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Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple?

Should Christians support Jewish control of Temple Mount and rebuilding of Temple?

  • Yes, I believe that every word in Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48 must be fulfilled.

  • No, doing this might speed up the time of the coming of the anti-Messiah!

  • Yes, King Cyrus was led by the God of Abraham and he supported this cause.

  • No, I believe that we should all be vegetarians and never kill animals.

  • Yes, our nation will be blessed if we bless the Jewish people.

  • No, this could lead to a war and human life is of more value than any temple!


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Why rebuilding a physical temple when the NT tells us that believers are God's new temple? And that in Jesus all the OT promises found their fulfillment? Look carefully at both Testaments. In the OT 'land' is a very significant term,but that word all but disappears in the NT. There the emphasis is God dwelling amongst us in a new Eden; earth itself as in Eden once again becomes God's dwelling place in the Godhead's relationship with their creation. That's what Rev 22 is all about, heaven and earth, God and humanity reunited in perfect unity.

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Why rebuilding a physical temple when the NT tells us that believers are God's new temple? And that in Jesus all the OT promises found their fulfillment? Look carefully at both Testaments. In the OT 'land' is a very significant term,but that word all but disappears in the NT. There the emphasis is God dwelling amongst us in a new Eden; earth itself as in Eden once again becomes God's dwelling place in the Godhead's relationship with their creation. That's what Rev 22 is all about, heaven and earth, God and humanity reunited in perfect unity.

John
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You could be right Johnnz... I just ran into some more information on this last week that really amazed me!!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7792844/

Visions Beyond the Veil CHAPTER IV VISIONS OF HEAVEN

The Bible tells us the heaven of the redeemed is "the third heaven."15 The future home of the people of the Lord is a place in the third heaven. This place is a city. The name of this city is "The New Jerusalem." This New Jerusalem is not "a figure of speech." It is not a combination of ideas skillfully clothed in earthly words of the Lord to give man a false conception of something it is not. The Bible says this New Jerusalem is a real city with a real foundation which God himself laid.

This celestial city is foursquare, one thousand five hundred miles on every side, surrounded by a wall two hundred feet high with foundations of twelve kinds of precious stones, the most beautiful precious stones known to man. The wall itself is jasper, which sends forth a brilliant jasper light. Twelve gates lead into the city, the streets of which are like burnished gold.

"I know a man in Christ . . . such a one caught up even to the third heaven."
II Cor. 12:2.

"I go to prepare a place for you."
John 14:2.

"But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem . . . and to the spirits of just men made perfect."
Heb. 12 :22, 23.

"For we have not here an abiding city, but we seek after the city which is to come."
Heb. 13:14.

"By faith Abraham . . . looked for the city which hath the foundations whose builder and maker is God."
Heb. 11:10.

All the saints of old died desiring "a better country, that is, a heavenly: Wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God; for he hath prepared for them a city."
Heb. 11:16. 16"

And he carried me away in the Spirit. . . and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God . . . her light was like unto a stone most precious, as it was a jasper stone, clear as crystal, having a wall great and high; having twelve gates . . . and the wall of the city had twelve foundations . . . and the city lieth foursquare, and the length thereof is as great as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs (1,500 miles): the length and the breadth and the height thereof are equal . . . The wall thereof a hundred and forty-four cubits (216 feet). And the building of the wall thereof was jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto pure glass; the foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald; the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl, the ninth, topaz; the tenth chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; and the twelfth, amethyst. . . The city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God did lighten it." Rev. 21:10-23.

In this city are the homes of the redeemed, the abode of angels, Paradise, and the throne of God.

Why should not the New Jerusalem be a real city with streets of real gold and with jasper walls and with foundation stones of precious jewels? Did God so exhaust his material when he made the universe that he had no gold or jewels left for heaven?

If God could make a world, could he not suspend a city in the sky beyond the stars? Here and there a little impure gold in a fissure of a distorted rock of this cursed and perverted earth or here and there the discovery of a precious jewel hidden in the debris of earthly ruins are only lingering reminders of the reality of which these are merely shadows. The real, the imperishable are in the city whose builder and maker is God.

The scenes of this city are not so clear, the children said, as the scenes they saw on the street of the New Jerusalem in heaven. What we see on this perverted, degenerated earth are only shadows. "The creation fell into subjection to failure and unreality" (Rom. 8 :20) .

The gold we cherish, the jewels we adore, the cities and mansions we build are only copies of the real in the city that is soon coming down.

The Adullam children were caught up in vision to this city of God. How they could see the city I do not know. How Abraham saw it I do not know. How Paul could be caught up to Paradise, either in the body or out of the body, I do not know. These things are beyond natural order. We need not, at present, know the How. We know the Fact. John was shown the city. He was told by the Lord to write the things he had seen and send them to the Churches.

