start with an assumption .... but if examined further ... it can turn into a belief (more confidence that something is true from examination of evidence).

Assumptions or beliefs may or may not be true.

It is my assumption you do not think there is a difference between assuming something and believing something. True or false?
It is my assumption because I require more information to understand your thinking on the matter. Your answer provides more evidence (information) one way or the other as to what you think about the matter. If more information is not provided then my assumption stays in tact until such time you provide additional information.

What you think about the matter has no consequence to me or vice versa ... it's just conversation about our thinking, which may be the same .... or not.

Assumption or belief?

Hebrews 11:1-6 NKJV
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Romans 1:20

King James Bible
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[tonychanyt]

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

1. (n.) The act of assuming, or taking to or upon one's self; the act of taking up or adopting.

2. (n.) The act of taking for granted, or supposing a thing without proof; supposition; unwarrantable claim.

3. (n.) The thing supposed; a postulate, or proposition assumed; a supposition.

4. (n.) The minor or second proposition in a

belief


noun


be· lief bə-ˈlēf

Synonyms of belief

1

: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing


2

: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed


especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group


3


: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence

Assumption and beliefs are somewhat kindred ... but not the same

One may start with an assumption .... but if examined further ... it can turn into a belief (more confidence that something is true from examination of evidence).

Assumptions or beliefs may or may not be true.

It is my assumption you do not think there is a difference between assuming something and believing something. True or false?
It is my assumption because I require more information to understand your thinking on the matter. Your answer provides more evidence (information) one way or the other as to what you think about the matter. If more information is not provided then my assumption stays in tact until such time you provide additional information.

What you think about the matter has no consequence to me or vice versa ... it's just conversation about our thinking, which may be the same .... or not.

Assumption or belief?

Hebrews 11:1-6 NKJV
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Romans 1:20

King James Bible
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Can one assume X without believing in X?

 

[eleos1954]

Can one assume X without believing in X?

Do you think assuming and believing are the same?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Assumption.....The thing supposed


Something that is assumed to be so as shown in a few of the examples below

Mat 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; (but were wrong)


Mat 6:49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit (but were wrong)


Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph (John 6:42)


Acts 7:25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood (but was wrong)


Luke 2:44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company (but were wrong)


John 20:15 She, supposing him to be the gardener (but was wrong)


Acts 14:19.... having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead. (but were wrong)


Acts 27:13 And when the south wind blew softly, supposing that they had obtained their purpose. (but were wrong)

Most of the supposings in the scripture end up showing us that they supposed wrongly

Shows certain can be destitute of the truth "supposing" certain things also

1Titus 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[rturner76]

I would use their preferred pronouns if that's how they see themselves. What is the point in protesting what they call themselves/ it just make one look bigoted nd small minded

 

[Fireinfolding]

I would use their preferred pronouns if that's how they see themselves. What is the point in protesting what they call themselves/ it just make one look bigoted nd small minded

Ever see this? I don't think she appears bigoted or small minded in the explantion of her stance on this at all, I think its well done.

Megyn Kelly Explains Why She Will No Longer Use "Preferred Pronouns" as Trans Ideology Grows​

 

[tonychanyt]

Do you think assuming and believing are the same?

No.

 

[rturner76]

Ever see this? I don't think she appears bigoted or small minded in the explantion of her stance on this at all, I think its well done.

Megyn Kelly Explains Why She Will No Longer Use "Preferred Pronouns" as Trans Ideology Grows​

I think she is going into more issues than simply using preferred pronouns. I think preferred pronouns are more benign than the issues of athletics and children having surgery.

 

[RileyG]

I personally do not care what someone's pronouns are. If they are male, he, if female, she. Period.

 

[rturner76]

I personally do not care what someone's pronouns are. If they are male, he, if female, she. Period.

I think in the trans community they differentiate between male/female and man/woman. Man/woman is what they believe is more of a social construct while male/female is more biological. Question: if someone changed their name, would you continue to call them by their old name? Another question: does it make you feel good or proud to reject someone's preferred pronoun? Has this ever needed to be applied IRL?

 

[Fireinfolding]

I think in the trans community they differentiate between male/female and man/woman. Man/woman is what they believe is more of a social construct while male/female is more biological. Question: if someone changed their name, would you continue to call them by their old name? Another question: does it make you feel good or proud to reject someone's preferred pronoun? Has this ever needed to be applied IRL?

Taken from ... An (incomplete) list of gender pronouns

More and more demands

Avoid Phrases Like ‘Preferred Pronouns’​

You may have heard the term “preferred pronouns” in reference to gender pronouns. While this is fairly common, many in the trans and non-binary community try to avoid this language, as it suggests that their correct pronouns are merely a preference or a suggestion. Instead, try using words like “personal pronouns” or, simply, “pronouns”.

So how does it make you feel that you yourself have rejected avoiding the phrase "preferred pronoun"?

I wouldn't put that false guilt upon you. Its all manipulation and that would make me a useful tool in the whole delusion.

Back in the days of less crazy, trans (or one who had gender identity dysphoria) was considered mentally ill. I don't see how reinforcing what is no longer to be considered "preferred" but rather correct is something to feel good about.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Gender is complicated. We don't even have to bring up the transgender thing to acknowledge this.

