Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

[miknik5]

Scripture also is very specific about the 5 wise virgins with oil and their wicks trimmed waiting vs the 5 unwise who already burnt up their oil. So, I disagree with your assessment since what I generally post comes from Yeshua (God in human form). And we can never go wrong following God's wisdom and advice!!

Why do you need to put in parenthesis (God in human form)

The scripture is clear though we knew Him according to the flesh, we no longer do (2 Corinthians 5)

 

[Righttruth]

I believe it matters very much to us in Christ. The main reason being is the BRIDE will be here for the entire Tribulation.

These scripture references come from the very mouth of God in human form, Yeshua, explaining He will come for the Elect after the end of Tribulation, how He will shorten the days because torment and suffering will be unthinkable, and we the ELECT will know He is coming soon when the sun and moon darkens like blood."

These are scripture references I added to this very thread on page 22 that I am copying/pasting for you to show the words of God. And when you read these scripture references, you will understand the sooner the TEMPLE is built and the antichrist is revealed, the closer we are to actually being raptured!!tthew 24:29-31 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30) and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Verse 29 is when the Tribulation ends:
verse 30 is the return of Yeshua
verse 31 Yeshua gathers his "ELECT"

This is clear we will suffer through the Tribulation before we get raptured.

Matthew 24:21-22 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be. (22) And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Verse 21 is the Great Tribulation
verse 22 is the days will be shortened for the ELECT's sake

(We will be in the Tribulation and God will shorten the days so we do not suffer as much).


Matthew 24:29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.

Verse 29 when Tribulation ends the sun will darken
verse 20 is about the sun darkening BEFORE Christ returns

Obvious verse of Tribulation (7 years), then sun darkens, and then Christ returns.

The Gospels of Luke and Mark also claim same thing:

Rebuilding of the temple is nothing to do with the return of Christ. The 'elect' are the believers of Christ, not unbelieving Jews.

 

[servantofiam]

You’re right...they won’t listen
Rather, any Christian trying to instruct their older Jewish brother with regards to the building of the temple will be viewed as obstacles and troublers that need to be.....removed

Did you consider the number of Christians martyred during this time?

But ultimately, God will call out those who belong to Him and He already knows those who belong to Him

He will open their eyes and they will look upon the One whom
they have pierced and they will understand

The earthly temple and the Antichrist are not the things that will reveal to them the Truth of the Gospel.

God will

Just as it is written in Joel

Maybe if I explain my position on this, it will give better insight in a way you will see I am not disagreeing with the majority of what you post and am actually in the same line of thinking as you.

When I claim we as believers should encourage Israel to rebuild their Temple, I do not mean in a way we verbalize it to them. At this very moment, they have a red heifer and are just waiting for the time period to pass to recheck that heifer to see if it is perfect or not. If it is, the Jews see it as a sign from their "coming Messiah" which includes the beginning process of actually rebuilding their Temple. According to Israel newspapers, they have their High Priest who will begin the process of sacrificing like we read throughout the Old Testament. They also claim to have every piece of the Temple to exact scale already made and within 2 weeks can have the entire Temple completed. They are possibly just literal days away from either removing the Muslim Dome now sitting where the original Temple stood, or building a divider wall that would separate the Dome from the Temple.

So basically, not a single believer in Christ could do anything to speed up or slow down what is about to happen. But having the knowledge that we are this close to this rebuild becoming a reality, should put a fire in believers to welcome it and be prepared for what else we know is to come. Once the Temple is rebuilt, we are literally 3 1/2 years from when the antichrist is revealed from offering ungodly sacrifice in the Temple. Obviously as believers in Christ, we will know the antichrist ASAP.

Since we are on the verge of this finally fulfilling scripture, we believers should welcome it with open arms. It literally is bringing us within at least 7 years from the Second Coming of our Lord and Savior, Yeshua. If a believer cannot be excited about that, they need an infilling of the Holy Spirit ASAP!!

 

[servantofiam]

That's okay that you don’t agree with me.

