Shooting - The Democrats Won

[probinson]

No. And why are you evading my point?

Again, not only is there no evidence for your claim, it is a priori highly implausible - it is very difficult to believe that among the tens of millions who believe Donald Trump needs to be kept out of the White House, there are significant numbers who actually wish the assassination attempt succeeded.

Not sure what social media you're on, but there were all kinds of posts and comments on TikTok, Instagram and Twitter (X) lamenting the fact that the shooter missed and hoping that the next shooter will be more accurate. I can post them if you'd like to see them. Not only the posts themselves, but the thousands of comments nodding in agreement.

This is precisely we kind of divisive rhetoric we do not need at this time.

Oh, there's all kinds of divisive rhetoric that we do not need at this time. However, calling out people who lament that Trump isn't dead isn't "divisive rhetoric".

 

[Belk]

They go on and on about Trump being the worst person on earth who must be stopped at all costs.

And they've supposedly made up for that by tossing out a few platitudes?

All those posting all over the internet they are sad or angry it wasn't successful are at least being honest.

Oh? You mean giving a speech how you have to "fight like hell" but tossing in a "march peacefully" is not enough?

 

[ozso]

No.

Well that's who I was talking about. So there's no reason for you to take it personally and go on a tirade over it.

And why are you evading my point?

Again, not only is there no evidence for your claim, it is a priori highly implausible - it is very difficult to believe that among the tens of millions who believe Donald Trump needs to be kept out of the White House, there are significant numbers who actually wish the assassination attempt succeeded.

This is precisely we kind of divisive rhetoric we do not need at this time.

 

[ozso]

Oh? You mean giving a speech how you have to "fight like hell" but tossing in a "march peacefully" is not enough?

No I don't mean that since have no idea what you're talking about. But I doubt that it's actually applicable.

But wait and see if they tone down their over exaggerated rhetoric about what a Hitlerian threat to humanity Trump is.

 

[Belk]

No I don't mean that since have no idea what you're talking about. But I doubt that it's actually applicable.

But wait and see if they tone down their over exaggerated rhetoric about what a Hitlerian threat to humanity Trump is.

It was a big talking point by those who defended Trumps actions on Jan 6th. Either a single utterance of peace is enough or it is not. This looks to me a whole lot like a double standard. Trump busted every political norm in labeling those who disagreed with him and was defended. Now suddenly the shoe is on the other foot and it is an issue? Seems like nothing more then an attempt to silence the opposition.

 

[Saucy]

I think that Trump is saying "Fight" while shaking his fist. But whatever he is saying, it's clear that his supporters were moved by such a display of defiance. Meanwhile Biden is clearly denouncing any political violence, calling for unity. Now Trump is also calling for unity. I now need to ask the question, what kind of patriotism led the people to choose the fighter Barrabas over the peacemaker Christ?

Biden is the peacemaker here? LOL he's the instigator! So are all the other Democrats. Didn't Biden say just before the shooting that we need to put Trump in the "bullseye"?

Isn't it all the Democrats who say Trump is an existential threat to Democracy and he's literally Hitler and will become a dictator, etc, etc, etc? Do you really think they will stop using that kind of language? No, they won't. They will keep fearmongering to the left and the left will buy into it because that's what they do. All of this will be forgotten in a week and the vitriol will ramp back up.

Good article:

For months, the message from the White House and Wilmington was as stark as it was simple: This year’s election amounts to an existential choice between a defender of democracy and a destroyer of democracy. Nothing less than the future of America is at stake.

And then the bullets started flying.

For Biden, How to Cool the Temperature Without Freezing His Campaign

Former President Donald J. Trump has gone from being an instigator of political violence to a victim of it. The assassination attempt raised questions about how far language should go in a heated campaign.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Laodicean60]

What will move people is that fist in the air

How do you view the fist in the air? I'm sure both sides will view it differently depending on the innuendos from the media.

 

[ozso]

It was a big talking point by those who defended Trumps actions on Jan 6th. Either a single utterance of peace is enough or it is not. This looks to me a whole lot like a double standard. Trump busted every political norm in labeling those who disagreed with him and was defended. Now suddenly the shoe is on the other foot and it is an issue? Seems like nothing more then an attempt to silence the opposition.

So they should keep making over exaggerated claims about Trump being the biggest threat to humanity on earth. Got it.

 

[Saucy]

Why? None of those things changed. He is still all of those things. Still a convicted felon. Still an accused rapist and pedophile. Still a horrible human being. Maybe you've stumbled onto another possible motive: to silence the left's criticisms. So far, it appears to be an inside job after all.

