Should Christians Hunt?

[I can eat 50 eggs]

if you object to hunting, then why don't you object to eating any meat? and how in the wide wide world can you justify that view biblically?

 

[elanor]

MEEK
Maybe YOU should go re-read you first post, i copied it below to make it easy for you, where did you say NOT about eating meat, but hunting????

Do you realize that post comes across with an "in your face" attitude? I think if you tried, you could say that a bit more kindly.

 

[I can eat 50 eggs]

yeah, sorry, I get frustrated when people quote a bunch of people start quoting other people, without seeing what God has to say about it. Doesn't help I grew up in the middle of the biggest cattle raising/slaughtering area in the country.

 

[I can eat 50 eggs]

ok, in a nice way, can anyone provide a biblical quote as to why we shouldn't hunt?

 

[morningstar2651]

Yes it is ok for Christians to hunt... Animals have no soul!!

Humans are animals so this argument is flawed.

That being said, I've been bow hunting. Deer meat is delicious.

Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Primates Family: Hominidae Subfamily: Homininae Genus: Homo Species: H. sapiens

 

[Beastt]

ok, in a nice way, can anyone provide a biblical quote as to why we shouldn't hunt?

"Thou shalt not kill" (Doesn't say "murder", it says "kill".)
The exact Hebrew wording of this biblical phrase is lo tirtzack. One of the greatest scholars of Hebrew/English linguistics (in the Twentieth Century) -Dr. Reuben Alcalay - has written in his mammoth book the Complete Hebrew /English Dictionary that "tirtzach" refers to "any kind of killing whatsoever." The word "lo," as you might suspect, means "thou shalt not."
http://www.thenazareneway.com/thou_shalt_not_kill.htm

"Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of something to eat." ~ Romans 14:20

"And the flesh of slain beasts in his body will become his tomb. For I tell you truly, he who kills, kills himself, and whoso eats the flesh of slain beasts, eats the body of death." ~ Jesus, The Gospel of Peace

 

[Ryder]

Why does God contradict Himself and order so many animal sacrifices then?

Why does He specifically tell Noah that he can now eat of any animal?

Genesis 9:1-3 (NIV)
Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

Just some food for thought, pardon the pun.

 

[ChrisWins]

And now, ChrisWinston, perhaps you would do me the honor of attempting to offer answers to those questions I asked of you.

"Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of something to eat." ~ Romans 14:20

no, i won't do you the honor because you're wrong and you should not quote scripture out of context.

Romans 14 The Weak and the Strong

1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.
2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
3 The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
7 For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.
8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
11 It is written: “ ‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.’ ”
12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.
14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died.
16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.
17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.
23 But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

 

[Beastt]

no, i won't do you the honor because you're wrong and you should quote scripture out of context.

Yet you will take a comment/request I made on one thread and apply it to a different thread, then attempt to answer it? You won't respond to my request for the obvious reason. I'm sorry that you feel hostility but you asked the questions on the other thread. I only answered them and I did so with no disrespect. If you have no responses then perhaps you should review your beliefs and take pause.

Though you take great exception to my second and third responses, you seem to have chosen not to respond to the first. Might I ask why?

How sad it is that the 3-words, "out of context" always seem to serve as the guarded retreat of the logically out-gunned.

 

[ChrisWins]

Yet you will take a comment/request I made on one thread and apply it to a different thread, then attempt to answer it? You won't respond to my request for the obvious reason.

Different thread, same topic. The only obvious thing I saw when I skimmed through all your yada yada yada was you started to compare slavery to eradicating Arctic natives because they eat meat or some loonyness like that... i don't even know, i don't even care anymore because all i know is eating meat isn't wrong. I respect the choice to not kill animals, I believe animals should be treated better than just a product, and they should provide nutrients with thankfulness afterwards or even before when the kill is made.

Ciao.

 

[Beastt]

Different thread, same topic. The only obvious thing I saw when I skimmed through all your yada yada yada was you started to compare slavery to eradicating Arctic natives because they eat meat or some loonyness like that... i don't even know, i don't even care anymore because all i know is eating meat isn't wrong. I respect the choice to not kill animals, I believe animals should be treated better than just a product, and they should provide nutrients with thankfulness afterwards or even before when the kill is made.

Ciao.

If you'd like to respond to the questions I asked of you, then please do so on the thread where I asked them. I see from your post that you don't see a difference in the topics of the two threads but I do see a difference and I think those that started this thread would probably like it to stay within their intended topic. I would ask, however, that before you respond to my questions, that you actually read through my post. Because what you've stated here and referred to as "looniness" is not what I said there or anywhere.

Thank you

 

[Im_A]

if it is a sin to hunt, then i guess fishing is a sin too.

all i have to say about hunting is, i think sport hunting/fishing is a joke and stupid. hunting because you want some food, cool.

 

[Beastt]

if it is a sin to hunt, then i guess fishing is a sin too.

all i have to say about hunting is, i think sport hunting/fishing is a joke and stupid. hunting because you want some food, cool.

Those who consider hunting and fishing to be sports might wish to ponder the meaning of the word, "sporting" for a while.

