Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

God had the Gentiles destroy the Jew's temple twice. Not sure why the Jews would want to risk building another one

LittleLambofJesus....I tried twice to get into the other thread that you gave here....and the link isn't quite working....Not sure why????

But....the topic you mentioned has artistic value.....that could be translated into economic and diplomatic value....in the hands of an inspired and wise group of Christians?!

What post was that thread link on?

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[DennisTate]

What post was that thread link on?

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Is Sunday worship mark of the beast?

Tried three times....can't get into it????

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Is Sunday worship mark of the beast?

Tried three times....can't get into it????

I got into it ok. Let me try the direct one:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7444322-9/#post54205421

 

[funtimes]

There is old covenant Israel which was the fleshly nation that was destroyed completely in AD 70

and there is New covenant Israel, which is the Spiritual nation of God and can never be destroyed. The spiritual new covenant nation is who the promises belong to, and not to old covenant Israel

Unfortunately ONLY those who are in the Spirit of God will understand that the Spiritual nation and chosen preisthood is reserved ONLY for Spiritual Israel which is the church of the Firstborn.

Those who are in the flesh, only have the fleshly nation of Israel in the Middleeast to relate to, as these carnally minded people can only relate to the flesh.

God wiped out fleshly old covenant Israel as He promised he would.

Jesus warned old covenant Israel to repent, and they did not so they lost all protection that God offerred them.

So God wiped them off the face of the earth and they no longer exist, nor have they existed for 2000 years.

So the UN created a fleshly nation of Israel, except what the UN created has no relation to old covenant Israel.

Nor does God have any interest in the fleshly nation of Israel today.

Matthew 3:9
And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is old covenant Israel which was the fleshly nation that was destroyed completely in AD 70

and there is New covenant Israel, which is the Spiritual nation of God and can never be destroyed. The spiritual new covenant nation is who the promises belong to, and not to old covenant Israel

Nor does God have any interest in the fleshly nation of Israel today.

Matthew 3:9
And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’
I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham

Excellent!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

LUKE 16:29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' "

 

[someguy14]

2) Jesus is already the third, and final temple. He is the eternal temple. Why would Christians support the building of a 'third' temple for the Jews? I think ya'll read too much left behind and have a hard on for the blood bath that happens in those books.

Who claims to be of God and rejects His word.

 

[Illuminaughty]

John 2:19;

"Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Looks like Jesus identified his body as the temple right there. This was in response to a statement about the literal stone temple. Instead of speaking about that he suggested that his body was the temple.

 

[funtimes]

There is ONLY one nation that is chosen by God, and that is the church of the Firstborn.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light

Peter is speaking to the Church of Christ and he is speaking about the church of Chirst.

Israel in the Middle East today, is not the chosen people of God, nor do they exist as a royal priesthood, nor are they God's holy nation.

And to give the nation f Israel today any consideration of being as such, is a direct contradiction of scripture.

God is done with the physical nation of Israel for 2000 years, and has moved on to the Spiritual nation of Zion, which is a spiritual organism and the church of Christ.

God fulfilled ALL His promises to the physical nation of Israel in His chosen remnant. And those who did not belong to the remnant were told to be cut off from God's promises.

That the nation of old covenant Israel has been cut off from God forever, is what the OP does not understand, and it is because he has no concept of the work of the Spirit, and the existance of Spiritual Israel today.



Galatians 4
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.


24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” [

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

John 2:19;

"Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Looks like Jesus identified his body as the temple right there. This was in response to a statement about the literal stone temple. Instead of speaking about that he suggested that his body was the temple.

Some bible versions use "Sanctuary", which was inside the Temple.