In the Spirit Adullam children were caught up to this city time after time, not as in a dream but as a living reality. Their visits were so real, in fact, that the children supposed their souls actually left their bodies to go to heaven and return, or that in some unaccountable way they had gone to heaven soul and body just as they might in daily life visit some distant place. Frequently when in Paradise the children were plucking and partaking of the heavenly fruit they gathered some extra to tuck in their garments to bring back to earth for "Muh Si and Si Mu" (Pastor and Mrs. Baker).

They knew they were only on a visit to heaven and soon to return. Upon returning, when the Spirit lifted from them, finding themselves in our Adullam rooms they proceeded at once to search in their garments for the delicious fruit they had brought back to please us. Not finding this fruit in their garments, a look of great surprise, confusion, and disappointment came over their faces. They could not, for the time, believe they had not bodily gone to heaven and come back with the fruit tucked in their garments.

Walking on the streets of the New Jerusalem was to them as real as walking on the streets of a Chinese city. One day, when walking down the street in bright sunshine, I asked the boys if the visions were as real and as clear as what we then saw. "Just as real," they said, "but much clearer due to the light in heaven and the white garments and the cleanliness everywhere, all adding to the brightness."

When in the Spirit, the children were usually lost to their natural surroundings. In many cases, although they supposed they were in heaven, they talked aloud, describing what they saw, thus carrying on conversation that we all could hear. Often they acted out before our eyes what they supposed they were doing in heaven.

Caught up to the Third Heaven

The Adullam children said they went to the third heaven. As they passed through the first heaven they felt air on their faces. Having passed the second heaven, they looked back upon the stars in their wonderful beauty, much as from a mountain height a person might gaze down upon a beautiful, light-studded city below. From this starry heaven they passed on into the third heaven until they Came to the Heavenly Jerusalem. As they approached this heavenly city they saw its light in the distance. Coming nearer, they saw the beautiful wall radiating its wonderful jasper light. The foundations were of indescribable beauty, sparkling with red, yellow, orange, purple, blue, green, violet, and all the other colors of the twelve most beautiful jewels.


This city in the sky the children saw as three cities in one: one city suspended above another, the largest city below, the smallest city on top, making a pyramid. Since this city John saw is surrounded by a wall, and since the city is one thousand five hundred miles high, Bible students have supposed the heavenly city is not a cube but a pyramid. Our children, however, knew nothing of this, neither had I ever thought of the New Jerusalem as three cities, one suspended above another. God who suspends the worlds in space can suspend these cities in space. The Bible does not tell us the internal order of the city.

One of our small boys spoke in prophecy when in vision at the feet of the Lord the Lord was talking to him. In this prophecy the Lord said that he had made heaven big enough for everybody, that he had made it in three cities one above another, and that at present his throne is in the upper city.

Since time and distance are nothing in the heavenly realm, there is nothing impossible in such an arrangement of this city of God. There are three heavens. There were three stories in the ark, where God preserved the present creation. God is three in one. Why should not the city of the Great King be three in one? Why should not the King reign from the top of the pyramid of all the universe, since "the stone which the builders rejected was made the head of the corner," the capstone of the pyramid of all creation?

By the Gates into the City Adullam entered by its pearly gates into the city of golden streets. Angels in white guarded the gates and welcomed those entering in. No beggarly reception this. Here the one-time rejected off-scourings of the earth were welcomed as kings by these angelic hosts. Had not the Savior promised the weakest and humblest of his children a kingdom where they shall reign with the King of Kings for ages and ages?
Visions Beyond the Veil (Free Book) – H.A. Baker | HopeFaithPrayer
 
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Originally Posted by Johnnz
Why rebuilding a physical temple when the NT tells us that believers are God's new temple? And that in Jesus all the OT promises found their fulfillment? Look carefully at both Testaments. In the OT 'land' is a very significant term,but that word all but disappears in the NT. There the emphasis is God dwelling amongst us in a new Eden; earth itself as in Eden once again becomes God's dwelling place in the Godhead's relationship with their creation. That's what Rev 22 is all about, heaven and earth, God and humanity reunited in perfect unity.

John
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You could be right Johnnz... I just ran into some more information on this last week that really amazed me!!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7792844/


Visions Beyond the Veil (Free Book) – H.A. Baker | HopeFaithPrayer
May I respectfully ask what that has to do with a future Temple being built? Just curious.



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May I respectfully ask what that has to do with a future Temple being built? Just curious.

The need for a new temple changed with Christ. The earth is God's temple and that will be manifest again with anew glory when Jesus returns.

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The need for a new temple changed with Christ. The earth is God's temple and that will be manifest again with anew glory when Jesus returns.

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I know that you are significantly correct in this belief Johnnz....... but.... how would Messiah Jesus/ Yeshua want his people to treat Orthodox and Chassidic Jews who survive the tribulation period into the era of Messiah?????!!!!

How would Christ want them treated....NOW.. in regards to their respect for all the prophecies in Ezekiel, Zechariah, Isaiah, Jeremiah regarding the Jerusalem Temple Mount???????!!!!!
 