 

[ChrisWins]

you've stated here and referred to as "looniness" is not what I said there or anywhere.Thank you

You're welcome. It all boils down to hunting, whether it's this thread or another, that's what it all boils down to, is it okay? Ye, it's okay to hunt for food. Oh, and i believe i said "loonyness" not "looniness."

Good day, sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!

 

[Beastt]

You're welcome. It all boils down to hunting, whether it's this thread or another, that's what it all boils down to, is it okay? Ye, it's okay to hunt for food. Oh, and i believe i said "loonyness" not "looniness."

Good day, sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!

The topic of the other thread is diet. The topic of this thread is hunting. Certainly they have points which overlap but the two are not the same for in considering diet, many other aspects must also be considered. These other aspects are the primary reason that any further discussion about the topic of the other thread, should be undertaken on the other thread so as not to derail this thread (please). I know this is difficult for some people to understand, but saying it is okay to hunt doesn't make it okay.

And yes, you did say, "loonyness". To be honest, that's just not the proper spelling(1) and though I saw no reason to make any issue of that, I did choose to utilize the proper spelling in my response.

(1) http://dictionary.reference.com/

 

[Illuminatus]

There are many ways to control the deer population other than the slaughter and destruction of the animal, there is birth control that can be either added in food or shot in a dart there is also the option of relocation....

This isn't feasible in situations like the one I showed. When you have 100 deer in just over a 12 sqkm area, it's not possible to solve the problem with birth control. Unless you've got a geriatric deer population, it takes a minimum of 3-5 years to reduce the population by any significant level. Relocation is not possible. This is a peat bog, and a very delicate ecosystem. To relocate around 80 deer would require a vast number of people, not to mention equipment. You'd destroy large patches of the bog. As well, there's not a huge number of places in Ontario where you can just dump off 80 deer.

You also mentioned "sportsmen" being largely against reintroduction of predator species. This is misrepresentative. Firstly, predator species are being reintroduced in areas where they are severely depleted, at least in Canada. Secondly, the major group that tend to be against increasing the population of predators are farmers, since a greater population of wolves, etc., will likely have a detrimental effect on their herds/flocks.

Deer hunting is often necessary to control deer populations and keep the ecosystem in balance.

 

[Beastt]

This isn't feasible in situations like the one I showed. When you have 100 deer in just over a 12 sqkm area, it's not possible to solve the problem with birth control. Unless you've got a geriatric deer population, it takes a minimum of 3-5 years to reduce the population by any significant level. Relocation is not possible. This is a peat bog, and a very delicate ecosystem. To relocate around 80 deer would require a vast number of people, not to mention equipment. You'd destroy large patches of the bog. As well, there's not a huge number of places in Ontario where you can just dump off 80 deer.

You also mentioned "sportsmen" being largely against reintroduction of predator species. This is misrepresentative. Firstly, predator species are being reintroduced in areas where they are severely depleted, at least in Canada. Secondly, the major group that tend to be against increasing the population of predators are farmers, since a greater population of wolves, etc., will likely have a detrimental effect on their herds/flocks.

Deer hunting is often necessary to control deer populations and keep the ecosystem in balance.

If you don't mind my asking; how did such a small area come to have such a large deer population?

 

[Jonteel]

"...In the latter times...some shall depart from the faith...forbidding and commanding to abstain from meats...." 1tim. 4:2-3

Now, I am not saying that you have departed from the faith. Originally, I didn't want to post this scripture.

Many of you are saying that you shouldn't hunt unless you are in a survival situation. In other words (correct me if i am wrong) if walmat has meat, then there is no need to hunt! Am I correct in this assumption?

But, you will let a butcher do your killing for you.

I read a very good article once that said that (after all is considered) these people should stop eating meat. I believe if you have a problem with killing, then the man may be right.

When I became a Christian in 1973, I heard a lot about how the soldier in Vietnam was evil. People said that all soldiers were evil. I searched scripture, but I found nothing to stop a Christian from being a soldier. Nevertheless, I swore to never own a gun or kill again. That was about 30 years ago. For many years I was an anti gun Christian.

Later, God showed me that these people had his blessing in what they did.

Looking back, I know now that the hippy types that ruled the church (1973-1989) were pushing a personal agenda. They really believed that God didn't want them to do certain things. It's too bad because if I had been born in the Rockies, or come to Christ in the 20's, then I wouldn't have been lied to.

 

[PACKY]

that's a personal choice that each and every person makes.. ( there are many threads on that topic)

i hope that we will have a good debate on christians hunting and killing gods creation
and the use of the scripture in a attempt to make it look as if god would condone or approve of it....

I stand corrected it was post #7 Authored by myself ( please see above)

 

[Billnew]

So, it's ok to eat meat killed by others.
But to kill the meat that you eat is wrong?

So the slaughter house workers would be wrong too?

If you don't want to eat meat thats fine. But lets keep the bible out of the discussion.
Killing any animal at any time would be wrong. Who does it doesn't matter.

Currently the human race has reduced predators to levels to low to keep animals
at safe levels. The animals would over produce and then animals will starve.
So to stop hunting would be bad for the enviroment.

While I am not a hunter, I do not see the difference between raising animals to slaughter or hunting for animals. Hunting without using the meat would be wrong but as l;ong as the meat is eaten there is no difference.