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Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple?

Should Christians support Jewish control of Temple Mount and rebuilding of Temple?

  • Yes, I believe that every word in Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48 must be fulfilled.

  • No, doing this might speed up the time of the coming of the anti-Messiah!

  • Yes, King Cyrus was led by the God of Abraham and he supported this cause.

  • No, I believe that we should all be vegetarians and never kill animals.

  • Yes, our nation will be blessed if we bless the Jewish people.

  • No, this could lead to a war and human life is of more value than any temple!


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Would it make a differernt to the prophecy if we didn't? Is the rebuilding of the Third Temple not inevitable if God said it would happen?

I've been thinking about this question over these past few days Theofane and I really do feel that it does make a difference.

Luke 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

I may be wrong but I am of the opinion that just as the twelve tribes of Israel had to leave their homes and follow Moshe/Moses so also there are decisions for us all to make at this time that can be compared with the taking of the land of Canaan!

I have to admit though that timing is a critical component, there is a tradition in Jewish Talmud that 30,000 soldiers from the tribe of Ephrayim left Egypt about thirty or forty ears previous to the deliverance led by Moshe/Moses so yes....it can be dangerous to do the right thing...at the wrong time! One version of the story can be read here:

Book of Jasher 75
 
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Would you prefer my posts to be incessant rants about the four horsemen, the anti-christ and not forgetting the gay mafia?

Jlujan69 puts it so much more eloquently and I share his words 100%.


No I like the way you post now. But when you present theology as rational argument its spooky.
I read all your post I come across BTW. Big fan.
 
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No I like the way you post now. But when you present theology as rational argument its spooky.
I read all your post I come across BTW. Big fan.



Well, the question was not: Should Christians support Israel/the State of Israel in rebuilding of Third Temple?
In which case I would have answered that international law forbids countries from building permanent structures on land they control through military occupation and no, Christians should not support illegalities. Which essentially says the same thing as my first answer: you are not much of a "friend" if you support your friend's self-destructive behaviour or breaking the law.
 
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touche!.
 
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In the bible it says,that everyone that worsip God,let them do it in there own way,don't cause them to sin,in there mind,thats what I mean to being supported.


Excellent comment Crazy-Cat-Woman!

Micah 4:5
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

It seems obvious that Christians who aspire to be involved in politics are supposed to learn a great deal from the example of historical King Cyrus who gave freedom of religion to all 127 provinces of the Persian Empire!
 
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I may be wrong but I am of the opinion that our supporting the Jewish people to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple will be one of the reasons why God causes this event to occur that was predicted by a woman in Edmonton?!


Mary A Burris:
"February 6, 2009

While spending time with the Lord He reminded me of Ali's funeral (Ali was my first husband who was murdered in 94/95) and how the Holy Spirit had me praying in tongues and in travail for the muslim people's salvation in Christ Jesus.

He assured me that He heard my prayer that day. Suddenly I became very excited in my spirit and asked the Holy Spirit

"What's going on?"

This is what He said:

You'll see... It'll be explosive when it happens. They will flock towards salvation as the hardness is lifted off of their hearts and the scales are removed from their eyes. They are a passionate people but their purpose has not yet been served. Upon the fulfillment of their role in the history of mankind there will be a flood of souls pouring into the kingdom of God for His glory. They have been scorned, they have been accused, but the ones who are pure in heart shall see God. When He reveals Himself to them in all His glory they will prostrate themselves before Him in a way they have never done before. When He opens the eyes of their understanding and unstops their ears to hear what His Holy Spirit is revealing the waves of tears of repentance will flood the ground they occupy and they will be purged once and for all time of the stains of their unbelief. The Lord is calling out for a pure and holy nation before God and He will do as He chooses and choose as He pleases and mankind will truly stand in awe of His mighty Majesty and Splendor as the precious souls are ushered into His kingdom.

GIVE HIM PRAISE AND GLORY!" (Mary Burris)
 
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Greeting MuslimSoldier4life!

Actually I read an article regarding the Jerusalem Third Temple that quoted an Islamic prediction that at the time that the Jews rebuild their Temple the "Jesus of Islam" will be involved???!!!!

I don't know much about this prophecy so if you can add any details that would be interesting?