Yet, you still will vote for Biden when he is a terrible person. He's a first-rate racist (and has been his entire political career). He's an accused rapist. Many see him as a pedophile since he can't keep his hands off kids and enjoys sniffing them, much less the accusations his own daughter made against him. Oh, but shrug all that off, will you? He's still a decent man, right?!

 

[expos4ever]

Well that's who I was talking about. So there's no reason for you to take it personally and go on a tirade over it.

You are trying to edit your post after the fact - you never referred to "the radical left". You refer to those who think Trump needs to be defeated at all costs.

You have taken the concept of "at all costs" and mangled it to include assassination. Just how absurd this is can be easily appreciated through the following scenario. Imagine that the Chairman of Coca Cola tells his senior executives that "we must win our battle with Pepsi at all costs". Is he suggesting we should kill employees of Coca Cola?

Of course not

You are engaging in precisely the kind of inflammatory rhetoric we do not need at this delicate time.

 

[Saucy]

Well, considering Twitter trended with "you had one shot" and other disgusting things, and you can easily browse TikTok, YouTube, and other places and find scores of liberals who are legitimately angry Trump survived. But sure, Biden said some nice things for a day.

If you don't believe me, here are just a few wrapped up in a nice package:

 

[wing2000]

Well, considering Twitter trended with "you had one shot" and other disgusting things, and you can easily browse TikTok, YouTube, and other places and find scores of liberals who are legitimately angry Trump survived. But sure, Biden said some nice things for a day.

If you don't believe me, here are just a few wrapped up in a nice package:

Well, what Saucy? One can chose to focus on all kinds of extreme positions in social media. What will you chose to do?

 

[Saucy]

Well, what Saucy? One can chose to focus on all kinds of extreme positions in social media. What will you chose to do?

I'm going to Disneyland!

 

[durangodawood]

How do you view the fist in the air? I'm sure both sides will view it differently depending on the innuendos from the media.

Tough guy projecting. Nothing wrong with that tho. Its part of his image and he should definitely run with it.

 

[durangodawood]

I'm going to Disneyland!

One of my bands got to open for these guys. They were great!

 

[expos4ever]

Of course there are scores of "liberals" who are deranged and wish the attempt had succeeded!

A "score" is 20. Are there, say, 50 times 20 people who wished the assassination attempt at succeeded? No doubt there are. But no doubt the overwhelming majority of those who oppose the election of Mr Trump are happy the attempt failed

 

[bèlla]

I don't know what's crazier. Wishing someone was dead or comparing Biden's and Trump's character. Neither are worthy of emulation but that goes out the window with politics. We'll get what we deserve and rightly so.

~bella

 

[expos4ever]

Not sure what social media you're on, but there were all kinds of posts and comments on TikTok, Instagram and Twitter (X) lamenting the fact that the shooter missed and hoping that the next shooter will be more accurate. I can post them if you'd like to see them. Not only the posts themselves, but the thousands of comments nodding in agreement.

You are cherry picking. If you have evidence that even as low a figure as 10% of those who oppose Trump wish the attempt had succeeded, then by all means present it. Sure, I can easily believe thousands of anti-trump Americans wish the attempt had succeeded.

But I will bet millions of never-Trumpers are glad that it did not.

 

[Saucy]

Of course there are scores of "liberals" who are deranged and wish the attempt had succeeded!

A "score" is 20. Are there, say, 50 times 20 people who wished the assassination attempt at succeeded? No doubt there are. But no doubt the overwhelming majority of those who oppose the election of Mr Trump are happy the attempt failed

I certainly hope so. The majority of the liberals I personally know (and yes, I know a good handful) have been posting that the whole thing is a hoax or a set-up to give Trump sympathy. I've even seen those overtones in here. I'm certain there are a few good people on the left who are glad the attempt failed. That's just not the overwhelming response I've seen so far. It's been few and far between. I actually agree with Biden. No one should die because of political differences. I'm glad he came out and said what he said, even if I think he instigated some of it. The very people who say "words are violence" haven't been very careful with their own rhetoric and now that it has led to actual violence the overwhelming reaction from the left isn't to tone it down.

The Democrats need to own this, but they refuse.

 

[probinson]

You are cherry picking.

No, I'm telling you what I've seen.

If you have evidence that even as low a figure as 10% of those who oppose Trump wish the attempt had succeeded, then by all means present it.

Do I look like a pollster to you?

And how would one even determine this?

Picture this: a pollster calls you and asks, "Are you glad the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump was unsuccessful?" Not many people would answer "No" to that question. You're asking for evidence on how people feel.

Sure, I can easily believe thousands of anti-trump Americans wish the attempt had succeeded.

But I will bet millions of never-Trumpers are glad that it did not.

I'm sure that there are plenty of people that are glad it didn't succeed, and I'm sure there are plenty of people that wish it had succeeded. I have no idea what those percentages are and neither do you.