It was literally the heart and soul of both the Temple and Jerusalem.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, "destroy this sanctuary/naon <3485>, and in three days I will raise it up"

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3485 matches the Greek &#957;&#945;&#8057;&#962; (naos), which occurs 46 times in 40 verses in the Greek concordance

 

[interpreter]

There is old covenant Israel which was the fleshly nation that was destroyed completely in AD 70

and there is New covenant Israel, which is the Spiritual nation of God and can never be destroyed. The spiritual new covenant nation is who the promises belong to, and not to old covenant Israel

Unfortunately ONLY those who are in the Spirit of God will understand that the Spiritual nation and chosen preisthood is reserved ONLY for Spiritual Israel which is the church of the Firstborn.

Those who are in the flesh, only have the fleshly nation of Israel in the Middleeast to relate to, as these carnally minded people can only relate to the flesh.

God wiped out fleshly old covenant Israel as He promised he would.

Jesus warned old covenant Israel to repent, and they did not so they lost all protection that God offerred them.

So God wiped them off the face of the earth and they no longer exist, nor have they existed for 2000 years.

So the UN created a fleshly nation of Israel, except what the UN created has no relation to old covenant Israel.

Nor does God have any interest in the fleshly nation of Israel today.

Matthew 3:9
And do not think you can say to yourselves, &#8216;We have Abraham as our father.&#8217; I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham

Wrong. Jews are one of God's two witnesses in Jerusalem, and much of the Revelation is about Jerusalem and the Jews who will learn a new song that only they can learn. But a third temple is not mentioned. That idea comes from a miss-translation of Daniel.

 

[seashale76]

Should Christians support Jewish control of the Temple Mount and rebuilding of the Temple?

NO

1) We're not Jewish.
2) There's a mosque there.
3) The Church is Israel.
4) The modern state of Israel does a lot of dodgy things that Christians shouldn't support.
5) If those particular folks ever get in control of the Temple Mount, God help us all. The outcome will not be all fluffy bunnies and Kumbaya.

 

[DennisTate]

John 2:19;

"Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Looks like Jesus identified his body as the temple right there. This was in response to a statement about the literal stone temple. Instead of speaking about that he suggested that his body was the temple.

Something rather interesting is that 3000 years (3 days) from the death of Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua it seems that a huge Jerusalem Temple complex is promised that will be vastly larger than the Jerusalem Temple as described by Ezekiel.


Revelation 21 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.....

Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.



I have wondered if it has an indent in the bottom of it that will fit perfectly over the Jerusalem Temple complex described by Ezekiel so that the Ezekiel temple is preserved for archeological and sentimental reasons?!

 

[Illuminaughty]

People wont have to build that it will come down from heaven right? If a temple comes down from heaven I won't oppose it. I just don't want people to bulldoze the dome of the rock (thus starting a massive war) so they can build one themselves. If God personally does it I won't mind. He can make it fit over the dome of the rock or even use it to smash it if he wants too. Honestly I don't see either happening but if people want to have faith it will there is nothing wrong with that imo. When they start advocating that humans do it then it becomes a real hindrance to peace though.

 

[someguy14]

People wont have to build that it will come down from heaven right? If a temple comes down from heaven I won't oppose it. I just don't want people to bulldoze the dome of the rock (thus starting a massive war) so they can build one themselves. If God personally does it I won't mind. He can make it fit over the dome of the rock or even use it to smash it if he wants too. Honestly I don't see either happening but if people want to have faith it will there is nothing wrong with that imo. When they start advocating that humans do it then it becomes a real hindrance to peace though.

With God, all things are possible. Only in peace itself, is true peace found.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

With God, all things are possible.
Only in peace itself, is true peace found.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV
"god" AND "of" AND "peace"
occurs in 36 verses in the KJV, including 5 exact phrases shown first.

Hebrews 13:20 And the God of the peace, who did bring up out of the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep--in the blood of an age-during covenant--our Lord Jesus,

 

[DennisTate]

People wont have to build that it will come down from heaven right? If a temple comes down from heaven I won't oppose it. I just don't want people to bulldoze the dome of the rock (thus starting a massive war) so they can build one themselves. If God personally does it I won't mind. He can make it fit over the dome of the rock or even use it to smash it if he wants too. Honestly I don't see either happening but if people want to have faith it will there is nothing wrong with that imo. When they start advocating that humans do it then it becomes a real hindrance to peace though.