I already know that a virgin who is waiting for their beloved would have their lamps lit

Any virgin who has to, at the last hour, prepare themselves, already reveals the attitude of their heart

I also am instructed by God and I don’t change what i have originally been given to understand

I don’t add to it, alter it, or take away from what I have been given
To understand from the very first moment He revealed it to me

Amen, and I honor your stance. But you have been missing my entire point, and I realize it's from how I have delivered it. None of what I am stating is about pushing things before it is God's timing. As a farmer, I completely understand you won't get anywhere when you put the cart before the horses to pull it.

I just know where Israel is at on these issues at this very moment. And I know it's a good thing if they choose to move forward. I know how this ends. I know I am on the winning side of it. I am just elated that it could be happening any day now!!

 

[servantofiam]

Why do you need to put in parenthesis (God in human form)

The scripture is clear though we knew Him according to the flesh, we no longer do (2 Corinthians 5)

There are people here who do not believe our God. This site is interesting that it has a section for pagans, atheists, etc. I also know that an atheist could read any part of this site whether they can participate or not. So, I make sure when I discuss Yeshua, it's clear who I am referencing to!!

 

[servantofiam]

Rebuilding of the temple is nothing to do with the return of Christ. The 'elect' are the believers of Christ, not unbelieving Jews.

Actually it does have a lot to do with knowing when Yeshua returns. The scriptures I provided on page 22 and 23 reveals from Yeshua Himself that He returns for His Bride/Elect AFTER the Tribulation is over.

We know from Daniel and Revelation's, that at the 3 1/2 year mark of the Tribulation is when the antichrist offers ungodly sacrifice and the Jews discover he is not their Messiah after all.

Therefore, we can put a time configuration on the rebuild and have a general idea where we are at in the Tribulation period, when the 3 1/2 year mark is at, and since at the end of the Tribulation the sun will grow dark and the moon as blood, gives us a greater indication when we will be raptured. Yes, no man knows the time and day...but scripture gives us enough clues that when Tribulation actually begins, we can be positive in having a good idea when our Lord and Savior is coming for us!!

 

[miknik5]

Maybe if I explain my position on this, it will give better insight in a way you will see I am not disagreeing with the majority of what you post and am actually in the same line of thinking as you.

When I claim we as believers should encourage Israel to rebuild their Temple, I do not mean in a way we verbalize it to them. At this very moment, they have a red heifer and are just waiting for the time period to pass to recheck that heifer to see if it is perfect or not. If it is, the Jews see it as a sign from their "coming Messiah" which includes the beginning process of actually rebuilding their Temple. According to Israel newspapers, they have their High Priest who will begin the process of sacrificing like we read throughout the Old Testament. They also claim to have every piece of the Temple to exact scale already made and within 2 weeks can have the entire Temple completed. They are possibly just literal days away from either removing the Muslim Dome now sitting where the original Temple stood, or building a divider wall that would separate the Dome from the Temple.

So basically, not a single believer in Christ could do anything to speed up or slow down what is about to happen. But having the knowledge that we are this close to this rebuild becoming a reality, should put a fire in believers to welcome it and be prepared for what else we know is to come. Once the Temple is rebuilt, we are literally 3 1/2 years from when the antichrist is revealed from offering ungodly sacrifice in the Temple. Obviously as believers in Christ, we will know the antichrist ASAP.

Since we are on the verge of this finally fulfilling scripture, we believers should welcome it with open arms. It literally is bringing us within at least 7 years from the Second Coming of our Lord and Savior, Yeshua. If a believer cannot be excited about that, they need an infilling of the Holy Spirit ASAP!!

No. Your insight does not take into account Haggai 2 and these who believe they have every....physical thing in place are actually rejecting the truth of the Word of God according to Haggai 2

These things would cause any believer to feel sorrow and fear for their older Jewish brother.

Not excitement

 

[Righttruth]

Actually it does have a lot to do with knowing when Yeshua returns. The scriptures I provided on page 22 and 23 reveals from Yeshua Himself that He returns for His Bride/Elect AFTER the Tribulation is over.

We know from Daniel and Revelation's, that at the 3 1/2 year mark of the Tribulation is when the antichrist offers ungodly sacrifice and the Jews discover he is not their Messiah after all.

