Should I Literally Believe in Noah's Ark?

[CounselorForChrist]

How do you as a Christian not believe in the Bible? Or do you I am confused...

Exactly. If we are to believe it without question because its the Word of God, then how can someone ask the questions they do!

 

[CounselorForChrist]

Better question is it literally illiterate to illiterately literate literally while the illiterates are illiterately literating? Literally?!?

::runs out of topic::

 

[jpcedotal]

Should I Literally Believe in Noah's Ark?

Only if you literally believe in God

 

[Fireinfolding]

I literally believe in Sarah and Hagar too, even though when expounded upon can be understood allegorically.

Like the days of Noah are shown as a figure too

1Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Aibrean]

In regards to infallibility - we aren't discussing whether it is/isn't infallible. We are discussing whether it should be taken literally. There are parts of the Bible that are most definitely allegorical/metaphorical/symbolic (i.e. Revelations).

As for me, in that part of the Bible, I'm inclined to believe it happened as it said it happened.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I would say the same, though the apostles seem to say the Holy Ghost teaches by way of comparing spiritual things with spiritual, and show the law having a shadow, figures, similitudes and likenesses as expressed by the apostles. Not to mention the way God said he spake by the prophets

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Like Adam a figure of him who was to come, or the allegorical spiritual interpretaion of Sarah and Hagar and all the rest. For example, one might read the law and take only what it can naturally know, verses what could possibly be more rightly discerned by the Spirit figuritively. Would that make the nature by which something is understood less true if by the Spirit verses by our fleshly mind?

Sorta like the law having "a shadow of" something, or being like figures after a particular patern, even as God said to Moses make it after the patern shown you on the mount. So something was to be made after a specific patern from which something else could be derived. Figures of the true. The law having a shadow of the things to come but not the very image of things, in that sense. The Holy Ghost "signifying something" using one thing "made like" to act as a pointer (of some sort) to the true.

That sorta thing

 

[Pal Handy]

Like the days of Noah are shown as a figure too

Jesus names Noah and said that he entered the ark so how is that a figure, how is that an allegory when Jesus names Noah and points to a time (the days of Noah) Noah lived as an example of the wickedness that would be rampant on the earth before Christ returns.

Jesus also states that there was a flood as He tells us of the days
leading up to the sudden destruction of those who scoffed at Noah
and his warnings to repent and turn to God.

Jesus can not be a liar, lunatic and Son of God all at once.

If Jesus lied then He can not be the Son of God.
If Jesus was insane then He was not the Son of God.

IF JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD THEN HE CANNOT LIE SO WHEN HE SAYS
THERE WAS A FLOOD AND A PERSON NAMED NOAH WAS SAVED BY
GOING INTO AN ARK THAT GOD HAD COMMANDED HIM TO BUILD,
THEN JESUS CHRIST IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND ALL OTHERS WHO DISAGREE ARE NOT.

Matthew 24:37
JESUS SPEAKING:
But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,

 

[day time]

Better question is it literally illiterate to illiterately literate literally while the illiterates are illiterately literating? Literally?!?

::runs out of topic::

You're littering

 

[SonOfTheWest]

They are allegorical representations of theological concepts. Science has disproved the flood and literal creation story for hundreds of years now.

I would go with this. Not believing in a literal Noah flood does not harm your Christian walk.

 

[Pal Handy]

They are allegorical representations of theological concepts. Science has disproved the flood and literal creation story for hundreds of years now.

Origins - The Worldwide Flood - Geologic Evidences - Pt 1 with Dr. Andrew Snelling - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMSSwoJFq-8

 

[Fireinfolding]

Jesus names Noah and said that he entered the ark so how is that a figure, how is that an allegory when Jesus names Noah and points to a time (the days of Noah) Noah lived as an example of the wickedness that would be rampant on the earth before Christ returns.

Jesus also states that there was a flood as He tells us of the days
leading up to the sudden destruction of those who scoffed at Noah
and his warnings to repent and turn to God.

