Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

[DennisTate]

I am amazed by this astonishingly well researched reply........

The Third Temple in Jerusalem will never be built. Because the prophecy of Ezekiel indicates a different place for the Messianic Temple. And the "temple" in which the Antichrist will appear is the "temple" mentioned by the apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:16.

When the elect will be gathered at the Messianic Temple built in the Judean Desert in accordance with the directions in the book of the prophet Ezekiel, then most of the Christians will be enemies of this Temple, and accordingly, they will be enemies of God and Jesus Christ in His Second Coming.

The Third Temple, described in the prophecy of Ezekiel, is completely different from the 1st or 2nd Temple. The location of the Third Temple can be defined simply enough if we follow the text of the prophecy.

When written "to the north" - this is not the north side, but the direction of motion in the process of measurement. If measurements of large lengths are indicated in the reeds, then where the units of measurement are not indicated, you should use the reeds, not the cubits. 1 reed is equal to 6 cubits, 1 cubit is 48 cm. The historical part of Jerusalem must be within the boundaries of the Holy allotment. You can not cross the border on the Jordan River.

The procedure for determining the exact location of the Third Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel is described here and here.

There, in the center of the Lord's land plot, in the center, at the intersection of diagonals, is the southern slope of a high mountain where there are springs. There are ruins of the altar of Abraham. This is the land of Moriah (do not confuse with the mountain of Moria in Chronicles!).

The entire space of 1484x1484 meters should be free from extraneous buildings, there should not be graves. This is one of the reasons why this Temple can not be built in Jerusalem.

The main architectural difference of the present Third Temple is the building that is expanding upwards.

As for the 14th chapter of Zechariah, there is described the allegorical spiritual picture of the devastation of churches by the spirit of Antichrist, only in some details this picture may correspond with the material world.

It is very difficult for me to understand why most Christians reject the possibility of animal sacrifices in the Messianic Temple, because the fulfillment of this prophecy does not oblige them to bring these sacrifices. In the prophecy of Ezekiel, except the Temple, the City is described, where there will be no rites, and there will be no power of money.

It is difficult for me to understand why Christians reject the Temple, which is not for them, but for turning to the faith of Jesus Christ of today's unbelieving Jews, and why Christians do not want to be in Yahweh Shammah City ???

Know that as long as the third, Messianic Temple according to the prophesy of Ezekiel is not built by the Jews, there will not be the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, nor the Yahweh Shammah City, nor will there be even the Antichrist, whose arrival you so expect. And the Jews will not return and will not be saved. There will be nothing, remember this.

 

[Copperhead]

I didn't answer the poll because what I think about it is not on the list of choices.

Personally, I think Christians should just stay out of it and just sit back and watch the goings on. I do believe a Temple will eventually be in place for the false Messiah to desecrate in the future, but it will get replaced by the Millennial Temple anyway, which actually is the Temple Ezekiel was referring to. And that is the one "living waters" will flow from. Not some Temple built prior to Yeshua ruling on the earth.

As for what many assume was the Temple mount may actually be the Antonia Fortress that was above the Temple. Here is a good video on this....

 

[DennisTate]

I didn't answer the poll because what I think about it is not on the list of choices.

Personally, I think Christians should just stay out of it and just sit back and watch the goings on. I do believe a Temple will eventually be in place for the false Messiah to desecrate in the future, but it will get replaced by the Millennial Temple anyway, which actually is the Temple Ezekiel was referring to. And that is the one "living waters" will flow from. Not some Temple built prior to Yeshua ruling on the earth.

As for what many assume was the Temple mount may actually be the Antonia Fortress that was above the Temple. Here is a good video on this....

Yes... the Fort Antonia theory would explain so many things............. but........ I want the feet of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to stand on the Mt. of Olives as soon as possible................. and I want that event more than I fear the anti-Christ guy......... because most Christians, most humans and most animals....... have a pretty rough life under the rulership of Satan.

 

[Copperhead]

Yes... the Fort Antonia theory would explain so many things............. but........ I want the feet of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to stand on the Mt. of Olives as soon as possible................. and I want that event more than I fear the anti-Christ guy......... because most Christians, most humans and most animals....... have a pretty rough life under the rulership of Satan.

Yeah, I am with ya. Just like John in Revelation 22:20..... I pray daily for Yeshua to come quickly.

 

[miknik5]

The third temple will be built in the holy city.

The holy city is Jerusalem

But it is not the temple we are looking to nor will it be the temple the unbelieving (turned to believing) Jews will be looking to

 

[miknik5]

this thread and the other thread “should messianic jews support the building of the third temple” are the same

Messianic jews and Christians are one and should have one mind if they belong to CHRIST JESUS

 

[DennisTate]

this thread and the other thread “should messianic jews support the building of the third temple” are the same

Messianic jews and Christians are one and should have one mind if they belong to CHRIST JESUS

True....... but at this time Christians who term themselves Messianic Jews or Messianic Gentiles do tend to be more somewhat more interested in the full fledged fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.

 

[miknik5]

True....... but at this time Christians who term themselves Messianic Jews or Messianic Gentiles do tend to be more somewhat more interested in the full fledged fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.

They are more interested in hastening the day?

Don’t they know the scriptures says woe to those who hasten the day? (Amos 5:18)

Our desire (just as the FATHER) is that ALL should come to repentance and the knowledge of THE TRUTH so that the knowledge of the LORD will cover the earth as the waters of the seas

 

[DennisTate]

They are more interested in hastening the day?

Don’t they know the scriptures says woe to those who hasten the day? (Amos 5:18)

Our desire (just as the FATHER) is that ALL should come to repentance and the knowledge of THE TRUTH so that the knowledge of the LORD will cover the earth as the waters of the seas

Good point.........
concentrating on leading people to repentance might be an even wiser course of action.

