Should Christian be removed from website title?(Should CF be renamed with new vision)

[stumpjumper]

I don't understand either of these posts...

What part of my post is confusing?

I simply asked why "Christian" should be removed from the title of the forum.

What changes make the title of the forum now inappropriate?

And I don't see why the question posed is malicious.

If someone can explain what makes this a Christian Forum still, then fine. But on a Christian Forum, there really *wouldn't* be a debate about whether blasphemy was allowed or not, or whether God would feature in the democratically decided Wiki. Also things which make it deviate from Christianity. Some of the changes are good. But some of them do mean this place shouldn't be called a ChristianForums.

I think this is a Christian forum because it is devoted to Christianity.

Christianity exists in the real world with people who blaspheme and people who don't believe in God.

You might as well say a Christian Church can not exist in the same neighborhood with unbelievers and people who take the Lord's name in vain.

 

[stumpjumper]

Hey, this is a nice little FEMA trailer amid the flood of relativism that inundated the place when the levees broke on 7-7-7.

The voice in the wilderness is supposed to point us all towards God not towards a trailer or a rock as an escape from the world...

 

[GreenMunchkin]

What part of my post is confusing?
I simply asked why "Christian" should be removed from the title of the forum.

Not exactly... as I recall, you also asked: " Do you really believe conservative/fundamentalist Christianity is the only form goin'?" This questions confuses me.

I think this is a Christian forum because it is devoted to Christianity.

Yes and no.

Christianity exists in the real world with people who blaspheme and people who don't believe in God.

Yes.

You might as well say a Christian Church can not exist in the same neighborhood with unbelievers and people who take the Lord's name in vain.

A church wouldn't allow its central tenets to be decided by mob rule and voting; a church wouldn't allow non-Christians to be on staff; a church wouldn't have debates about whether blasphemy was allowed in its Mission Statement, or whether God should feature in it.

Do you often resort to divisive rhetoric to prove your points? Kindly don't make this about not wanting to share a "neighbourhood" with non-Christians, as that has never, is not, and will never be the issue.

 

[Lanakila]

I don't know that my opinion is valued here but I voted other. Since the site is open to all calling it Christian forums implies by title that it's only Christians that post here. That has never been the case and as far as Erwin is concerned it won't be the case. But since it's owned and operated by Erwin who is an evangelical Christian he can choose to title the forum based on this.

It really has nothing to do with who posts at the forum. The main topic of the forum is Christianity so it can reasonably retain the name.

 

[Ramona]

Hey, don't be silly. You're completely allowed in here. Everyone should feel welcome to post here.

Thanks, GreenMunchkin. That's very kind of you.

 

[invisible trousers]

Hey, this is a nice little FEMA trailer amid the flood of relativism that inundated the place when the levees broke on 7-7-7.

Watch out for the toxic levels of formaldehyde yo.

edit: On a somewhat related note, my family's RV has 3 formaldehyde warnings* on the bathroom mirror- I guess some sealants or something have highish levels of formaldehyde. Personally I didn't experience any ill effects other than being stuffed in a 27' class A RV with 5 other people

*a few of them have the ridiculous "this material _____ has been known to cause cancer in the state of california" warnings. Yeah, formaldehyde could be cancerous alright, if you eat it.

 

[stumpjumper]

Not exactly... as I recall, you also asked: " Do you really believe conservative/fundamentalist Christianity is the only form goin'?" This questions confuses me.

Well, a lot of the more liberal forms of Christianity have much different views of what Christianity actually means than do some of the more conservative forms do...

Are they not Christian? *you don't have to answer as it's rhetorical*

If I say that one can be a Christian and not believe Jesus is God, would you agree of disagree?

A church wouldn't allow its central tenets to be decided by mob rule and voting; a church wouldn't allow non-Christians to be on staff; a church wouldn't have debates about whether blasphemy was allowed in its Mission Statement, or whether God should feature in it.

Says who?

You probably mean that a Christian Church that did so would not be considered "Christian" by your standards. Is that correct?

I belonged to a Church that had a non-Christian secretary for a while.

We had a lot of debates about what can and can not be done by us believers (blasphemy was not one of them but I do think homosexuality came up )...

I don't remember God not being featured prominently, though.

Love towards others was a big feature.

That seems to be a lot of what Christianity means anyway, though...

 

[stumpjumper]

Do you often resort to divisive rhetoric to prove your points? Kindly don't make this about not wanting to share a "neighbourhood" with non-Christians, as that has never, is not, and will never be the issue.

I don't believe I used divisive rhetoric.

It seems to me that excluding the term "Christian" from a website or a group of people is much more divisive than any response to the OP so far...

 

[Erinwilcox]

What part of my post is confusing?

I simply asked why "Christian" should be removed from the title of the forum.

What changes make the title of the forum now inappropriate?



I think this is a Christian forum because it is devoted to Christianity.

Christianity exists in the real world with people who blaspheme and people who don't believe in God.

You might as well say a Christian Church can not exist in the same neighborhood with unbelievers and people who take the Lord's name in vain.

Before there was a clear emphasis on the Bible being the center. It was a site for CHRISTIANS to fellowship and for unbelievers to be evangelized. Now, it's more a place to make everyone feel lovey-dovey and comfortable so that no reprobate ever feels like he's a sinner in need of God's saving grace. In fact, they can even take over the forum now if they get enough people to vote them into modship--which can, as I saw during my time on staff, happen when a bunch of Bible-hating people come over from another site in an attempt to make a mockery of God and His Word.

