Should all Humans get Unremovable Brain Implant Microchips at Birth?

[morse86]

There's no chip (at least for now). We are in the "what if this was a possibility, what would you think about that?" land. I don't even watch television. But if I find a certain interview with the CEO of D-Wave systems, I'll share with you. I think he mentioned something that would make way to a chip close to this, but my memory may be fooling me.

No, let me introduce you to the concept called vaporware. Company hypes up a future product, files IPO, gets the get rich quick fools to buy stock, raise the price, sell and file bankruptcy....$$$$ profit.

This is vaporware, it is created to gain $$$ and weaken peoples faith in God. It will does not exist and will never exist.

 

[Radrook]

What utter rubbish. There are no brain implantable chips. You only see that on the telievision.

Does anyone actually read and verify? Do you all just believe by faith?

Brain implants

, often referred to as neural implants, are technological devices that connect directly to a biological subject's brain – usually placed on the surface of the brain, or attached to the brain's cortex. A common purpose of modern brain implants and the focus of much current research is establishing a biomedical prosthesis circumventing areas in the brain that have become dysfunctional after a stroke or other head injuries.[1] This includes sensory substitution, e.g., in vision. Other brain implants are used in animal experiments simply to record brain activity for scientific reasons. Some brain implants involve creating interfaces between neural systems and computer chips. This work is part of a wider research field called brain-computer interfaces. (Brain-computer interface research also includes technology such as EEG arrays that allow interface between mind and machine but do not require direct implantation of a device.)

Neural implants such as deep brain stimulation and Vagus nerve stimulation are increasingly becoming routine for patients with Parkinson's disease and clinical depression respectively, proving themselves a boon for people with diseases which were previously regarded as incurable.

http:

Brain Chip and Epilepsy
//www.news-medical.net/news/2007/07/26/28078.aspx

But the U.S.-wide team now thinks that it will see a memory device being implanted in a small number of human volunteers within two years and available to patients in five to 10 years. They can't quite contain their excitement.

"I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime," said Ted Berger, professor of biomedical engineering at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles. "I might not benefit from it myself but my kids will."

Brain implants: Restoring memory with a microchip - CNN.com

 

[miamited]

Thanks but my trust is not in a chip. It is in God's kingdom to remove all the suffering and problems by taking full control of human affairs as I REPEATEDLY have explained before.

Tel me-do you like people to accuse you of things despite your explanations to the contrary?
I assume you do not. Then why do it to others? I truly pray that you will realize that lying about what someone else believes despite the person's explanations is not godly behavior but is Satanic instead and definitely not Christian conduct..

Hi radrook,

I think you should likely work on your communication skills. You find my not agreeing with you and offering that God will see that justice is done--- as offensive? How is it offensive? I mean, I can understand your not agreeing, but how is it offensive? I didn't call you any name or make some derogatory inference concerning you. Is it your general understanding that the things you don't agree with are offensive to you? Now you're claiming that people are 'accusing' you of things. Why is this not just a conversation with agreement and disagreement regarding the issue being discussed.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[-Hannah-]

No, let me introduce you to the concept called vaporware. Company hypes up a future product, files IPO, gets the get rich quick fools to buy stock, raise the price, sell and file bankruptcy....$$$$ profit.

This is vaporware, it is created to gain $$$ and weaken peoples faith in God. It will does not exist and will never exist.

You have a point, but I won't settle with one answer. When I think I understand the world I get distracted.

 

[morse86]

http:

Brain Chip and Epilepsy
//www.news-medical.net/news/2007/07/26/28078.aspx

What rubbish. All it is doing is measuring electrical signals or placebo effect. We don't understand how the brain works, don't let any government certified village medicine man fool you.

PLEASE link to the ACTUAL study instead of tabloid magazine articles. Give me the first hand actual scientific study.

 

[Radrook]

(Satanic behavior? Wow!)
There's no accusation in my words. I wish I had someone praying that I trusted in God only. Everyday I need that. Everyday I pray for that. It's not a given, when we live in a world where is rational to fear humans.
I wish I hadn't offended you. For that I apologize. It wasn't my intention to be read in that manner. I hope you can forgive me.

Of course I forgive. But ask yourself Is it really unusual for you to be be offended if someone misrepresented what you believe and then publicly proclaimed that you are in dire need of prayer because of your lack faith in God and his Word when you had already posted scriptures which expressed faith?

 

[Radrook]

What rubbish. All it is doing is measuring electrical signals or placebo effect. We don't understand how the brain works, don't let any government certified village medicine man fool you.

