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You may be right somewhat here!Had you been one with the upbringing of the English language and it's multi usages, I would have pegged you correctly. Understanding that most likely English is your second/definitely not your native language, will generate a different format of responses from me towards you.
But you did throw me for a loop. And now, it's as clear as the sun shining through a clean plane of glass.
Really so God who holds all things back was taken out of the way?No, he was referring to the existing 2nd temple
Do you wish to warn your older ignorant Jewish brother who waits to build a temple so as to reinstate animal sacrifices thinking this is proper worshipIt has been more than four decades since I received Christ. I have already published three books: "Why I am A Believer In Christ"(A story of a Hindu Devanga Brahmin), "Can A Christian Marry, Divorce And Remarry?" and "Did Saint Paul Deviate From The Gospel". Complimentary copies of these books have been sent all over the world by airmail. They are available with amazon.com
Kindle versions are also available. Besides these I have published two books on travel: "Wisdom, Human Spirit And Travel" and "Artful Argentina And Awesome Antarctica".
I have also published a book on importance of adult immersion baptism in our native language.
With all that you have claimed, your direct and indirect support to building a third temple speaks ill of your responsibility of waiting for the Lord!
Thessalonians refers to existing second templeReally so God who holds all things back was taken out of the way?
So God was delayed 21 days already?
What are you saying?
Thessalonians clearly states that He who holds all things back must first be taken out of the way for the man of sin and for sin to have full reign
I am least bothered about temple building. True Christians should not support that with their own interpretation of the writings.This is what the topic of this thread is about. And though you are saved and understand that there shouldn’t be another temple built, how do you deny that there will be another temple built by those ignorant of the Truth in Christ because they are NOT.... IN CHRIST
Then HE who holds all things back has been taken out of the way.Thessalonians refers to existing second temple
I have a busy schedule for a few days. I will try to express my opinion on this later. Please have patienceThen HE who holds all things back has been taken out of the way.
For the only way the man of sin can be revealed and found sitting in the temple is when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way.
So please, if you’d be so kind, expound all of 2 Thessalonians 2
In the grand scheme of things it does not much matter, for biblical prophecies, mainly in the old testament will surely come to pass, with or without the help of christians
Then HE who holds all things back has been taken out of the way.
For the only way the man of sin can be revealed and found sitting in the temple is when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way.
So please, if you’d be so kind, expound all of 2 Thessalonians 2
You may want to take a look at various commentaries available online. I am giving one of those, particularly related to third temple supposition:
The characters here given, 2 Thess. 2:4. (1.) That he opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped; and thus have the bishops of Rome not only opposed God’s authority, and that of the civil magistrates, who are called gods, but have exalted themselves above God and earthly governors, in demanding greater regard to their commands than to the commands of God or the magistrate. (2.) As God, he sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. As God was in the temple of old, and worshipped there, and is in and with his church now, so the antichrist here mentioned is some usurper of God’s authority in the Christian church, who claims divine honours; and to whom can this better apply than to the bishops of Rome, to whom the most blasphemous titles have been given, as Dominus Deus noster papa—Our Lord God the pope; Deus alter in terrâ—Another God on earth; Idem est dominium Dei et papae—The dominion of God and the pope is the same?
So there is no question of building a new physical temple now.
Then HE who holds all things back has been taken out of the way.
For the only way the man of sin can be revealed and found sitting in the temple is when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way.
So please, if you’d be so kind, expound all of 2 Thessalonians 2
Forum for the construction of Ezekiel's Temple, the Third Temple of Israel
it sure looks to me like the latter half of the seven year period of time cannot happen until the death and resurrection of the two witnesses????Good question..... it sure looks to me like the latter half of the seven year period of time cannot happen until the death and resurrection of the two witnesses????/
Here is an impressive forum on the construction of the Ezekiel Temple Complex...... (which is actually a separate question from a Temple Mount Third Temple)!
Theology of the Third Temple - Forum
it sure looks to me like the latter half of the seven year period of time cannot happen until the death and resurrection of the two witnesses????
