Should all Humans get Unremovable Brain Implant Microchips at Birth?

[Radrook]

Hi radrook,

Thanks for your response. You wrote:


I have a problem when someone tries to tell me that the use of some new and improved technology of man is now a duty that God expects of us. Didn't God say in the beginning that everything was good? Did Abraham have a chip? How is it that for 6,000 years the earth has endured without chip technology, but now that man has conceived it, it's use is a 'duty' to God?

How do you know that making the Earth safer by making such sickoes less likely to escape detection isn't a sin? You make that claim as if you have some Scriptural support to make it. Where is your faith and trust in God? I don't find anywhere in the Scriptures where God seems to infer or imply or say to us that it's our duty to catch all the criminals, all the wrongdoers of the world.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Remark:

I have a problem when someone tries to tell me that the use of some new and improved technology of man is now a duty that God expects of us.

Response:

If it harmonizes with loving neighbor as one's self-yes he does expect it or at the least would not disapprove of it. You see, moral duties and Christian obligations aren’t nullified simply because of an irrational aversion to improved technology. Also, your present willingness to use modern technology appears to contradict your aversion.

Proverbs 3:27 ►
Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act.

Remark:

Didn't God say in the beginning that everything was good?;

Response:

We aren’t living in that time.



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Remark:

Did Abraham have a chip? How is it that for 6,000 years the earth has endured without chip technology, but now that man has conceived it, it's use is a 'duty' to God?

Response:

If its general usage dovetails with some biblical mandate such as spreading the Gospel of salvation then it is a duty because refraining will negatively affect the dissemination of truth. Also, it becomes a duty if ort the diagnosis of a disease or making the environment safer is inextricably involved. Being primitive isn’t equal to being holier-you know? People were hacking themselves to death long before the atomic bomb showed up.
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Remark:

How do you know that making the Earth safer by making such sickoes less likely to escape detection isn't a sin?

Response:

That is a crazy totally nonsensical question that perhaps only a psychiatrist might be able to properly address.

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Remark:

You make that claim as if you have some Scriptural support to make it.

Response:

I already provided scriptural support which you glibly shunt aside as of no consequence without even taking the trouble to explain just how it is irrelevant.

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Remark

Where is your faith and trust in God?

Response:

My faith is alive and well. Bringing it into the discussion is an attempt at ad hominem.
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Remark:

I don't find anywhere in the Scriptures where God seems to infer or imply or say to us that it's our duty to catch all the criminals, all the wrongdoers of the world.

Response:

Maybe if you remove the self- imposed blinders you will.
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BTW
You aren’t objecting to your duty to catch criminals. You are objecting to the law enforcement’s duty to catch them and to enhance their ability to do so.

 

[miamited]

Hi radrook,

Well, I'm guessing that if you think it's some duty to God then you'll be first in line when the technology is available.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Radrook]

Hi radrook,

Well, I'm guessing that if you think it's some duty to God then you'll be first in line when the technology is available.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Why would I object? I'm not planning to steal, murder, rape, mug, child abuse and then successfully hide from the law.

 

[miamited]

Why would I object? I'm not planning to steal, murder, rape, mug, child abuse and then successfully hide from the law.

Hi radrook,

Right and that's why I said you'd be found first in line.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Radrook]

Hi radrook,

Right and that's why I said you'd be found first in line.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

I don't imagine myself racing to be first in line. I am just saying that if it were implemented for controlling certain people or at birth in order to keep tabs on where people are for preventive measures against crime, then it sounds like it would reduce the incidence of serial killings, murders like Jack the Ripper who casually faded into the London fog and was never caught.

Jack the Ripper - Wikipedia

Sometimes children mysteriously disappear because they are kidnapped. No one ever finds them and if they do they are often dead and their killers can't be located.

People lie in court about where they were during the time of a crime and sometimes escape punishment because it can't be proven otherwise. No sooner are certain prison inmates released the and they murder another person and cunningly melt into the population.

Criminals at Large

Maybe three or four more people die before the culprit is finally located if ever. For parents losing their children that way, the waiting can be very traumatizing-see the film Lovely Bones.