PLEASE link to the ACTUAL study instead of tabloid magazine articles. Give me the first hand actual scientific study.

This isn't a gymnasium to blow off steam.

 

[morse86]

This isn't a gymnasium to blow off steam.

All I ask is for a first hand source of the scientific study regarding the brain implants. The actual science study. Not some money grabbing investor seeking tax payer funded trash garbage tabloid magazine article. Put up or shut up as they say.

 

[-Hannah-]

Of course I forgive. But ask yourself Is it really unusual for you to be be offended if someone misrepresented what you believe and then proclaim that you are in dire need of prayer because of your lack faith in God and his Word when you had already posted scriptures which expressed faith?

I don't remember the last time I got offended, but I do understand that others have different sensibilities. You read me in that way, but now let me tell you what I had in my heart when I wrote what I wrote: "Here is a person who trusts the government to an extent that I find really dangerous; let me pray for him, so his trust can be in the safest place." I don't know you, it's none of my business! I do regret. I'm still learning how to behave in a forum. Thank you for making part of that process and for accepting my apologies. I'll unwatch your thread and hope to find you in a new one, with a fresh start.

 

[Strathos]

That sounds like a horrible idea

 

[Radrook]

Hi radrook,

I think you should likely work on your communication skills. You find my not agreeing with you and offering that God will see that justice is done--- as offensive? How is it offensive? I mean, I can understand your not agreeing, but how is it offensive? I didn't call you any name or make some derogatory inference concerning you. Is it your general understanding that the things you don't agree with are offensive to you? Now you're claiming that people are 'accusing' you of things. Why is this not just a conversation with agreement and disagreement regarding the issue being discussed.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Please note that the first one to claim being offended was you when I mentioned Satan and his meat hooks in relation to your morbid fear of microchip tech which you fear would prevent you from hiding from those you imagine to be hunting you down due to your intense religious beliefs. I merely followed your example in expressing how I felt.

BTW
Denial of perceiving accusations doesn't prove that accusations are absent. It merely proves your reluctance to admit that accusations are present..

 

[Radrook]

I don't remember the last time I got offended, but I do understand that others have different sensibilities. You read me in that way, but now let me tell you what I had in my heart when I wrote what I wrote: "Here is a person who trusts the government to an extent that I find really dangerous; let me pray for him, so his trust can be in the safest place." I don't know you, it's none of my business! I do regret. I'm still learning how to behave in a forum. Thank you for making part of that process and for accepting my apologies. I'll unwatch your thread and hope to find you in a new one, with a fresh start.

No hay problema. Gracias por participar. Bienvenida al forum. Disculpas si te ofendi. Dios te Bendiga!

 

[Radrook]

So then we have the problem of what level of crime would cause one to have this tag in them for the rest of their lives? Because having this tag would be a life sentance.. If you got caught speeding would you get the chip along with the speeding ticket...

Please note that my uncle was killed for fifteen dollars by being stabbed in his throat with an oil dipstick. I was savagely attacked physically by a gang of teenagers on a public bus and in both cases the people responsible got away Scott free. So my interest in having a way to have people traced might be influenced by those memorable incidences.

 

[miamited]

Please note that the first one to claim being offended was you when I mentioned Satan and his meat hooks in relation to your morbid fear of microchip tech which you fear would prevent you from hiding from those you imagine to be hunting you down due to your intense religious beliefs. I merely followed your example in expressing how I felt.

BTW
Denial of perceiving accusations doesn't prove that accusations are absent. It merely proves your reluctance to admit that accusations are present..

Hi radrook,

Now you're just not being truthful. I've never said anything about being offended. You likely have me confused with someone else.

Your claim that denial of perceiving accusations doesn't prove that accusations are absent. It merely proves your reluctance to admit that accusations are present. That also is not a true statement. Denial of perceiving accusations would only prove ones reluctance to admit that accusations are present-----wait for it----if accusations are present. Denial of perceiving accusations, if accusations are not present, but someone claims that they are, would just be an honest response to the claim.

I'm curious now to read your book. What's the title?

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Blackmarch]

Not just irremovable but tamper-proof by making sure that any attempted removal would prove fatal. That would provide law enforcement agencies with the ability to easily locate any felon for apprehension purposes. In short, unfindable or difficult to locate culprits, such as Bin Laden, would be a thing of the past.

there is no technology that is immune to tampering. This would be a foolish move for people who value freedom.

