Should all Humans get Unremovable Brain Implant Microchips at Birth?

[Radrook]

I would never sacrifice freedom and privacy for the delusion of security... I would never trust human government to run such a system... If people believe that Government is good and can be trusted then they are sadly mistaken..

No, I am not claiming that humans can be trusted 100%. Yet for the sake of sanity and human survival we do have to trust our governments with our welfare. In fact, in democracies we vote in order to have the government look after our welfare via making decisions on our behalf.

Part of those decisions are in relation to law enforcement and control and reduction of criminal activity. So we approve of the government's deployment of a police force. In fact, we approve of the government's establishing a military force for our protection from military aggression as well.

So trusting our governments in such issues isn't anything unusual or inherently repugnant.
In fact, the bible tells us to do so.

Rom 13: 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

 

[Shemjaza]

There isn't a government on this planet that I world trust with that kind of power over their people. Some kind of ad hoc coalition would be worse.

The kind of fascist government that is comfortable with dangerous unteversible surgery on its citizens is something to be fought, not accepted.

 

[Dave-W]

Even sacrificing one's possibility of staying saved and away from the grace of God by taking such a microchip too?

Are you equating the 666 mark with a microchip? On what grounds?

 

[Radrook]

What if the criminal wishes to change? You have those who finds salvation and become devote Christians. If they'd have a michrochip in them for life they will never truly be free as a humanbeing, and most likely never will feel as anyone nor the government can trust them enough to manage building up a new life.

Even criminals to should have the right to getting saved, they are no less suitable for this as everyone else.

They are totally free to be Christians and have nothing to fear from the government. Those who are described as having something to fear from the government are evildoers.

Rom 13:4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

BTW
In a society where everyone, including the president himself, is chipped there is absolutely logical reason to feel that we are being discriminated against via being chipped.

 

[Adstar]

No, I am not claiming that humans can be trusted 100%. Yet for the sake of sanity and human survival we do have to trust our governments with our welfare. In fact, in democracies we vote in order to have the government look after our welfare via making decisions on our behalf.

Part of those decisions are in relation to law enforcement and control and reduction of criminal activity. So we approve of the government's deployment of a police force. In fact, we approve of the government's establishing a military force for our protection from military aggression as well.

So trusting our governments in such issues isn't anything unusual or inherently repugnant.
In fact, the bible tells us to do so.

No the Bible makes it clear in the book of revealtion that we should never recieve a mark in our foreheads or in our hands.. So i would never recieve any chip in my body.. Ever..

 

[RDKirk]

So then we have the problem of what level of crime would cause one to have this tag in them for the rest of their lives? Because having this tag would be a life sentance.. If you got caught speeding would you get the chip along with the speeding ticket...

Reminds me of a series of SF novels and stories by Larry Niven regarding "organlegging." In his stories, the science of body part transplants has become completely perfected and organ harvesting has become the punishment of capital crimes.

So it was a natural progression of society to begin legislating smaller and smaller crimes as "capital."

 

[RDKirk]

No the Bible makes it clear in the book of revealtion that we should never recieve a mark in our foreheads or in our hands.. So i would never recieve any chip in my body.. Ever..

Make sure you're not holding a phone in your hand when you hold it to your head.

 

[Martyr's Crown]

Are you equating the 666 mark with a microchip? On what grounds?

It is mostly a possibility. Looking at what is written in Revelation 13; 16-17:

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

And I did read online some years ago about Digital Angel, there was a website they had of a lot of information about what good it would do to society getting a microchip implant. Everything was written in such a pleasent manner that most people would have found it such an excellent idea having this in society. Everyone will be monitored 27/4, everywhere you go will be located, even everything you do will be noted and watched over whenever it fits the government. No parents need to worry about teenagers trying to runaway as they can quickly find them back by just locating them through their microchip implant, even the thought of microchipping babies from the moment they are born too, if someone get's wounded or sick they can get very quick or almost immediate help by a helicopter nearby, e.t.c... Sadly this website got put down so when I wanted to find it again it wasn't findable anymore online, or at least not the one I saw which was very full of information about this and the system plans for society.

Imagine if such a system takes a greater part in society until it get's to the point that everyone should have it? As during the reign of the Antichrist those who wont become a part of the new world government made for the last generation will not be seen as acceptable in the world's eyes.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not just irremovable but tamper-proof by making sure that any attempted removal would prove fatal. That would provide law enforcement agencies with the ability to easily locate any felon for apprehension purposes. In short, unfindable or difficult to locate culprits, such as Bin Laden, would be a thing of the past.

What a novel idea!

They could implant them in their right hands or their foreheads.

 

[miamited]

Hi radrook,

Thanks for your response. You wrote:

But making the Earth safer by making such sickoes less likely to escape detection isn't a sin. In fact, it might very rightfully be considered a duty or as n expression of love for our neighbor via showing concern for his welfare..