 
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Shabbath Shaluem,

In response to Eporu Ronald’s study of the Jerusalem Temple Rebuilding Prophecy:

1. There will be no Cyrus II to setup any church in Jerusalem; no prophecy supports this theory. The verse John 2:18 is not referring to Cyrus but to the body of Yahshuo (aka Jesus Christ) being raised in three days. That verse has been fulfilled by his resurrection from the dead. The days mentioned here is not referring to 3,000 years; because the people in this discussion are men not God. Although a thousand years is like a day to God; nevertheless, when referring to days and years, God knows that men understand a day is a day and a year is a year. If the temple is rebuild then the church will returned to following the rest of God’s laws; and not picking some of them to obey like at buffet line. However, the Son of God and not any so-called Cyrus II will lead the rebuilding of temple upon his return as King over the earth. No Holy Scriptures supports any Cyrus II. The church will not unify or lead anyone in Jerusalem; however, the twelve tribes of Israel will lead all the peoples of the world in serving and worshipping God. At that time, the sons of Israel will reveal to the church that they all have been a victim of the following prophecy:

“YAHWEH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles (especially the churches) shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and [things] wherein [there is] no profit." ---- YeremYahu 16:19

Again, the fulfillment of the restoration of Israel will be lead by the Yeshuo the Messiah (aka Jesus Christ) and through Sons of Israel. No church or Gentiles (especially any Cyrus II) will lead this effort because they currently do not follow all of the laws of God. Every prophecy points to the Sons of Israel and no church; because the church is currently under the curse of Jeremiah 16:19.

2. True, King Manasheh did evil before the eyes of God by disobeying God’s laws. He also mixed the ways of God with pagan traditions. However, the synagogues, churches, and mosques today do some of things that King Manasheh did in the land of Israel over two thousands of years ago. They disobey some of the very laws of God and mix pagan traditions into their weekly worship. Choosing Sunday over the Seventh-day Sabbath is one of them. Choosing Easter over Yahweh’s Passover is another, to name a few. That is why the prophecy of Jeremiah 16:19 has not been fulfilled yet.

3. Lastly, in response to Eporu Ronald’s third point: True, the Son of God will return to established his Kingdom on earth but not the help of any church or gentile like a Cyrus II figure. Instead he will show the synagogues, churches, mosques, and temples of the curse in Jeremiah 16:19 and re-establish what a few Jews and Christians have kept:

"And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith YAHWEH will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of ALL NATIONS that come not up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles." ---- Zechariah 14:18-19

The Lord Yahshuo the Messiah, along with the biological sons of Israel will re-established Hebrew roots and the original Feasts of YAHWEH that has been mis-labeled as just Jewish holidays. I strongly encourage all Christians and Muslims to return to their Hebrew roots and traditions mentioned in the so-called Old Testament books of the Bible; which are not old as Catholics want us to view them.

Shabbath Shaluem.
 
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OneThatGotAway...I am extremely glad that you recognize that Moslems too will return to the roots of their faith! I suspect that this will be a significant part of the predicted return of the lost tribes of Israel to the G-d of Abraham as predicted in the Catholic Bible.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Ecclesiasticus Chapter 48



The scholarship of Mr. Tsvi Misinai indicates that the Palestinian people may well be the great, great, great....grandchildren of the Messianic Jewish disciples of Simon bar Jonah/Peter/Cephas who did NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt and thus were NOT expelled from the province of Judaea after the revolt was crushed.

Tsvi Misinai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Shabbath Shaluem,

In response to Eporu Ronald’s study of the Jerusalem Temple Rebuilding Prophecy:

1. There will be no Cyrus II to setup any church in Jerusalem; no prophecy supports this theory. ......]


But what about:

Isaiah 45 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)


vs 4,5 certainly indicate that this Cyrus person is somebody who does not actually know the G-d of Abraham. Ancient King Cyrus was a pagan but the modern Cyrus could even have serious inclinations toward agnosticism but a respect for religious freedom even if he personally disagrees with the specifics. Ancient King Cyrus allowed freedom of religion in all 127 provinces of the Persian Empire.

Some tales of how the prophet Daniel mentored and taught him indicate that he was a touch too superstitious!


As far as whether this prophecy by Isaiah has any relevance:
Luke 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

I have to admit that this question is rather confusing....I certainly do not know the when for the Jerusalem Third TEmple to be built...but my opinion at this time is that it does have to happen!

There is a significant bulge in the southern wall that I am sure fits somehow with the prediction by Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua that not one stone will be on top of another?!