 

[Shemjaza]

Please note that my uncle was killed for fifteen dollars by being stabbed in his throat with an oil dipstick. I was savagely attacked physically by a gang of teenagers on a public bus and in both cases the people responsible got away Scott free. So my interest in having a way to have people traced might be influenced by those memorable incidences.

I'm so sorry you faced those terrible things.

However, can you imagine how society would be endangered if the government was allowed to deliberately put fatal booby traps into people's heads? It takes one corrupt cop, one greedy politician and suddenly anyone can be tracked, and possibly anyone can be killed. Were they trying to interfere with their implant? Were they suspiciously long in that shop? Were they in the same location as a "person of interest"?

 

[Tanj]

It's not clear, does untamperable and unremoveable mean unupgradeable? I'd worry that I got the v1.0 chip and then next year the company brings out the v2.0 chip. If the chip can be upgraded, then sign me up... but then I am a Peter F Hamilton fan.

 

[miamited]

Hi radrook,

Yes, and I had an uncle who was killed in a bar fight over a motorcycle. I had a cousin who we believe her husband set fire to their house and she was killed in the conflagration of the home. He was never held accountable either. Your loss is sad for you and I can appreciate your personal involvement in this issue, but I think you're letting your anger, frustration and feeling of impotence to exact punishment for the wrongdoer cloud your judgment.

Such a device that would somehow be fatal to someone for the purpose of making it unremovable opens up a whole spectrum of technical snafus that might make the device kill its host in ways not considered. This might be a good time to step back and ask WWJD? Forgive them. Forgive those who wrong you. Just forgive them. Don't worry friend, they'll get their just rewards. You don't have to be the one to give it to them. Jesus said that God is going to forgive us in the same manner that we have forgiven those who sin against us. That might be a good piece of Scripture to dwell on at the moment.

Have you ever considered that God commands us to forgive, not to set the other person free, but to set ourselves free.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Radrook]

Hi radrook,

Now you're just not being truthful. I've never said anything about being offended. You likely have me confused with someone else.

Your claim that denial of perceiving accusations doesn't prove that accusations are absent. It merely proves your reluctance to admit that accusations are present. That also is not a true statement. Denial of perceiving accusations would only prove ones reluctance to admit that accusations are present-----wait for it----if accusations are present. Denial of perceiving accusations, if accusations are not present, but someone claims that they are, would just be an honest response to the claim.

I'm curious now to read your book. What's the title?

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Sorry! I thought you were the one who found my reference to Satan's meat hooks offensive.
About the novel, thanks for the interest. I have never attempted to get it published so it remains in a manuscript form. It is based on what was then my understanding of events which precede Armageddon and which involve the government's official ban all the practice of all regions. That I believed corresponded to Harlot being attacked by the wild beast.

It focused on the life of one individual and how he faced the fulfillment of prophecy just prior to Armageddon within the context of Christianity's persecution during that time and ends with a brief description of Armageddon itself.

The novel has been in its box for approx. seven yes so the details are becoming a bit hazy. Also, I am sure that it can profit from some editing. I can't recall the title at this moment.

 

[Radrook]

Hi radrook,

Yes, and I had an uncle who was killed in a bar fight over a motorcycle. I had a cousin who we believe her husband set fire to their house and she was killed in the conflagration of the home. He was never held accountable either. Your loss is sad for you and I can appreciate your personal involvement in this issue, but I think you're letting your anger, frustration and feeling of impotence to exact punishment for the wrongdoer cloud your judgment.

Such a device that would somehow be fatal to someone for the purpose of making it unremovable opens up a whole spectrum of technical snafus that might make the device kill its host in ways not considered. This might be a good time to step back and ask WWJD? Forgive them. Forgive those who wrong you. Just forgive them. Don't worry friend, they'll get their just rewards. You don't have to be the one to give it to them. Jesus said that God is going to forgive us in the same manner that we have forgiven those who sin against us. That might be a good piece of Scripture to dwell on at the moment.

Have you ever considered that God commands us to forgive, not to set the other person free, but to set ourselves free.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

I agree with your assessment of the danger that is involved in permitting governments to introduce such a device into every human brain at birth. I also agree with the advice given us to forgive and that heeding such advice does liberate the person from constant anxiety and hatred of people who have wronged him.

However, the need to know exactly where the criminally inclined, such as formally convicted serial killers and rapists, are at all times remains and I have absolutely no respect for the privacy or right to secrecy of location for anyone with such a criminal mentality.