Jesus can not be a liar, lunatic and Son of God all at once.

If Jesus lied then He can not be the Son of God.
If Jesus was insane then He was not the Son of God.

IF JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD THEN HE CANNOT LIE SO WHEN HE SAYS
THERE WAS A FLOOD AND A PERSON NAMED NOAH WAS SAVED BY
GOING INTO AN ARK THAT GOD HAD COMMANDED HIM TO BUILD,
THEN JESUS CHRIST IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND ALL OTHERS WHO DISAGREE ARE NOT.

Matthew 24:37
JESUS SPEAKING:
But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,

No one is calling Jesus a liar, Im not saying those things are not so, just like Sarah and Hagar are just as real, the Holy Ghost would lead them into all truth even as Jesus said, and the apostles said He teaches comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

An athiest can read the natural things in scripture and repeat them as any natural man can. Theres a measure of seeing and seeing not things going on as well.

Likewise the natural man can only receive that which it knows naturally too, the things discerned by the Spirit are foolishness to him. So likewise can someone desire to be a teacher of the law not knowing what they are "confidently" confirming too.

Jesus spake in parables of hidden things of old and God said he spake by the prophets multiplying visions and saif he too used similitudes, so if the Holy Ghost would lead them into the truth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual (between them) makes sense.

Folks can build boats if they want to, Noah built one, folks are building places underground, and we know those in the holes and dens of the earth will be safe too right?

Seems water might coming, or no...? Is it by the same word fire?

 

[znr]

I usually wont converse with someone with an obviously larger vocabulary then me because its too much work to sit with a dictionary to their mouth (as I always say).

I dont get a headache but I can sure relate on a certain level

That was cute lol

If I had really felt condescended to I would have straight up just said something.

 

[znr]

Why not just take it slow? Check out the time on my post, for one, and see if it's about bed time for the "old dude," kick back and let your imagination run until all that extra blood in your brain settles back down, allowing the blood vessels to contract again, so the migraine goes away. Then when I return, like this, in the morning, I can simply explain that a hypotrochoid is a geometric pattern that resembles the petals on a daisy.

Imagine your kitty sitting on the edge of a merry-go-round, only the merry-go-round has its center mounted on a train traveling in a circle. Your kitty goes round and round, but the train makes it go in and out as well, so, if we had your kitty holding a pencil in its mouth, it would draw a daisy for all the UFO people and helicopter passengers to see.

All those cats riding hypotrochoids...that's such a beautiful image that I could get stuck on that thought alone, alone, on that thought alone. Alone.

Alone

"From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were; I have not seen
As others saw ..."

My Dad, rest his soul, was a master carpenter, but he also studied engineering at Notre Dame. Without his handed down skills, I'd never have been able to design one of those pods, let alone build one. My Mother, like her father, was an artist. Without her handed down skills, I'd never have been able to paint your portrait or a scene while sitting in a park. I'll upload a few more pics... for fun this time.

Upload away.

Now how could I imagine that she gets migraines? How else would she be able to admit that she was getting one and how else would I have been able to offer some "Christian Advice" about migraines so she can take all this in better?

I should have added a wink to the end of the heacache comment to let you know I'm being playful. In a sense I guess I was getting one, but not in the physical sense.

All those cats, riding hypotrochoids ...

 

[Jase]

In regards to infallibility - we aren't discussing whether it is/isn't infallible. We are discussing whether it should be taken literally. There are parts of the Bible that are most definitely allegorical/metaphorical/symbolic (i.e. Revelations).

As for me, in that part of the Bible, I'm inclined to believe it happened as it said it happened.

Despite every piece of evidence on this planet saying a global flood did not occur?

God would literally have to invoke about a million different miracles to erase the evidence, and prevent the total liquification of the Earth in order for the current world to exist.

Occam's Razor: All things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one.