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/News/20020829.htm

The Bulge on the Southern Wall of the Temple Mount Becomes Larger

Archaeologists Say that the Southern Wall Will Soon Collapse Together with the Mosque
The Temple Mount Faithful to Sharon: Let it collapse! This is the Hand of G-d!

Matthew 24:2
And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

The 2000 year anniversary of this statement would be 2030 or 2031...or considerably earlier if we use a 360 day prophetic year as seems to be needed for many prophecies?!
 
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Muslims call Jesus the son of a harlot.
 
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Muslims call Jesus the son of a harlot.


Well, don't you look silly.
 
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Well, don't you look silly.


Gracias AtheistVet!

For the record I am wide open to the possibility that the number one most significant latter day King Cyrus type of person could be an atheist or agnostic!

Two of the most astonishing acts of altruism by any government of any nation was Operation Moses and Operation Solomon where the nation of Israel....generally controlled by caucasians.....sent planes to Ethiopia to rescue thousands of black Falasha Jews and bring them to Israel....give them citizenship and a whole new level of life, at least materially anyway!

Some of the most vehement supporters of these risky operations were agnostics and full fledged atheists!
 
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How do you support everyone when you have two or more opposing sides?

Good question JustMeSee!

The best answer that I can think of is to act as an unbiased referee, observer and advisor who attempts to objectively assist each group to understand the best and most important points in the position of the other group!

Also, any film project that does not address a conflict is boring so Christians might be able to organize documentary, reality, semi-reality and full fledged fictional films that help each side to understand each other better and respect each other more!
 
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Good questions Contented. Over on the Adventist forum yesterday I ran into information that could be highly relevant. Mrs. Ellen White reported having extensive out of the body experiences in which she was given information that was generally accepted by a significant number of Seventh Day Adventists. I read several of her books around 1990. She certainly was a gifted author....in my opinion not quite as good as Pastor Rick Joyner...but nonetheless....a very good author!

I was informed that Mrs. Ellen White specifically cautioned Seventh Day Adventists to not get sidetracked into supporting the group of people who would support the Jewish people in their efforts to rebuild the Jerusalem Third Temple because as she was shown the future she saw that very very few Orthodox or Chassidic Jews came to an understanding of Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua as Moshiach/Messiah the Passover Lamb just because Christians had supported them in this way.

I personally am in a way even more determined to support this cause now even though I do suspect that the out of the body experiences and visions of the future as shown to Mrs. Ellen White could well be genuine!

Why you ask?

Because I take the vision given to Howard Storm very seriously. During his NDE he specifically asked about why God had allowed the holocaust to occur and he was shown that a very high percentage of the Jewish victims of the holocaust had gone upward to heaven or at least the type of paradise that the thief on the cross was predicted to go to!

So why do I so vehemently support Jewish control of the Temple Mount and the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple?

1. I have some good friends who are Jewish and I have zero desire to change them into a clone of myself.

2. I believe that the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple is important and will bring an amazing blessing on all the nations of the earth...exactly as said would happen in the Book of Genesis.

3. I regard that Jewish people tend to be amazingly creative and so giving them support for what they want could result in what I want happening...which is the addressing of serious modern problems through the production of films and other forms of art....

4. I personally feel a deep guilt over what we Christians have done to the Jewish and Islamic and First Nations and Black and Indian etc., etc., peoples but it may be easier to translate that into something specific for the Jewish community due to the fact that I believe firmly the the Jewish Bible law, prophets and writings must be fully and completely fulfilled!



http://www.christianforums.com/t7647330/
Former atheist Howard Storm asks about holocaust during his NDE?!



II Corinthians 12:2-4:


Howard Storm:
 
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I was forced to select the last option because a third temple is not prophesied, The third temple concept is based on a mis-translation of Daniel.

That is an interesting theory Interpreter!

Are you saying that this verse should be translated differently?


Daniel 9 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Daniel 9:27
 
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I am very curious as to where you learned this to be a fact. Care to share?


Back on page 5 I posted a message about the Islamic beliefs regarding Rabbi Jesus from an actual Sufi Muslim. If you saw it already....sorry!
 
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Do the non-Christian Jews of today believe the destruction of Herod's Temple was an act of divine wrath and retribution?
Who's to say the next future Jewish Temple will also not suffer the same fate?
If the Jews want to build another Temple, that is ok by me. It will be a great tourist attraction.....

Luke 19:44 And they shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, instead which not Thou knew the time of thy visitation/overseeing/inspection".

Reve 14:8 And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great,
the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

..............The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.............

.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............


......
 
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