Therefore, we can put a time configuration on the rebuild and have a general idea where we are at in the Tribulation period, when the 3 1/2 year mark is at, and since at the end of the Tribulation the sun will grow dark and the moon as blood, gives us a greater indication when we will be raptured. Yes, no man knows the time and day...but scripture gives us enough clues that when Tribulation actually begins, we can be positive in having a good idea when our Lord and Savior is coming for us!!

As I said before, return of Christ is not related to temple building

 

[servantofiam]

No. Your insight does not take into account Haggai 2 and these who believe they have every....physical thing in place are actually rejecting the truth of the Word of God according to Haggai 2

These things would cause any believer to feel sorrow and fear for their older Jewish brother.

Not excitement

I accept your position on this, but a walk in God is a selfish thing. What I mean by that, if my family rejects my path, the world rejects my path, anyone rejects my path in God I am not giving up my path for any of them. If I lose family, friends, whomever, I am not rejecting my path in God. If my Jewish brothers/sisters reject the truth, I am not giving up my path over it.

NOW, I do introduce God to those I meet. I do help anyone I am capable of helping in hopes it does lead to them wanting to know more about God. But, I am not bending or giving one single inch to anyone of them that causes me to step backwards in my faith. And I know what this Temple means. I know what it means in my own walk in God. I know what it means according to the warnings given unto us from Yeshua Himself. And for that much, I am elated it could happen any day now!!


The Jews and this world have been WARNED!! They know about the Gospel and have REJECTED IT. They have made their choices in this specific matter. All I can do is still offer God to them. Since they reject God, it's like spilt salt, it's a done deal. And now only God can change them and they have rejected Him already. Now it is all about seeing my path to the finish line!!

 

[servantofiam]

As I said before, return of Christ is not related to temple building

I am not claiming that it is. I am claiming we can know better where we are in relationship to His return from the Temple. But you can be stubborn all you like. All you are doing is rejecting the WORDS of God who gave us clues to when He is going to return. Maybe you like being clueless, I personally do not!!

 

[miknik5]

I accept your position on this, but a walk in God is a selfish thing. What I mean by that, if my family rejects my path, the world rejects my path, anyone rejects my path in God I am not giving up my path for any of them. If I lose family, friends, whomever, I am not rejecting my path in God. If my Jewish brothers/sisters reject the truth, I am not giving up my path over it.

NOW, I do introduce God to those I meet. I do help anyone I am capable of helping in hopes it does lead to them wanting to know more about God. But, I am not bending or giving one single inch to anyone of them that causes me to step backwards in my faith. And I know what this Temple means. I know what it means in my own walk in God. I know what it means according to the warnings given unto us from Yeshua Himself. And for that much, I am elated it could happen any day now!!


The Jews and this world have been WARNED!! They know about the Gospel and have REJECTED IT. They have made their choices in this specific matter. All I can do is still offer God to them. Since they reject God, it's like spilt salt, it's a done deal. And now only God can change them and they have rejected Him already. Now it is all about seeing my path to the finish line!!

Remember. Mercy covers over a multitude of sins. Remember to cover your brothers sins. and to pray for them.

Whatever measure is used, it will be measured to you...judgement without mercy is what we will receive as well

Be merciful and love your enemy
And pray for them

Who can take the Truth from you? Do you need to fight your family on the matter or just accept their bantering and still pray for them

 

[Lost4words]

Jesus was the 3rd Temple. He was killed but rose again in 3 days. The supreme sacrifice.

 

[Righttruth]

I am not claiming that it is. I am claiming we can know better where we are in relationship to His return from the Temple. But you can be stubborn all you like. All you are doing is rejecting the WORDS of God who gave us clues to when He is going to return. Maybe you like being clueless, I personally do not!!

So are you wiser than Jesus who said that He doesn't know when He is going to return? You are not qualified to interpret for convenience with bias

 

[servantofiam]

Remember. Mercy covers over a multitude of sins. Remember to cover your brothers sins. and to pray for them.

Whatever measure is used, it will be measured to you...judgement without mercy is what we will receive as well

Be merciful and love your enemy
And pray for them

Who can take the Truth from you? Do you need to fight your family on the matter or just accept their bantering and still pray for them

Indeed, and Amen!!

However, before we ever read Genesis 1:2 where the Spirit of God is hovering over the chaotic world underneath water and the command "Let there be light" was given, we were already predestined whether we were a part of the Book of Life or not.

