Sexual Sin- Questions and Comments

[LouisBooth]

in OT the marrage still had its cerimony..it was a hugh feast before they consimated the marriage..yes you need a public "showing" saying hey, we are married now.

 

[PrincessTracy]

There have always been "weddings"

Through out the bible the church is talked about as the "bride" and Jesus is referred to as the "bride groom"

There were Greek and Hebrew ceremonies. In fact there were even certain things men and women had to do to even become engaged. Weddings were not thought up by the catholic church... umm where was Jesus' first miracle preformed?

BTW Princess Bride is one of my fave all time movies too!!
"Did you say 'I do'? If you didn't say it, then you didn't do it!" (don't get me started I can quote the whole movie I think hehe) :lol:

Back to the original question, we all go through it. I've struggled with purity for years. I'm now engaged and my fiancee and I have made a commitment to the Lord and to each other that we will wait, but it still isn't easy. The best I can tell you is to keep praying and the Lord will give you strength.

Also I agree with Kevin, don't put yourself in a situation that is difficult to get out of, or even impossible. If you allow yourself in the wrong situation with the wrong person they could take from you what you don't want to give.
Not everyone is as worried about your purity and well being as you are. And sometimes people will say or do whatever they have to, to get what they want. I would really warn againest dating non-believers. Dating is like an interview for marriage and there is no since calling someone in for an interview that doesn't have the "skills or knowledge" for the job.

Pray without end!

In Christ Love,
Tracy

 

[EvilTeuf]

What do you mean by sexual sin? By most conservative Christians' standards, I'd be a terribly evil sinner... I feel fine with that. To quote both God and Popeye, I am what I am.

 

[JKnappGirl]

Sexual sin - lusting, touching inappropriately before marriage, sexual intercourse before marriage.

That is how I define sexual sin...anyone else have anything they want to add?

 

[Aquafina1]

Hey Chosen I just read your post.

I'm new so foorgive me if I overstep a few boundaries with what I am about to post. I read a few replies but not all so I may repeat someone.

As guys we are sexual beings and we think alot. Heck, most of the women in the world dress so skimpy that you cant help but start to fantasize. Its hard to be a guy in society and keep your thoughts pure.

But Ill be real with you, it gets harder. Its hard to not have sex before marriage and its hard to remain that way throughout all of the persecution. But god tells us to trust him with our heart, mind, and soul. he knows we are imperfect and he knows that we will make our mistakes. That is what kept Jesus on the cross.

I didnt have the luxery of being saved, I was lost for a long time and wandered the world of Teenage lust. To be honest sex is great, God intended it to be awesome. I will be honest and say that I enjoyed sex. But with sex comes consequences, relationships shatter and walls are built. There is a reason he suggests marriage before sex, not to be strict but to keep us safe.

Its hard to say no, and in your posts I was trully amazed at your honesty. How you said that you were afraid of what you would do without God is a very real statement. I think you have the right Idea, but the one thing that helped me out is finding the right friends.

Good Luck Bud

 

[WWJD777]

Check the sermon on the mount. Matt. 5. If you comit a doltery in your heart. ****ography for instance is a sin. Now I hope you know that sex out of mariage is bad, but if you want to make out till your lips fall of, go ahead aslong as she or he is a Christian. If this makes you feel gilty, stop. Wait. Whats your hurry?

 

[Athlon4all]

I agree, look in the Sermon on the Mount, particularly at Matt 5:28 (I think) . I hear ya Aquafina1. It's tough not to look! I really try to folllow what Matt. 5:28 says about not even looking, but I'd be guilty so often of this! I though do have the blessing of growing up in a Christian Household and being saved at an early age. Chosen, I hear ya! It's tough, and I too feel guilty when I even just look or fantasize, but I think that if you just pray that the Lord would protect you and keep you from going over the edge, he will help you! I am a weak Teenager, and really all I can do I feel is pray but that's not just for Teens but everyone! I think maybe one of the biggest things is too pray not only that he would keep your thoughts pure, but that he would help you be patient. WWJD777, It's not that simple as wait, these feelings are strong! Just to sum up, pray that the Lord would protect you and keep you strong and your thoughts pure. God Bless!