As a parent whose son tended to suddenly disappear from our sight in shopping malls at age three, I know just how indescribably painful such an experience can be. So my inclination, in view of all this, is that any technology that facilitates keeping track of people is helpful.

The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children

It doesn't mean that I agree that persons already adults should be forced into it. It only means that it makes sense to implement a means of keeping track of people from birth so they can be quickly apprehended or located if taken hostage or are lost. Nothing more.

 

[Sam91]

What about when Christianity gets banned. It is already stopping people being accepted to adopt sometimes, can be classed as child abuse to take a Child to Church if they don't want to go.

We are homophobes. Could be classed as preaching religious hatred. The way the world is going I can see us being very restricted soon in what we can and can't say.

 

[Radrook]

What about when Christianity gets banned. It is already stopping people being accepted to adopt sometimes, can be classed as child abuse to take a Child to Church if they don't want to go.

We are homophobes. Could be classed as preaching religious hatred. The way the world is going I can see us being very restricted soon in what we can and can't say.

Any technology can be taken to extremes. Even on technological essentially good things such as the eye, the hand, the foot can be put to destructive purposes. So in order to prevent such extremes you would need to go back to the stone age? But then you would be confronted with the bow and arrow, the spear, the flaking obsidian blades that could also be used for destructive purposes. Airplanes are essentially neutral machines. But load bombs on them and there we go again. A gun can be used for hunting. Aim it at a human in anger and again there we go.

It isn't the technology that is to be feared but the mind of mankind and its pernicious tendencies.

What technological advances triggered the Inquisition? The Protestant vs Catholics bloody religious wars? The cannons? The compass? the Musket? The improved armor? If it hadn't been with theses mankind would have used rocks and bare fists.

Sooner or later microchips will be implanted in the brain in order to augment our thinking capabilities. This has been considered not only in fiction but it is indeed part of medical treatment involving the control of epileptic seizures and in allowing paraplegics and quadriplegics to again some measure of control over their surroundings via computer interfaces. All for a good purpose.

Can it be used by the malevolently minded for a bad purpose? In this wicked controlled world-of course. But that reality cannot be allowed to stop us from our innovations and our seeking to apply our advances in technology to improve the social human environment.

 

[Sam91]

Any technology can be taken to extremes. Even on technological essentially good things such as the eye, the hand, the foot can be put to destructive purposes. So in order to prevent such extremes you would need to go back to the stone age? But then you would be confronted with the bow and arrow, the spear, the flaking obsidian blades that could also be used for destructive purposes. Airplanes are essentially neutral machines. But load bombs on them and there we go again. A gun can be used for hunting. Aim it at a human in anger and again there we go.

It isn't the technology that is to be feared but the mind of mankind and its pernicious tendencies.

What technological advances triggered the Inquisition? The Protestant vs Catholics bloody religious wars? The cannons? The compass? the Musket? The improved armor? If it hadn't been with theses mankind would have used rocks and bare fists.

Sooner or later microchips will be implanted in the brain in order to augment our thinking capabilities. This has been considered not only in fiction but it is indeed part of medical treatment involving the control of epileptic seizures and in allowing paraplegics and quadriplegics to again some measure of control over their surroundings via computer interfaces. All for a good purpose.

Can it be used by the malevolently minded for a bad purpose? In this wicked controlled world-of course. But that reality cannot be allowed to stop us from our innovations and our seeking to apply our advances in technology to improve the social human environment.

I would rather be able to hide a little, help and meet up with other Christians if we get persecuted until the time to die for my faith. If it comes to it in my life time. A microchip would get in the way of going underground

 

[Radrook]

I would rather be able to hide a little, help and meet up with other Christians if we get persecuted until the time to die for my faith. If it comes to it in my life time. A microchip would get in the way of going underground

Oh I see! You think that the Devil wants get you micro-chipped so he can easily locate and get his meat hooks into you. You got a point! Wasn't looking at it from that angle.

 

[Sam91]

Oh I see! You think that the Devil wants get you micro-chipped so he can easily locate and get his meat hooks into you. You got a point! Wasn't looking at it from that angle.