And I know I am saved without a shadow of any doubt, therefore, I am willing to lay my life down for anyone who will accept Christ. Christ told us the world hated Him first and it shall also hate us. The world killed Christ and it could very well kill us. But fortunately, the Jews will have their final chance to accept Yeshua. And that is with or without our fervent prayers for them. This is why Paul taught Grace while Peter taught accountability. The Jews did state to let the Blood of Yeshua be upon them. And as we know, that spiritually was held against them for generations. And we see how the Jews have suffered over it. This is why God called them a "stubborn and stiff necked people."

With exception to the Messianic Jews, the Law abiding Jews deny Christ daily and recrucify Him every chance they get. But the generosity of God is abundant through His Mercy. And 1/3 of the Jews will be saved!! Revelation's 12 explains it all.

Don't think I am not hoping and praying for their salvation. Don't think I have given up on them. Don't think I do not support the Jewish cause. But knowing they are possibly days away from deciding to rebuild their Temple, knowing they have started animal sacrifice again, knowing they revived the Mosaic Law, knowing they have an official High Priest, knowing the red heifer is finally in play which is according to their Torah, knowing they have every replica piece of the Temple built and just need to put it all together, and knowing how our own world is becoming with Trump in charge, it leads to Revelation chapter 12 and to where 1/3 of the Jews will be saved.

Praying and hoping is our very lifeline, expecting miracles are what we demand of God, but discernment and common sense leads us to reason. And we are at that point, or very close to it, where God has his mind made up concerning the Jews. And we should be preparing for something the majority of believers have never experienced before, spiritual warfare. If we thought Job suffered and the martyrs had it rough, they had it easy compared to when God allows the Adversary to be unleashed upon all of us for 7 years. Us Americans have never witnessed nor suffered true persecution for believing in God. God is dealing with the Jews!! They will accept the spawn of Satan as their own Messiah. God has purposely blinded the Jews just for the Tribulation. And that is sadly the facts!!

 

[servantofiam]

So are you wiser than Jesus who said that He doesn't know when He is going to return? You are not qualified to interpret for convenience with bias

He absolutely did know that He would return AFTER the end of Tribulation and when the sun becomes dark and the moon as blood. He said so!! And if you wish to argue that then be my guest. But I am qualified to accept His own words and the clues He gave unto us, and to believe in them, whether you or anyone else does or does not.

 

[Righttruth]

He absolutely did know that He would return AFTER the end of Tribulation and when the sun becomes dark and the moon as blood. He said so!! And if you wish to argue that then be my guest. But I am qualified to accept His own words and the clues He gave unto us, and to believe in them, whether you or anyone else does or does not.

Who will decide the severity of tribulation since it has happened several times before?

 

[miknik5]

Indeed, and Amen!!

However, before we ever read Genesis 1:2 where the Spirit of God is hovering over the chaotic world underneath water and the command "Let there be light" was given, we were already predestined whether we were a part of the Book of Life or not.

And I know I am saved without a shadow of any doubt, therefore, I am willing to lay my life down for anyone who will accept Christ. Christ told us the world hated Him first and it shall also hate us. The world killed Christ and it could very well kill us. But fortunately, the Jews will have their final chance to accept Yeshua. And that is with or without our fervent prayers for them. This is why Paul taught Grace while Peter taught accountability. The Jews did state to let the Blood of Yeshua be upon them. And as we know, that spiritually was held against them for generations. And we see how the Jews have suffered over it. This is why God called them a "stubborn and stiff necked people."

With exception to the Messianic Jews, the Law abiding Jews deny Christ daily and recrucify Him every chance they get. But the generosity of God is abundant through His Mercy. And 1/3 of the Jews will be saved!! Revelation's 12 explains it all.

Don't think I am not hoping and praying for their salvation. Don't think I have given up on them. Don't think I do not support the Jewish cause. But knowing they are possibly days away from deciding to rebuild their Temple, knowing they have started animal sacrifice again, knowing they revived the Mosaic Law, knowing they have an official High Priest, knowing the red heifer is finally in play which is according to their Torah, knowing they have every replica piece of the Temple built and just need to put it all together, and knowing how our own world is becoming with Trump in charge, it leads to Revelation chapter 12 and to where 1/3 of the Jews will be saved.

