Sheol and Hades

[tonychanyt]

Isaiah 5:

14 Therefore Sheol [H7585] enlarges its throat and opens wide its enormous jaws, and down go Zion's nobles and masses, her revelers and carousers!

Strong's Concordance:

sheol: underworld (place to which people descend at death)

LXX translates "sheol" as "hades" [G86].

Strong's Concordance:

hadés: Hades, the abode of departed spirits

There is a popular belief that the dead have a conscious spirit existence in Sheol/Hades. I doubt that's the case.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Isaiah 5:


Strong's Concordance:


LXX translates "sheol" as "hades" [G86].

Strong's Concordance:


There is a popular belief that the dead have a conscious spirit existence in Sheol/Hades. I doubt that's the case.

Sounds to me like a leftover from folk mythology.

 

[tonychanyt]

Sounds to me like a leftover from folk mythology.

What makes you think that?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

What makes you think that?

One notable aspect of Sheol is that many of its earliest known traits are mirrored in the concepts of the afterlife seen in the Greek Hades and the Babylonian Arallû—strongly suggesting that they are commonly derived. Also, the Jewish understanding of Sheol developed similarly to the evolution of their neighbours’ beliefs about the afterlife. For example, the concept of Hades developed from an amoral, one-size-fits-all destination into a multichambered location where new entrants are separated by their rectitude. Like Sheol, Hades eventually became synonymous with its own designated place of punishment, Tartarus. Considering the strong influences that the Mesopotamians and Greeks had on Jewish culture, due to their occupation of Palestine at different times, it is therefore likely that the concept of Sheol and its subsequent changes came about through cultural transmission.

Sheol | Definition, Meaning in Hebrew Bible, & Facts | Britannica

Sheol, abode of the dead in the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament). The term can be interpreted to mean either the literal place in which dead people are placed (i.e., in the ground) or the ancient world’s concept of the afterlife as a subterranean “land of gloom and deep darkness” (Book of

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[Halbhh]

Isaiah 5:


Strong's Concordance:


LXX translates "sheol" as "hades" [G86].

Strong's Concordance:


There is a popular belief that the dead have a conscious spirit existence in Sheol/Hades. I doubt that's the case.

While I'd not think (even reading the bible 3 times fully through) to know every part of all the different situations of varied groups after they pass from the mortal world (which are in heaven already, which are not there yet, and so on), we do read that some of the dead become "spirits in prison" and then Christ came to proclaim to them the gospel (God isn't controlled by time, and can bring all from all time together at once): 1rst Peter 3:18-20, 4:6. So, then, some could respond then, and even have a change in status there... Just one of the many amazing things one can find if they read fully through all the Bible with a listening attitude.

 

[tonychanyt]

While I'd not think (even reading the bible 3 times fully through) to know every part of all the different situations of varied groups after they pass from the mortal world (which are in heaven already, which are not there yet, and so on), we do read that some of the dead become "spirits in prison" and then Christ came to proclaim to them the gospel (God isn't controlled by time, and can bring all from all time together at once): 1rst Peter 3:18-20, 4:6. So, then, some could respond then, and even have a change in status there... Just one of the many amazing things one can find if they read fully through all the Bible with a listening attitude.

Which part specifically do you think sounds like a leftover from folk mythology?

 

[Halbhh]

Which part specifically do you think sounds like a leftover from folk mythology?

None. Let me illustrate why> when any mythic story has some parallels at times with some things in the bible, that should not surprise, in that over time God sends dreams to very many, so it would therefore become likely that various writers have had at times partial or vague inklings or perhaps dreams they did not understand...even about some things that God might do without really knowing much about God -- and then told someone, or even wrote it down, and later in time that can then be incorporated into a myth.

Our bible on the other hand is full of accounts and stories that we recognize as more clearly and extensively inspired by God, instead of only having bits and hints.
God sent prophets to be sure we got it!

 

[eleos1954]

Isaiah 5:


Strong's Concordance:


LXX translates "sheol" as "hades" [G86].

Strong's Concordance:


There is a popular belief that the dead have a conscious spirit existence in Sheol/Hades. I doubt that's the case.

You are correct.

Ecclesiastes 9
King James Bible
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

We are mortal (subject to death) ... no such thing as a "immortal spirit"