 

[miknik5]

Good point.........
concentrating on leading people to repentance might be an even wiser course of action.

Again. What do you stand on?

You don’t seem to have a firm stance and are willing to hear something more than what GOD has given us in HIS SON


You say : leading people to repentance might be a wiser course of action?

What did you think was meant by HIS COMMISSION or this ministry of reconciliation?

Did you think we were called to point to anyone but CHRIST?

 

[DennisTate]

Again. What do you stand on?

I believe that some of us have to concentrate on the basics of leading more people to salvation to get up to the full numbers of 144,000 plus the vast innumerable multitude as predicted in Revelation but some of the others of us........
can have a different calling in life......
and we can get involved in attempting to assist the Jewish people to rebuild the Jerusalem Third TEmple just as the SAnhedrin are hoping that President Donald J. Trump or President Putin may well do.

If either President TRump or President Putin were to support this measure... .I would be impressed by their courage..... I would pray for them to be given wisdom.... and I would get ready for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit because I would know that it is closer.

There is no contradiction whatsoever between the Books of Acts... and the Book of Ezekiel......

Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?

 

[miknik5]

I believe that some of us have to concentrate on the basics of leading more people to salvation to get up to the full numbers of 144,000 plus the vast innumerable multitude as predicted in Revelation but some of the others of us........
can have a different calling in life......
and we can get involved in attempting to assist the Jewish people to rebuild the Jerusalem Third TEmple just as the SAnhedrin are hoping that President Donald J. Trump or President Putin may well do.

If either President TRump or President Putin were to support this measure... .I would be impressed by their courage..... I would pray for them to be given wisdom.... and I would get ready for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit because I would know that it is closer.

There is no contradiction whatsoever between the Books of Acts... and the Book of Ezekiel......

Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?

You think we have to help GOD in numbering HIS people?????

Attempt to assist the jews in building the temple?????

No sir. Those who know the LORD and the TRUTH will not be pointing to JESUS and a temple.

They will be pointing to JESUS and explaining that HE alone is the HIGH PRIEST before GOD


Anyone who attempts to “assist” the Jews to build a temple is suggesting CHRIST and an addition to CHRIST


And that is a lie

 

[miknik5]

Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?

is that how you view the LORD’s anointing

This already indicates your own confusion and lack of understanding

 

[miknik5]

Here’s a question for you


Did you think HE would pour out HIS SPIRIT for any other reason than to turn the hearts of men to THE TRUTH?


And did you think there were variations of and more than one TRUTH?

HE is the way the truth and the life
No man cometh to the father but by HIM

Or did you think there were variations of and more than one way?

 

[Copperhead]

They are more interested in hastening the day?

Don’t they know the scriptures says woe to those who hasten the day? (Amos 5:18)

I guess then the Apostle John erred.....

Revelation 22:20 (NKJV) He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

And Paul surely must have goofed.....

1 Corinthians 16:22 (NKJV) If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. O Lord, come!

And what of the methodology of prayer that Yeshua Himself taught us......

Matthew 6:9-13 (NKJV) In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10 Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

Could be that Amos was speaking regarding those who are out of favor with the Lord about desiring that day. The context suggests that.

 

[miknik5]

no. John and Paul did not lie

But they were speaking to a closed audience of BELIEVERS
encouraging and reminding them of the lords coming

These believers having entered in by way of the DOOR were already under the Lords protection

They would not have offered any confusion nor would they have been encouraging ANYONE to build a third temple so as to hasten the day

 

[Inkfingers]

The third temple is already built - Mark 14:58

As befits the New Covenant - Jeremiah 31:31-34 Luke 22:20

Yehovah dwells in the new temple - 1 Corinthians 6:19 Colossians 1:18 John 8:58

The old temple ways are gone and will not be coming back because God takes no delight in blood - Psalms 51:16-17

Which means also that the Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24:15 will be apostasy in the Church - 2 Thessalonians 2:3

 

[Copperhead]

no. John and Paul did not lie

But they were speaking to a closed audience of BELIEVERS
encouraging and reminding them of the lords coming

These believers having entered in by way of the DOOR were already under the Lords protection

They would not have offered any confusion nor would they have been encouraging ANYONE to build a third temple so as to hasten the day

True, but the part of the guideline prayer that Yeshua taught His disciples, is calling for the Lord's kingdom to come. That is praying for that day when the Lord would set up His kingdom on the earth as elaborated by the prophets.

My post that mentioned this was in specific response to your Amos reference. You stated "woe to those who hasten the day". From what I can tell from Yeshua, Paul, and John is that it is one of our responsibilities to call for Yeshua's return to establish His kingdom on the earth, which by implication, would be "hastening" that day.

I was not even focusing on any third temple scenario, just the simple comment you made about hastening that day. None of us are going to have any say on if another temple is built in Israel in the near future, no matter how much we think it is necessary or not. If it occurs, it will be done by the religious leadership in Israel, along with approval by the Israeli government.

 

[Copperhead]

The third temple is already built - Mark 14:58

You are going to base a doctrine from the testimony of false witnesses against Yeshua to the Chief Priest and council? What did Yeshua really say that they twisted the wording of?....

John 2:18-22 (NKJV) So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

He did not say He would build another temple as the false witnesses said. Your assertion is monumentally faulty.

Ezekiel goes into great lengths in 4 chapters describing in exquisite detail regarding the future temple. The depth of detail can lead to no other conclusion that a physical, literal temple is in view.

 

[Inkfingers]

He did not say He would build another as the false witnesses said. Your assertion is monumentally faulty.

What are you on about?

He said the new temple was his body. Hence the body of Christ (the Church) are the new Temple - 1 Corinthians 6:19