Praying and hoping is our very lifeline, expecting miracles are what we demand of God, but discernment and common sense leads us to reason. And we are at that point, or very close to it, where God has his mind made up concerning the Jews. And we should be preparing for something the majority of believers have never experienced before, spiritual warfare. If we thought Job suffered and the martyrs had it rough, they had it easy compared to when God allows the Adversary to be unleashed upon all of us for 7 years. Us Americans have never witnessed nor suffered true persecution for believing in God. God is dealing with the Jews!! They will accept the spawn of Satan as their own Messiah. God has purposely blinded the Jews just for the Tribulation. And that is sadly the facts!!

Wait! Are you confident that in the crowd before Christ’s trial, there were only Jews who declared let His blood be upon us and our children?

 

[miknik5]

Indeed, and Amen!!

However, before we ever read Genesis 1:2 where the Spirit of God is hovering over the chaotic world underneath water and the command "Let there be light" was given, we were already predestined whether we were a part of the Book of Life or not.

And I know I am saved without a shadow of any doubt, therefore, I am willing to lay my life down for anyone who will accept Christ. Christ told us the world hated Him first and it shall also hate us. The world killed Christ and it could very well kill us. But fortunately, the Jews will have their final chance to accept Yeshua. And that is with or without our fervent prayers for them. This is why Paul taught Grace while Peter taught accountability. The Jews did state to let the Blood of Yeshua be upon them. And as we know, that spiritually was held against them for generations. And we see how the Jews have suffered over it. This is why God called them a "stubborn and stiff necked people."

With exception to the Messianic Jews, the Law abiding Jews deny Christ daily and recrucify Him every chance they get. But the generosity of God is abundant through His Mercy. And 1/3 of the Jews will be saved!! Revelation's 12 explains it all.

Don't think I am not hoping and praying for their salvation. Don't think I have given up on them. Don't think I do not support the Jewish cause. But knowing they are possibly days away from deciding to rebuild their Temple, knowing they have started animal sacrifice again, knowing they revived the Mosaic Law, knowing they have an official High Priest, knowing the red heifer is finally in play which is according to their Torah, knowing they have every replica piece of the Temple built and just need to put it all together, and knowing how our own world is becoming with Trump in charge, it leads to Revelation chapter 12 and to where 1/3 of the Jews will be saved.

Praying and hoping is our very lifeline, expecting miracles are what we demand of God, but discernment and common sense leads us to reason. And we are at that point, or very close to it, where God has his mind made up concerning the Jews. And we should be preparing for something the majority of believers have never experienced before, spiritual warfare. If we thought Job suffered and the martyrs had it rough, they had it easy compared to when God allows the Adversary to be unleashed upon all of us for 7 years. Us Americans have never witnessed nor suffered true persecution for believing in God. God is dealing with the Jews!! They will accept the spawn of Satan as their own Messiah. God has purposely blinded the Jews just for the Tribulation. And that is sadly the facts!!

Spiritual warfare happens even now to all believers. There’s only one thing we come back to after that spiritual battle which will be our help in future battles. S d in fact, decreases the intensity of the battle.

I don’t believe we have to wait til the tribulation to experience spiritual warfare. In fact, going through trials and tribulations now is necessary for it teaches us perseverance and leads to holy “righteousness” and a mature faith directed in and on Christ alone

 

[miknik5]

Who will decide the severity of tribulation since it has happened several times before?

It will be a time like none other

So...,

 

[servantofiam]

Who will decide the severity of tribulation since it has happened several times before?

In the same passage of scriptures I provided by Yeshua letting us know when He shall return, He also explains this Tribulation will be like no other before and will be greater than ever. In Revelation's we see this is basically all of hell unleashed upon the earth which has never before happened. Those who take the Mark of the Beast will marvel at the powers of the antichrist, false prophet, and the demonic entities. They will believe this is the actual Yahweh, just like the Jews will see it as their Messiah.

So whatever happened before clearly isn't even a drop of water into the bucket compared to what is coming. And like everything, it will be our GOD who decides the severity!!