No. (That is offensive to me. I will try to not let it bother me. EDIT Failed, that did hurt and is an untrue reflection on what I said and meant)

I think the way things are going unless we adjust our beliefs to accept things that aren't Biblical we could be classed as extremists, guilty of hate crimes, homophobes, hating other religions... all for quoting the Bible. If Christianity gets marginalised I would like to meet up with other Christians who read the Bible too.(Rather than those who change beliefs to fit in with the world). At which point that could be classed as a Cell... and urgh... anyway could easily end up a renegade in a decade if society keeps decaying as fast as it has in the last 8 years.

 

[miamited]

Hi radrook,

Yes, but if someone commits a crime and gets away with it on earth, that's ok. There will be justice. Know and understand this. There have, since the dawn of time, been all sorts of 'new and improved' methods and techniques that were always going to catch criminals and help investigators find criminals and help in the processing of evidence. Yet, here we sit today with crime. Is this an electronic device? Is it somehow going to be run through computer technology? Then it can be hacked. It can be thwarted. You say it would be put in the body someway that it couldn't be removed. What planet do you live on? I'm curious just exactly 'how' you see that happening? We live in a day when medical technology can take the heart out of a man's chest and he'll still live. You think we can devise some way to implant a chip that cannot be removed? What's it going to do? Explode? What would trigger the explosion? Maybe a traffic accident?

I can see it now. I'm driving along with my wife and we rear end another car and her head just explodes all over the front seat and head liner of the car. It would be cheaper than divorce.

I mean your scenario says that it couldn't be removed. Why not?


God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Radrook]

No. (That is offensive to me. I will try to not let it bother me.)

I think the way things are going unless we adjust our beliefs to accept things that aren't Biblical we could be classed as extremists, guilty of hate crimes, homophobes, hating other religions... all for quoting the Bible. If Christianity gets marginalised I would like to meet up with other Christians who read the Bible too.(Rather than those who change beliefs to fit in with the world). At which point that could be classed as a Cell... and urgh... anyway could easily end up a renegade in a decade if society keeps decaying as fast as it has in the last 8 years.

My apologies. I was not trying to offend.

Yes, I see your point. You imagine a world gradually becoming so ungodly that it gets to consider Christians as insufferably antisocial and disruptive.

Please note that such a situation did exist during first century Christianity and lasted for approx. 300 years. During that time the pagan world viewed Christianity as haters of mankind because they rejected all the gods, refused to serve in the Roman legions, refused to burn incest to the emperor, refused to fornicate or commits adultery or become enmeshed in the world's politics. That fulfilled Jesus' prophecy that they would be hated on account of his name and because they were not part of the world.

John 15:19 ►
New International Version
If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

But that isn't the condition we have today except for a few denominations which strive might and main to live as first-century Christians did. For the most part, most professed Christians participate in all the world's bloody wars and politics, fornicate, commit adultery. All of Hitler's soldiers were professed Christians actually as were Mussolini's. They celebrated Christmas in the trenches, went to confession and even had their priests there to help them feel right while doing it.

So I really don't see how the world will turn against such organizations which seem to fit right in with its agendas. However, if you do belong to one of those denominations that do strive to live as first-century Christians did, then of course getting micro-chipped will be a hindrance if Satan's world suddenly decides it wants to eliminate you.

BTW
I wrote a novel in which that situation occurred and Christians were faced with its consequences.

 

[miamited]

Oh I see! You think that the Devil wants get you micro-chipped so he can easily locate and get his meat hooks into you. You got a point! Wasn't looking at it from that angle.

Hi radrook,

I doubt that's what sam meant at all. The Scriptures tell us that a time is coming when there will be persecution like has never been seen before. It pretty well describes that the whole world is going to rise up against the saints of Christ. When that time comes, and if we've all been chipped by the government, then it'll be more difficult to hide from our persecutors. Granted Satan would likely be the driving force behind all of that effort, but it will be man and the technology of man that could likely spell the doom of many, many believers.