Either Genesis is allegorical based in local flood myths, or God invoked millions of miracles with the most elaborate deception and hoax in universal history, just so he can write down that 8 people bobbed around the ocean in a giant unseaworthy boat to avoid destruction because zapping humanity out of existence was apparently too much of a challenge for God.

I'm going to go with allegory as the simplest explanation and therefore the right one.

 

[Pal Handy]

Despite every piece of evidence on this planet saying a global flood did not occur?

The Messiah taught that there was a great flood that wiped out
mankind and that a man Noah escaped with his family and
the animals that God sent to him in an ark...

This settles it for me because Jesus Christ is God with man
and so He is the one I choose to believe over you and anyone else....

It is a matter of trust and Jesus is the one I choose to trust over
men with an agenda to interpret evidence to suit their own beliefs.

 

[Bella Vita]

I would go with this. Not believing in a literal Noah flood does not harm your Christian walk.

It most definitely can and will!!! You can not fully have faith and knowledge of God's power and sovereignty if you do not believe in the miracles and events that God himself performed.

 

[like eagleswings]

Hello

This is my first post.

As a new Christian, should I literally believe in Noah's Ark and other biblical teachings such as the Story of Creation? Or could I see them as representative of moral truths? or what? Really confused. Thanks for any help.

welcome brother,noahs ark is true,it happened ,noah a man of great faith, it took him 100 years to build . today even the shipbuilders say it was the perfect ship for chopy seas.

 

[SonOfTheWest]

Why make such a gross anamoly? Some monkeys could do that using ASL. (One's name is Lucy.) My dog, Reboot, was reading this over my shoulder and just gave you the paw...


The fact is some Biblical literists sometimes err, and some actually do lie to their spouses about where they've been then make public apologies, but Biblical non-literists almost always err and when confronted with all the correct reasoning and expanded history of Biblical verses, they side step the real issues, fail in giving realistic answers or answers at all, resort to slurs and defamation of the truth bearers and in general find any possible excuse to remain in denial. I'm not certain which is worse.

It most definitely can and will!!! You can not fully have faith and knowledge of God's power and sovereignty if you do not believe in the miracles and events that God himself performed.

Apparently the gifts that God gave man to understand his creation indicate that it did not happen. Why are you calling God a liar?

 

[Fireinfolding]

One can see figures in things that have happened

This section shows Christ here as the apostles show in acts of him

Isaiah 54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

Here likewise but of the resurrection (verses his death on a cross)

1Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

One, can be taken as a factual history the other can be drawn from to see something outside of itself depending on what the context sets and one can fill in between as scripture allows and even better as the apostles guide us.

For example mans days were numbered 120 years before the flood, that was his years, the figure of baptism (and the Jordan) can be seen before Moses who died in those exact years, Peter shows a figure, Moses stands before it that years are equal too, so theres alot that can be seen there and drawn upon besides just the factual account. Because if you just follow out Sarah and Hagar as two women (literally so) you can miss the greater truth of what they represent, which are the two covenants.

I think thats where the fighting begins most often (not in the literal) but putting more weight on the spiritual, because once the first foundation is laid (so to speak) others springboard off it catching the greater significance where it might apply and folks think you dont take the bible as true, but it can be more the way you compare that might be the problem, letting some things go (but not really at the same time) but moving forward through them differently maybe.

Not sure if I worded that right or not, hard to word what I mean, but if someone would ask me, do you believe the literal words of God, I say yes but they can be understood for us in an allegorical sense too. Its best to just say it that way (in all things) even though the apostles might more boldly point out (in two things) Which things ARE an allegory...

Else you be explaining yourself till the cows come home

Best say both because you cannot pull from one without the other

 

[znr]

God was the first. By that I mean He is the oldest, most advanced being in the universe. He is everywhere at once either because He wanted to be or because that's how the universe cast Him into existence. When His creations have all decayed into primary particles again, He will still exist; the last. He'll start all over.

Are you saying that you believe the universe created God?