Christians are not to be ashamed of the Gospel of Christ. It would seem that this site has become ashamed of that Holy Word because now it is doing everything it can to help people feel comfortable in their sins.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

If I say that one can be a Christian and not believe Jesus is God, would you agree of disagree?

Disagree absolutely and categorically.

You probably mean that a Christian Church that did so would not be considered "Christian" by your standards. Is that correct?

Yep. But my definition wouldn't have any bearing on them whatsoever, and I wouldn't attend that church, so we could live and let live.

We had a lot of debates about what can and can not be done by us believers (blasphemy was not one of them but I do think homosexuality came up )...

I don't think this is the place to have debate on homosexuality but, yes, my church has had discussions on homosexuality, also. I completely don't see what point you're trying to make, though...

I don't remember God not being featured prominently, though.

Love towards others was a big feature.

Dude, to be honest, this thread hasn't had a whole lot of lack of love, but your needling at Steve isn't wholly loving...

That seems to be a lot of what Christianity means anyway, though...

And rightly so. We are commanded to love one another as He loved us. Best rule ever.

I don't believe I used divisive rhetoric.

It seems to me that excluding the term "Christian" from a website or a group of people is much more divisive than any response to the OP so far...

Tsk. Of course it was divisive, *and* rhetoric, as at no point was that the thrust of this thread. In fact, this thread has posts saying non-Christians *are* welcome here. We'll leave that one alone, though, because if you really feel it's about something it's patently not, we're discussing different issues at cross purposes.

As to your final point... huh. How so? It'd be more accurate and, if anything, more inclusive. Many Christians felt they could no longer stay while the title was so misleading. Give the place an accurate title, and then people are in a position to make a reason-based decision as to whether they wish to belong to a forum which has a large interest in Christianity, but no longer conforms to a traditional Christian view. In that case, many people would return, and I'll wager many more would sign up.

I think its current name is also gonna be off-putting to non-Christians, and if this is now a forum which is to concentrate on outreach and evangelism, its name would seem to defy its purpose.

 

[tel0004]

Maybe instead of changing the name of the forum, we could go along with the wiki theme, and have a bible wiki. Once we are finished with that we could have complete agreement, and even a wiki bible full of quotes which are modern and not as strict, and more accepting of todays beliefs.

 

[drstevej]

Maybe instead of changing the name of the forum, we could go along with the wiki theme, and have a bible wiki. Once we are finished with that we could have complete agreement, and even a wiki bible full of quotes which are modern and not as strict, and more accepting of todays beliefs.

Already suggested by me:
WIKI_Bible

Steve

 

[tel0004]

Already suggested by me:
WIKI_Bible

Steve

Youre way ahead of me. Not a bad idea. Although I would be gone for good the second that was announced.

 

[Glass*Soul]

I'm on page 3 of this thread and I can't make myself read any more.

I was a member of a Mennonite congregation for many years. We made all of our decisions by means of consensus, which is what a wiki allows a group of people to do online. It's actually quite different from the sort of majority vote you can do with ballots or a poll...

But really, I can't bring myself to do another long post on consensus...

I just want to say that we felt very deeply that the consensus process was eminently Christian because it acknowledged that the truth is not always spoken by the majority but sometimes comes out in the voice of the least of the least. Jesus understood that. He often called upon someone in the crowd surrounding him, that no one would have thought of consulting, and elicited from that person a statement of faith that the religious leaders that hounded him could not have articulated.

I know it’s generally believed that those of us who cannot confess the Nicene Creed in good conscience have nothing to say and nothing positive to add to a discussion of Christianity. Search my posts in Nicene Theology. I'm doing my best to say what's on my heart regarding the teachings of Jesus. If it's worthless to you I'll stop trying.

I know the wiki situation is in an uproar right now. Proper facilitation and organization wasn't put into place. I've been asked to help with that, but I'm hesitating knowing that if I do, my presence in that project will probably simply alienate the conservative Christians on this board all the more. So, someone else needs to help.

So, essentially, I don't know what to do. I've waited for two years to be a true part of this board, precisely because it is a Christian board, yet the very fact that I and others like me are finally allowed into the formerly Christians Only areas has caused the majority of you to despair that Christianity can still be preeminent here. Our very presence kills it for you. We're unclean. Polluting.

Should I go on giving my time? Should I try one more time to help rewrite the blasphemy rule so that everyone is happy with it? I think someone else needs to come do that now. Because this is breaking my heart.

 

[Glass*Soul]

I just read the rest of this last page.

I think I made a mistake speaking from the heart here.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I just read the rest of this last page.

I think I made a mistake speaking from the heart here.

That's never a mistake Read the whole thread... can't judge a thread by just a few posts. x

 

[Erinwilcox]

Already suggested by me:
WIKI_Bible

Steve

You're so full of good ideas.

Your sigs and avatars always seem to fit every occasion so well. Unfortunately, they're rarely ever happy ones. But that's not your fault.

 

[Sothron]

Should the word Christian be removed from this website title?

100% yes. When a rule of the site is "if you think you are Christian just go for it and call yourself one regardless of what you believe" then you pretty much just threw Christ out the door.

 

[Sothron]

Already suggested by me:
WIKI_Bible

Steve

I suggest the doctor the WWF (before it was WWE) consulted that was asked on the medical benefits of doing the Bushwhacker tagteam dance entrance and being licked on the head by one of them:

"If it feels good, just do it!"

The new greatest commandment of the WIKI Bible: if its a sin and you feel good doing it then its not really a sin and a moral judgement of another person.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Already suggested by me:
WIKI_Bible

Steve

Steve I don't whether to laugh or cry at the Wiki Bible given the state things are in here I guess I'll do both.