There are a lot of people who were literally born different. A person born, for example, with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) is genetically male, they have an X and a Y chromosome. However they do not develop male, but rather female. Without looking at the person's DNA it would be almost impossible to tell that they were genetically male rather than female. They are born with a vagina, during purberty they develop breasts. The thing is that they can't become pregnant, because they lack ovaries. So such a person is born, and they live their entire lives as women, often never knowing they were genetically male.

That's just an example. But it does show that gender is complicated. Because their biological sex is male (they have an X and a Y chromosome), but they look female, they have always been female as far as they and everyone else around them knows. And they could go their whole lives never knowing differently.

Is a person with AIS a he or a she? Do we go with their biological sex (male) or their presenting gender (female)?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Aldebaran]

Taken from ... An (incomplete) list of gender pronouns

More and more demands

Avoid Phrases Like ‘Preferred Pronouns’​

You may have heard the term “preferred pronouns” in reference to gender pronouns. While this is fairly common, many in the trans and non-binary community try to avoid this language, as it suggests that their correct pronouns are merely a preference or a suggestion. Instead, try using words like “personal pronouns” or, simply, “pronouns”.

So how does it make you feel that you yourself have rejected avoiding the phrase "preferred pronoun"?

I wouldn't put that false guilt upon you. Its all manipulation and that would make me a useful tool in the whole delusion.

Back in the days of less crazy, trans (or one who had gender identity dysphoria) was considered mentally ill. I don't see how reinforcing what is no longer to be considered "preferred" but rather correct is something to feel good about.

Good points!
It's not always beneficial to affirm what someone incorrectly believes about their "gender" or anything else. For example, if a person thought they were fat, and do everything they can to lose weight, and they only weigh 90 lbs. even though they're 25 years old, and are severely malnourished, should we affirm their "body identity" as a fat person who needs to lose weight? Should we refer to them as trans-fat?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Gender is complicated. We don't even have to bring up the transgender thing to acknowledge this.

There are a lot of people who were literally born different. A person born, for example, with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) is genetically male, they have an X and a Y chromosome. However they do not develop male, but rather female. Without looking at the person's DNA it would be almost impossible to tell that they were genetically male rather than female. They are born with a vagina, during purberty they develop breasts. The thing is that they can't become pregnant, because they lack ovaries. So such a person is born, and they live their entire lives as women, often never knowing they were genetically male.

That's just an example. But it does show that gender is complicated. Because their biological sex is male (they have an X and a Y chromosome), but they look female, they have always been female as far as they and everyone else around them knows. And they could go their whole lives never knowing differently.

Is a person with AIS a he or a she? Do we go with their biological sex (male) or their presenting gender (female)?

-CryptoLutheran

I don't believe the epidemic of crazy happening today is in any way related to some rare deformity.

81 Types Of Genders & Gender Identities taken from 81 Types of Genders & Gender Identities (A to Z List)

Seems less complicated and more crazy

 

[Fireinfolding]

Good points!
It's not always beneficial to affirm what someone incorrectly believes about their "gender" or anything else. For example, if a person thought they were fat, and do everything they can to lose weight, and they only weigh 90 lbs. even though they're 25 years old, and are severely malnourished, should we affirm their "body identity" as a fat person who needs to lose weight? Should we refer to them as trans-fat?

lol, Hey Aldebaran, long time no see (2BeholdHisGlory) changed back to my old username. Look at chu, now staff, I would have never thunked it.

Can you imagine if your son identified as superman and you had to affirm his imagination? And the only way prescribed for you to affirm him was that you needed to take him up to the roof of your home (with his little blankey cape on) and encourage him to jump. If you were just as deluded you might push him off with great anticipation

 

[Aldebaran]

lol, Hey Aldebaran, long time no see (2BeholdHisGlory) changed back to my old username. Look at chu, now staff, I would have never thunked it.

I thought I recognized your username before!

Can you imagine if your son identified as superman and you had to affirm his imagination? And the only way prescribed for you to affirm him was that you needed to take him up to the roof of your home (with his little blankey cape on) and encourage him to jump. If you were just as deluded you might push him off with great anticipation

That's basically what parents are being forced to do, lest they be labeled as "abusers". Except they don't force them to push their children off rooftops (yet). Only to allow them to get surgically mutilated for life. Rooftops won't be far behind.

 

[tonychanyt]

Is a person with AIS a he or a she? Do we go with their biological sex (male) or their presenting gender (female)?

For the purpose of personal communication, I'd go with whatever he/she prefers.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Here is my problem with it all. I think I will try but fail all too often. I don't want to disrespect any persons but, it simply becomes a lot to remember. We all have our social bubble of intimates, those people we interact with frequently and know well. It may be quite easy to keep pronoun preferences straight for those folks, because there are fewer of them and we know them well. Then we have a wider bubble of folks we know more casually and see less often. There are more people in this bubble than the other one. I have trouble recalling their names sometimes so I doubt I can keep track of all of their pronoun preferences. For that reason, in this new pronoun-conscious world, I think it is simpler for me to refer to persons by their name, not their pronouns. I at least have a chance of remembering names.