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I know that you are significantly correct in this belief Johnnz....... but.... how would Messiah Jesus/ Yeshua want his people to treat Orthodox and Chassidic Jews who survive the tribulation period into the era of Messiah?????!!!!

How would Christ want them treated....NOW.. in regards to their respect for all the prophecies in Ezekiel, Zechariah, Isaiah, Jeremiah regarding the Jerusalem Temple Mount???????!!!!!

He wants them to follow Jesus, Whatever else they do or believe that that does not accord with that will be missing the mark in some way.

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The need for a new temple changed with Christ. The earth is God's temple and that will be manifest again with anew glory when Jesus returns.

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Although that's certainly true with regards to Christian beliefs, it certainly isn't true for Jews, many of whom still desperately want another Temple in Jerusalem.
 
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Although that's certainly true with regards to Christian beliefs, it certainly isn't true for Jews, many of whom still desperately want another Temple in Jerusalem.

Indeed -- I wonder how many Christians realize that if the Jews build a temple, it'll be their temple, not the Christians'?
 
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Should Christians support Jewish control of Temple Mount and rebuilding of Temple?
The NT message is that there is now one people as God's new family made up of Jews and Gentiles ie other races.

John
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So what does that have to do with the topic of the thread?


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The NT message is that there is now one people as God's new family made up of Jews and Gentiles ie other races.

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OK... but does the Christian Bible... back up the book of Isaiah and teach that Isaiah was inspired?

If so... then how can so much respect be shown by Isaiah to Gentile King Cyrus who allowed residents of the Persian Empire to have freedom of religion????!!!
 
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OK... but does the Christian Bible... back up the book of Isaiah and teach that Isaiah was inspired?

If so... then how can so much respect be shown by Isaiah to Gentile King Cyrus who allowed residents of the Persian Empire to have freedom of religion????!!!

Most of the NT writers were steeped on the Hebrew Scriptures. Mark's gospel appears to be framed around Isaiah in many places.

The overall context of Cyrus was one of an agent of God's judgement against the Jewish people.

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Most of the NT writers were steeped on the Hebrew Scriptures. Mark's gospel appears to be framed around Isaiah in many places.

The overall context of Cyrus was one of an agent of God's judgement against the Jewish people.

John
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I just saw the film "The Book of Daniel" yesterday. I loved it...... Cyrus as played by Lance Henrickson understood his role more so as somebody who wold do all that he could to protect people who were hated and persecuted without valid reason. The Jewish residents of the Persian Empire were certainly persecuted.
 
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I personally was greatly encouraged by the response that I received to this question when I posed it on the Christian Heritage Party of Canada discussion forum.
What do the scriptures say? Do they in any way state that the gentiles are to be part of this?
 
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What do the scriptures say? Do they in any way state that the gentiles are to be part of this?

Yes............ the scriptures are fairly clear that this time around.....much like in the time of King Cyrus...... it will be Gentiles who will play a huge role in setting the stage politically and economically for the rebuilding of the Third Temple .... my theory is that once the Greenland Ice Pack and West Antarctic Ice Sheet begin to crack and slide at an even more rapid rate......... we Gentiles will be desperate for a possible way to divert water out of the oceans.... into desert regions....... so that they are not on top of New Orleans, Florida, Holland, Bangladesh, New Jersey.......or for that matter.....WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!

Please take a look at the diagrams.....the WAIS is BELOW SEA LEVEL .... and exceptionally vulnerable to cracking and sliding or an earthquake or tsunami or........


Collapse Of Antarctic Ice Sheet Would Likely Put Washington, D.C. Largely Underwater -- ScienceDaily

Collapse Of Antarctic Ice Sheet Would Likely Put Washington, D.C. Largely Underwater
 
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Dr. Grant Jeffrey sure did an amazing job of writing about this theory on where the Ark is in his 1988 version of his book "Armageddon Appointment with Destiny."

God rest his soul in heaven. I loved his show and read several of his books. He is missed.
 
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We are that temple now, with its final fulfillment at the resurrection.

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Yes..... .but the metaphor in Psalms 22 and Isaiah 52 and 53 did not prevent the literal fulfillment from happening did it?
 
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God rest his soul in heaven. I loved his show and read several of his books. He is missed.

Yes..... I absolutely love his great humility to do his best to qualify his assertion to show that he was speculating but was not in a position to state exactly what Messiah Jesus/Yeshua was going to do.... when and how????!!!!
 
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Yes..... .but the metaphor in Psalms 22 and Isaiah 52 and 53 did not prevent the literal fulfillment from happening did it?

I'm not sure what you mean. The OT has its fulfillment in the NT for sure. That's why I see Jesus as the fulfillment of the OT types and promises, as are his new people, who are now 'a royal priesthood, a holy nation' concepts belonging to the old Israel.

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