She begs an interesting question

[Zaha Torte]

If this is true, then the threat of capital punishment is an immaterial, non-deterrent as well, because (as you said) they don't expect to be caught.

Some people are going to commit certain crimes no matter what - for whatever reason - sick in the head or in the soul - we don't know - threat of punishment deters those who are wavering on whether or not fulfilling their desire is worth the risk.

Just like how there will always be those who will seek thrills by participating in dangerous activities - despite the known risks - while the risks may convince others not to run with the bulls.

Proper diet and exercise will help everyone be healthier - and prevent various diseases and prolong life - but there will always be those who will get sick and die young regardless.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Information is the facts of the matter. Your opinion may differ as to how you interpret them.

Neither of the sources you referenced shared any of the evidence they claimed existed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So - another opinion piece about supposed evidence?

And I couldn't help but notice that the claims of these criminologists were about the death penalty's effect on criminals who had already "achieved long imprisonment"?

Do you consider rape to be a crime that achieves long imprisonment in this country? I don't - since the average range is only 4-19 years.

That's a long sentence for a single crime.

You are having an argument adjacent to mine.

 

[Zaha Torte]

That's a long sentence for a single crime.

You think four years is a long sentence for rape?

 

[Hans Blaster]

You think four years is a long sentence for rape?

You said 4-19 is an "average range". (Average and range are not compatible statistical concepts anyway.) 19 years *is* a long sentence for a single violent assault that doesn't result in death (sexual or otherwise).

So what is the typical sentence for forcible rape? (There are many legal grades of rape, not all of which are called "rape".)

 

[Zaha Torte]

You said 4-19 is an "average range". (Average and range are not compatible statistical concepts anyway.) 19 years *is* a long sentence for a single violent assault that doesn't result in death (sexual or otherwise).

So what is the typical sentence for forcible rape? (There are many legal grades of rape, not all of which are called "rape".)

I looked for the average in the US - which varies by State - so came to that range.

Considering that range - four years seems as likely as nineteen - and why don't you consider rape to be separate from other violent assaults?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I looked for the average in the US - which varies by State - so came to that range.

So no systematic determination, just "eyeballing it". Got it.

Considering that range - four years seems as likely as nineteen - and why don't you consider rape to be separate from other violent assaults?

I didn't say that.

 

[jacorian]

I guess you want to completely eliminate prisons, then.

Not at all. Our prison system is broken. I can't wrap my head around the amount of crime we have & what makes people want to do the most harm which would be murder, rape, terrorism, even scamming.

 

[rjs330]

I think we all.can agree that the threat of punishment is a deterrent to some, but not to others.

People have a tendency to consider risk vs reward. If the reward one perceives is greater than the risk we humans will.take it. Regardless of rhe punishment. How many here have sped down the road on purpose? Risk vs reward.

Sometimes we are also caught in the moment and don't consider the risk at all. We are overcome by our emotions and just do.

That being said, criminal punishment isn't just about deterrent. Nor is it just about punishment. It's both.

If it deters us becauae reward isnt worth risk, that's good. If it rhe reward still is higher than the risk for us, and we get caught then we deserve the punishment for taking the chance.

So we shouldn't fet all caught up in just looking at deterrence as the sole reason for a punishment. It's about justice which is more than that.

 

[essentialsaltes]

She's still aiming to get some attention. This time with a flamethrower to a Koran.

Like everyone else, I never have to bow down to any rocks, whether she's in Congress or not.

However, the Constitution guarantees the rights of those who do want to pray in that manner, so it's definitely better if she continues to stay out of Congress, since she doesn't appear to understand this.

 

[rambot]

I think we all.can agree that the threat of punishment is a deterrent to some, but not to others.

People have a tendency to consider risk vs reward. If the reward one perceives is greater than the risk we humans will.take it. Regardless of rhe punishment. How many here have sped down the road on purpose? Risk vs reward.

Sometimes we are also caught in the moment and don't consider the risk at all. We are overcome by our emotions and just do.

That being said, criminal punishment isn't just about deterrent. Nor is it just about punishment. It's both.

If it deters us becauae reward isnt worth risk, that's good. If it rhe reward still is higher than the risk for us, and we get caught then we deserve the punishment for taking the chance.

So we shouldn't fet all caught up in just looking at deterrence as the sole reason for a punishment. It's about justice which is more than that.

I would add that it also gives society thr optics of justice being seserved.