Well said Illuminaughty!

Yes, the Jerusalem fourth or fifth temple complex that is somewhere around 1500 miles on each side will almost certainly descend down from heaven so yes....no human will have to worry about building this!

I also do not want anybody to bulldoze the Dome of the Rock. I do know of at least one Christian writer who did feel that this should be done.....I disagree with him:


The Temple
The Temple by Carl Cantrell.


I personally suspect that the Jerusalem Third TEmple is built after a significant level of the "restoration of the lost tribes of Israel" has occurred....because many of the lost tribes are Moslems and live in the Islamic nations.

I am open to the possibility that a Third TEmple is built that does NOT fit the description given in Ezekiel....which would then make the Ezekiel Temple into the Fourth Jerusalem Temple....and then the temple of Revelation chapter 21 would become the fifth Jerusalem Temple???!!!

 

[someguy14]

Amen. God alone is peace.

 

[DennisTate]

Amen. God alone is peace.

So true!

Zechariah 4:6 "Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

[Supreme]

Well said Illuminaughty!

Yes, the Jerusalem fourth or fifth temple complex that is somewhere around 1500 miles on each side will almost certainly descend down from heaven so yes....no human will have to worry about building this!

I also do not want anybody to bulldoze the Dome of the Rock. I do know of at least one Christian writer who did feel that this should be done.....I disagree with him:


The Temple
The Temple by Carl Cantrell.


I personally suspect that the Jerusalem Third TEmple is built after a significant level of the "restoration of the lost tribes of Israel" has occurred....because many of the lost tribes are Moslems and live in the Islamic nations.

I am open to the possibility that a Third TEmple is built that does NOT fit the description given in Ezekiel....which would then make the Ezekiel Temple into the Fourth Jerusalem Temple....and then the temple of Revelation chapter 21 would become the fifth Jerusalem Temple???!!!

Can't Jews build a temporary Temple on another site, such as the Mount of Olives? I understand just how holy the Temple Mount is (it has the Holy of Holies), but for the time being, can't the Jews make do with another location? It's not like they have the Ark of the Covenant, which is essential for the Holy of Holies.

 

[DennisTate]

Can't Jews build a temporary Temple on another site, such as the Mount of Olives? I understand just how holy the Temple Mount is (it has the Holy of Holies), but for the time being, can't the Jews make do with another location? It's not like they have the Ark of the Covenant, which is essential for the Holy of Holies.

Supreme you are onto something hugely important!


Tuvia Sagiv presents a theory that the area of the original Temple of Solomon is NOT on top of the Dome of the Rock but well off to the side so that both the Jerusalem Third Temple as well as the Dome of the Rock could perhaps be side by side to each other!
Temples of Mount Moriah

14. Conclusion
"An examination and comparison between the areas and temples built throughout the Roman Empire and among the visible archeological remains in the Moriah Area, and consideration of the written testimonies and drawings lead us to the following conclusions:
The Moriah Area is not the Temple Mount built by Herod
The Moriah Area as we know it today was built by Hadrian
The Al-Aksa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock were built upon the remains of the Roman Temple.
The Temple Mount is hidden and enclosed within the Moriah Area
The Jewish Temple, or at least its remnants, exist between Al-Aksa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in the area of Al Kas fountain.
The assumption that the Moriah Area is the work of Hadrian and his successors opens before the investigators new horizons for the understanding of Jerusalem and her secrets (56)." (Tuvia Sagiv)

There is a fascinating analogy in this idea that has a lot of potential.

When we Christians talk about the final Elijah, we could actually be referring to the Moshiach ben Yosef/Ephrayim predicted in Jewish apocalyptic writings???!!

the Moshiach ben Ephrayim and/or the Elijah person could well be recognized by Moslems....as the Mahdi!!!!????

A significant percentage of the separation between Christian intellectuals from Jewish and Islamic intellectuals....could be the technical jargon that we use???!!!


Isaiah 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.