While neither of us knows the future, such a system could likely just as easily be used to catch murderers as well as all those who own Honda motorcycles or drive 2014 Hyundai Sonatas. That's the problem with humans and technology. Sure, most new technology starts out being lauded as some great thing that would help everybody, but then people figure out how to use it to kill or harm others. Take firearms as an example. Neat little tool for bringing in food from the forest. Not so neat when some gangsta uses it to blow your brains all over the sidewalk.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Sam91]

I do see it getting that way. I didn't think 8 years ago the goverment would have caused so much angst against the disabled and the nation would go along in hating them whilst it was in the media. That seems to have died down now. But people didn't mind actually bullying those with disabilities for a couple of years.

I wouldn't have expected to see such a lack of empathy towards refugees.

I thought people would be up in arms about kids not having enough food that foodbanks now help so many people.

I didn't think I would see the day where a parent could be labelled as abusive for taking a child along to church with them if they didn't want to go. It is against the child's human rights to be forced to go to church.

Today I had to pray for a couple to be successful in adopting two children. The last few attempts have been blocked because they are Christian. However, homosexual couples can adopt no problem... because having two Dads is less of a problem than religious beliefs having the potential of corrupting a child?

I'm not going to waste my time worrying over it but that is why I would never support a microchip in any member of the population's body. Because once it is in one section it won't be too long before the laws change to include more. Then when people are used to it, everyone.

 

[Radrook]

Hi radrook,

Yes, but if someone commits a crime and gets away with it on earth, that's ok. There will be justice. Know and understand this. There have, since the dawn of time, been all sorts of 'new and improved' methods and techniques that were always going to catch criminals and help investigators find criminals and help in the processing of evidence. Yet, here we sit today with crime. Is this an electronic device? Is it somehow going to be run through computer technology? Then it can be hacked. It can be thwarted. You say it would be put in the body someway that it couldn't be removed. What planet do you live on? I'm curious just exactly 'how' you see that happening? We live in a day when medical technology can take the heart out of a man's chest and he'll still live. You think we can devise some way to implant a chip that cannot be removed? What's it going to do? Explode? What would trigger the explosion? Maybe a traffic accident?

I can see it now. I'm driving along with my wife and we rear end another car and her head just explodes all over the front seat and head liner of the car. It would be cheaper than divorce.

I mean your scenario says that it couldn't be removed. Why not?


God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Comment:

Yes, but if someone commits a crime and gets away with it on earth, that's ok. There will be justice. Know and understand this.

Response:

I find that suggestion offensive but will ignore it as well.
Yes, being a Christian I do know and I do understand it that thee will be ultimate justice.

So my suggestion isn’t based on lack of faith in God’s ultimate plans nor lack of faith in his ability to carry it out. My suggestion is merely based on our human responsibility to use our faculties to make our lives better during the tie that we are awaiting God’s kingdom to provide a final and permanent solutions promised in the Bible.

Daniel 2:44 ►

New International Version
"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

2 Peter 3:13 ►

New International Version
But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

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Remark:

There have, since the dawn of time, been all sorts of 'new and improved' methods and techniques that were always going to catch criminals and help investigators find criminals and help in the processing of evidence. Yet, here we sit today with crime.

Response:

That doesn’t justify the totally disinterested attitude you seem to be suggesting is best but which is really a recipe for social disaster..

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Remark:

What planet do you live on?

Response:

Not yours obviously.

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Remark:

I'm curious just exactly 'how' you see that happening?

Response:
I haven’t worked out the exact details. But its all on my drawing board next to my patent application.

Remark:

We live in a day when medical technology can take the heart out of a man's chest and he'll still live.

Response:

Ripping people's hearts out? Ummm, Wasn’t that suppose to have stopped with the Aztecs?


Remark:

You think we can devise some way to implant a chip that cannot be removed?

Response:
Since that seems utterly insurmountable to you please enumerate the reasons why.

Remark:

What's it going to do? Explode? What would trigger the explosion? Maybe a traffic accident?I can see it now. I'm driving along with my wife and we rear end another car and her head just explodes all over the front seat and head liner of the car. It would be cheaper than divorce.