You are mistaken: verses 11:4 through 11:13 are written as a parenthesis. They are NOT in John's chronology.
These two witnesses show up right there in chapter 11, which is just days before the midpoint. They testify for 1260 days, which takes them to just 3.5 days before the end of the week. They are then killed, and lay dead for those 3.5 days, they are raised to life at the 7th vial where ALL the Old Testament saints are risen. That earthquake in chapter 11 is the very same earthquake at the 7th vial.
You see, all five mentions of this 3.5 year period of time are for the LAST half of the week. The 70th week is marked with 7's: the 7th seal opens the week, the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint and the 7th vial ends the week. Notice that all five mentions of this 3.5 year period of time are found in chapters 11, 12, and 13. They are midpoint chapters.
Verse 11:1-2, the man of sin enters Jerusalem. He MUST get to Jerusalem to enter the temple in Jerusalem. He comes with Gentile armies that will trample the city.
Then the two witnesses show up because He showed up That is verse 3. But then John takes us down the last half of the week with them only, as a parenthesis. For chronology, it is
11:1-2 probably just 3.5 days before the midpoint
11:3 just 3.5 days before the midpoint.
11:14-15 The 7th trumpet marks the midpoint
12:6 those who SEE the abomination run for their lives.
The man of sin - a real flesh and blood man - will enter the new Jewish temple and declare he is GOD! (It is the abomination). The 7th trumpet will mark this time in heaven. The 7th trumpet is also Michael's time to go after Satan to cast him down. I believe the moment Satan is cast down, he will possess this man of sin, who will then become the BEAST of Rev. 13.You may want to take a look at various commentaries available online. I am giving one of those, particularly related to third temple supposition:
The characters here given, 2 Thess. 2:4. (1.) That he opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped; and thus have the bishops of Rome not only opposed God’s authority, and that of the civil magistrates, who are called gods, but have exalted themselves above God and earthly governors, in demanding greater regard to their commands than to the commands of God or the magistrate. (2.) As God, he sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. As God was in the temple of old, and worshipped there, and is in and with his church now, so the antichrist here mentioned is some usurper of God’s authority in the Christian church, who claims divine honours; and to whom can this better apply than to the bishops of Rome, to whom the most blasphemous titles have been given, as Dominus Deus noster papa—Our Lord God the pope; Deus alter in terrâ—Another God on earth; Idem est dominium Dei et papae—The dominion of God and the pope is the same?
So there is no question of building a new physical temple now.
They certainly knew what parentheses were, but had no marks to show them. Neither have English translators shown them. We discover them by study.Or... the original Hebrew or Greek may have had no parenthesis and the punctuation may have been added by translators.........
Remember, this is the 70th week - for DANIEL'S people, not for the church.
They certainly knew what parentheses were, but had no marks to show them. Neither have English translators shown them. We discover them by study.
One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:
Luke 24:25
"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"
So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.
Also:
Luke 13:35
"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."
Was Ezekiel blessed?
Did Ezekiel come in the name of the Lord?
Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?
One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:
Luke 24:25
"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"
So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.
Also:
Luke 13:35
"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."
Was Ezekiel blessed?
Did Ezekiel come in the name of the Lord?
Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?
I don’t look at men’s notes on what God has been said to have meant by His WordYou may want to take a look at various commentaries available online. I am giving one of those, particularly related to third temple supposition:
The characters here given, 2 Thess. 2:4. (1.) That he opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped; and thus have the bishops of Rome not only opposed God’s authority, and that of the civil magistrates, who are called gods, but have exalted themselves above God and earthly governors, in demanding greater regard to their commands than to the commands of God or the magistrate. (2.) As God, he sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. As God was in the temple of old, and worshipped there, and is in and with his church now, so the antichrist here mentioned is some usurper of God’s authority in the Christian church, who claims divine honours; and to whom can this better apply than to the bishops of Rome, to whom the most blasphemous titles have been given, as Dominus Deus noster papa—Our Lord God the pope; Deus alter in terrâ—Another God on earth; Idem est dominium Dei et papae—The dominion of God and the pope is the same?
So there is no question of building a new physical temple now.
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