 

[Thunderchild]

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Re: Sexual Sin- Questions and Comments
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hey thunderchild-so is marriage by ceremony biblical, or just something society decided to do? and if it's just a ritual of society, then why do you support it?

Marriage by ceremony was not part of the Jewish system. Marriage was established on the basis of a contract signed between the groom and the father of the bride.

Lemme see now - What was it Paul said? Ah yes, here tis... 1Cr 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. Oh my. It wasn't the contract that made the two to be one flesh after all.

Now what was the Old Testament law regarding two people swyving before the contract was signed? Hmmmm... Oh, the penalty was death if the woman was betrothed. What if she wasn't?

Deu 22:28 If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Deu 22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
ACK.... It says there that the couple may NEVER be divorced. In the ordinary course, a marriage could be ended at the drop of a hat under OT law. ***by the way, the rendering of "lay hold on her and lie with her" does not constitute rape as some translations state. Rape is dealt with earlier in chapter 22, but if that does not convince....**Exd 22:16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.

Of course, it should not be necessary to mention that the penalty for a rapist in that earlier section being death, the corpse would a/ not make a suitable husband b/ not be able to sign the marriage contract c/ not have access to the cash so as to be able to meet the bride price.

 

[Thunderchild]

As to why I advocate marriage by ceremony, the answer should now be clear.

Taking the other course will almost inevitably result in someone following suit who is not convinced that it is right - in which case we would fall foul of scriptural admonition.

This problem does of course not arise in places where the mere claim to be married establishes a couple as being married, as unless the "without having a ceremony" is added, no-one would know the difference.

If a couple is forced to separate having entered into a relationship without the ceremony, a divorce has been decreed (note that **there will be terrible times in the last days, men will be (among other less than savoury things) forbidding marriage.**

While in principle I would not advocate that a couple enter into a marriage without a ceremony, there are circumstances where there may be no alternative to using the provisions that have been made (in some places) for common law marriage.

And there is a simple reason for advocating a ceremony - that when times get tough, as they will even in the best of marriages, the ceremony provides an anchor, and a pleasant trip down memory lane.

However, I have been informed recently (so far, no time to look it up) that in the earliest church, the leaders of those congregations would refuse to do the exchange rings bit because it was based in pagan precept.

 

[lisa03wilson]

sorry to jump in the middle of things here, but we learned in Latin that the romans used rings in marriage. They would wear iron rings on the third finger because that is where they believed the vein to the heart was.

 

[The Squalid Wanderer]

which is heretical.

The Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity, more commonly known as the Unification Church or the “Moonies,” is the religious movement oriented around the teachings and person of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Despite Moon’s goal of uniting all Christian groups, his unique teachings about the person and work of Christ are among many elements that make such unification impossible.

The Unification Church presents an understanding of God that is essentially monistic (i.e., God is one Person Who manifests Himself at different times as the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit). Regarding the Trinity, Young Oon Kim states, “Jesus and the Holy Spirit become one body centered on God; this is called ‘Trinity.’”

The Unification Church’s denial of the Trinity is a denial of the Deity of Christ. This denial is clearly seen in Moon’s statement, “Jesus, on earth, was a man no different from us except for the fact that he was without original sin.” Despite his belief that Christ was without original sin (i.e., the guilt of sin inherited from Adam), Moon denies the Virgin Birth, alleging that Christ was the half-brother of John the Baptist as the result of an incestuous relationship between Zechariah and the Virgin Mary.

A key point of Unification theology is that Christ failed in His role as Messiah. Christ’s mission, according to Moon, was to find “a bride, a Mother — another Eve. So God intended for this perfected Adam — Jesus Christ — to restore his bride, the perfected Eve.” Because Christ failed to marry, He was provided the crucifixion as a means of effecting “spiritual” salvation; nonetheless, “there is no one who has been cleansed of original sin. It is for this reason that the Messiah must appear again on earth, to liquidate our sins completely and establish the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, fulfilling God’s purpose for the Creation.” This “Messiah” who will fulfill God’s plan is the “Lord of the Second Advent” — the Rev. Sun Myung Moon.