I have a problem when someone tries to tell me that the use of some new and improved technology of man is now a duty that God expects of us. Didn't God say in the beginning that everything was good? Did Abraham have a chip? How is it that for 6,000 years the earth has endured without chip technology, but now that man has conceived it, it's use is a 'duty' to God?

How do you know that making the Earth safer by making such sickoes less likely to escape detection isn't a sin? You make that claim as if you have some Scriptural support to make it. Where is your faith and trust in God? I don't find anywhere in the Scriptures where God seems to infer or imply or say to us that it's our duty to catch all the criminals, all the wrongdoers of the world.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[AV1611VET]

I would never sacrifice freedom and privacy for the delusion of security... I would never trust human government to run such a system... If people believe that Government is good and can be trusted then they are sadly mistaken..

What if it was a one-world government?

 

[Adstar]

Make sure you're not holding a phone in your hand when you hold it to your head.

Why would i have any trouble doing that???? The chip is not within my physical body right? So no problems..

 

[Radrook]

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No the Bible makes it clear in the book of revealtion that we should never recieve a mark in our foreheads or in our hands.. So i would never recieve any chip in my body.. Ever..

The Mark of the wild beast is understood to mean that you cast a vote for some political party and thus identified yourself with Satan's political system of things which is inherently a defective system and the reason why it bears the mark of imperfection 666 to the emphatic third degree as opposed to 777 which would be perfection to the emphatic third degree..

So from that particular theological interpretational standpoint if you are a voter you already have the mark of the beast on your forehead via giving mental approval and on your hand via casting vote in support of Satan's system of things as represented by world governments symbolized by that beast..



Here is where that viewpoint can be found:
What Does 666 Mean? What Is the Mark of the Beast? | Bible Questions

 

[Adstar]

What if it was a one-world government?

The greater the power the more the corrupt will strive to rise to a position within that power structure.. So a one world power would be worse then a nation state power..

 

[Rion]

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Adstar]

The Mark of the wild beast is understood to mean that you cast a vote for some political party and thus identified yourself with Satan's political system of things which is inherently a defective system and the reason why it bears the mark of imperfection 666.

So from that particular theological interpretational standpoint if you are a voter you already have the mark of the beast on your forehead via giving mental approval and on your hand via casting vote in support of Satan's system of things as represented by world governments symbolized by that beast..



Here is were that viewpoint can be found:
What Does 666 Mean? What Is the Mark of the Beast? | Bible Questions

Well i do not vote.. But anyway i can still buy and sell products and services even when i do not vote.. So that proves this theory about voting being the mark of the beast wrong.. Because when the true mark of the beast comes in one will be unable to buy or sell without it...

 

[AV1611VET]

The greater the power the more the corrupt will strive to rise to a position within that power structure.. So a one world power would be worse then a nation state power..

Well, for the record, during the first 3½ years of the Tribulation, the Mark will be optional; during the last 3½ years, the Mark will be mandatory.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Refusing the Mark will not be an option.

 

[Adstar]

Well, for the record, during the first 3½ years of the Tribulation, the Mark will be optional; during the last 3½ years, the Mark will be mandatory.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Refusing the Mark will not be an option.

Well maybe.... I do not buy into the 3 and a half years interpretation.. But i suspect that true christians will never be given the ""priviledge"" of taking the mark of the beast.. I believe the mark will be seen as a reward for those who worship the image of the beast... Note what verse preceeds Revelation 13: 16... remember context is critical..

Revelation 13: KJV
14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. {15} And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. {16} And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: {17} And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

See how the worship of the image comes before the mark of the beast? See how those who refuse to worship the image are killed for refusing to do so before the Mark of the beast is introduced.. I believe Christians will either be executed for not worshiping the beast or will be in hiding.. Either way i think the mark of the beast will be a reward for worshiping the image of the beast..

 

[AV1611VET]

See how the worship of the image comes before the mark of the beast?

Yes.

And this is just my take on this, but I think the Antichrist ... who is going to be a superscientist ... is going to perform an act of abiogenesis, which will have the scientists of the world flocking to him in droves to take the Mark and [thereby] learn more about evolution from his great teachings.

I believe then, that the theory of evolution is going to get worse, until Jesus comes back and puts an end to it Himself: possibly by taking some people back in time to 4004 BC and showing them that what happened was in accordance with Genesis 1.

 

[Radrook]

What could possibly go wrong?

Have you seen the film Lovely Bones where this girl is murdered and they were never able to locate her found body nor locate her murderer who turned out to be a next door neighbor?

There was this elderly fellow who was a serial killer who was only located after many years during which time he calmly and methodically murdered dozens of people. When asked during a televised interview at prison, he said he murdered because if he didn't murder he just couldn't sleep.