I mean your scenario says that it couldn't be removed. Why not?

Response:

Reducto Ad aburdum?
Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia

BTW

Sure it can be removed. It’s just not conducive to a long life to attempt it.

 

[-Hannah-]

Radrook, You are reminding me of an article I've read about tourism in North Korea. The tourists visited a school, so the students could tell them all about the wonderful things of North Korea, being safety their main point. There they were: twenty students talking about the peace of a country where the government is the one who rapes, murders and violates the most basic human rights for the sake of (what they call!) safety. People in North Korea believe they must live like this, otherwise they wouldn't be safe. Their prisons are full of innocent people (and their entire families!); some people don't even know why they are there and what's beyond the fences. If people speak to the orphans, who are hungry and collect crumbs from the ground, they are severely punished. People get shot on the spot because they watched a Hollywood movie. All for their own good, so they won't become another country with a criminal rate, as the free world. They can be safe, because their government is the only one allowed to be the criminal. This is what Humans do when they taste the power of controlling others.
You are looking at the government as if it were a loving and caring parent. You see this chip as a safety measure, but this would be used as a controlling tool to both innocent and guilty. If God created us with a chip like that, He would be considered a tyrant.

I don't post this to argue against your view; I'm worried about you. I will pray for you until you put your trust solely in God.

 

[morse86]

What utter rubbish. There are no brain implantable chips. You only see that on the telievision.

Does anyone actually read and verify? Do you all just believe by faith?

 

[-Hannah-]

What utter rubbish. There are no brain implantable chips. You only see that on the telievision.

Does anyone actually read and verify? Do you all just believe by faith?

There's no chip (at least for now). We are in the "what if this was a possibility, what would you think about that?" land. I don't even watch television. But if I find a certain interview with the CEO of D-Wave systems, I'll share with you. I think he mentioned something that would make way to a chip close to this, but my memory may be fooling me.

 

[Radrook]

Radrook, You are reminding me of an article I've read about tourism in North Korea. The tourists visited a school, so the students could tell them all about the wonderful things of North Korea, being safety their main point. There they were: twenty students talking about the peace of a country where the government is the one who rapes, murders and violates the most basic human rights for the sake of (what they call!) safety. People in North Korea believe they must live like this, otherwise they wouldn't be safe. Their prisons are full of innocent people (and their entire families!); some people don't even know why they are there and what's beyond the fences. If people speak to the orphans, who are hungry and collect crumbs from the ground, they are severely punished. People get shot on the spot because they watched a Hollywood movie. All for their own good, so they won't become another country with a criminal rate, as the free world. They can be safe, because their government is the only one allowed to be the criminal. This is what Humans do when they taste the power of controlling others.
You are looking at the government as if it were a loving and caring parent. You see this chip as a safety measure, but this would be used as a controlling tool to both innocent and guilty. If God created us with a chip like that, He would be considered a tyrant.

I don't post this to argue against your view; I'm worried about you. I will pray for you until you put your trust solely in God.

Thanks but my trust is not in a chip. It is in God's kingdom to remove all the suffering and problems by taking full control of human affairs as I REPEATEDLY have explained before.

Tel me-do you like people to accuse you of things despite your explanations to the contrary?
I assume you do not. Then why do it to others? I truly pray that you will realize that lying about what someone else believes despite the person's explanations is not godly behavior but is Satanic instead and definitely not Christian conduct..

 

[-Hannah-]

Tel me-do you like people to accuse you of things despite your explanations to the contrary?
I assume you do not. Then why do it to others? I truly pray that you will realize that lying about what someone else believes despite the person's explanations is not godly behavior but is Satanic instead and definitely not Christian conduct..

(Satanic behavior? Wow!)
There's no accusation in my words. I wish I had someone praying that I trusted in God only. Everyday I need that. Everyday I pray for that. It's not a given, when we live in a world where is rational to fear humans.
I wish I hadn't offended you. For that I apologize. It wasn't my intention to be read in that manner. I hope you can forgive me.