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Sex: Entering into this physical union.....

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ILoveYeshua said:
was that really necessary?

Have you been following this sister's saga? She is not the hallmark of sound judgement and decision-making. I empathize with suffering she is in because of the choices she made, but she's not someone who's advice I would take to heart, and I think she would agree that she has made a long series of bad choices.
 
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Orchard said:
He's not old (unless you think 30 is old) but he is out of shape. He's not exactly fat (although he has put on weight since we got married) but he is definitely not fit. He has a very mentally intense job and sits at a desk all day. So his mind is fit but his body isn't. He gets no physical exercise whatsoever. I work out at the gym regularly, but he says he doesn't have the time to work out. I would love to do some kind of exercise together, but he won't do it.

Sigh.

I hate the excuse "I don't have time to exercise" from out-of-shape guys who seemed to find plenty of time to watch sports on TV and play around on the computer!
 
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Isn't it amazing what 20 minutes will do for you though?
I think that's what the guy needs. Excercise.
Sex is great excercise by the way.

It makes all the difference to my sense of well being throughout the day. I don't feel like a fat slug all day when I exercise.

Right you are about sex being a great exercise! Although if a man is too tired for it I don't know of a cure except maybe putting caffeine in his food to pep him up.;)
 
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Argent said:
I hate the excuse "I don't have time to exercise" from out-of-shape guys who seemed to find plenty of time to watch sports on TV and play around on the computer!

Well, that doesn't apply to my husband. He spends all his time working. He comes home from work at a reasonable hour, but then usually works from home for most of the evening.
 
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A simple morning workout routine:

Do 2 circuits of the following:
A: Alternating dumbbell curls, 2x10 lbs, 10 reps per arm.
B: Take those same weights, lift them above your head to do military press, 20 reps.
C: Squats with 2x25lbs, 25 reps
D: Calf raises with the same weights, max reps

DO 2 circuits of that, then finish with this:

E: 1x5lb wt, kneel down on hands and knees, do tricep kickbacks, max reps.
F: the other arm
G: 25 crunches
H: 25 pushups
I: Final stretch



If yer hubby won't do that for you, find SOMETHING that he will do. at least a portion of that routine. or try this:

1st day: 5 pushups, 5 crunches
2nd day: 6 pushups, 6 crunches
etc....

love = action.
 
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Argent said:
Would you care to eloborate on this?

I'm pretty sure she means that you can only speak for yourself. That's what you want, so you're stating it as if it applies to every marriage, which it doesn't.

Bliz, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Argent said:
Have you been following this sister's saga? She is not the hallmark of sound judgement and decision-making. I empathize with suffering she is in because of the choices she made, but she's not someone who's advice I would take to heart, and I think she would agree that she has made a long series of bad choices.

and because you continue to respond in such a nasty, mean way you have shown that your advice is not so sound either.
 
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Orchard said:
Well, that doesn't apply to my husband. He spends all his time working. He comes home from work at a reasonable hour, but then usually works from home for most of the evening.

Slavery was outlawed a hundred and forty years ago you know!
 
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Orchard said:
Tried that. It doesn't work. It's not that he doesn't want it. It's that he doesn't want it more than once a week, which is frustrating for me. I've tried acting seductive and tried dressing up in sexy lingerie, and nothing happens. It's incredibly humiliating to dress up like that and be rejected, so I won't do that again. We've done lots of talking about it, and he says he finds sex too tiring to do more than once a week. He's very affectionate, likes groping me and stuff on a daily basis, but will only have actual sex once a week. :cry:
I know what you mean. I've been there. It is extremely discouraging.
 
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Have you been following this sister's saga? She is not the hallmark of sound judgement and decision-making.
And how is this for you to determine?

I empathize with suffering she is in because of the choices she made, but she's not someone who's advice I would take to heart, and I think she would agree that she has made a long series of bad choices.
Unless you have been where she is you can't empathize (dictionary definition of empathy is, Direct identification with, understanding of, and vicarious experience of another person's situation, feelings, and motives at all.)

Also have you every heard of the saying, If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all? She comes here for help and gets slapped down and treated like a child. And IF (huge emphasis on IF) you are speaking the truth, you most certainly are not speaking it in love.

 
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Argent said:
Whooooaa! What's nasty and mean? I've just stated the truth.

Actually, I too thought you were being quite unfair to her.

Just because she's had a troubled history, does not mean she has nothing to offer here. If anything, it makes her more qualified to offer advice. Most people learn from their bad experiences and their mistakes.
 
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Mom to 5 said:
And how is this for you to determine?


There are those around all of us who have displayed poor judgement and suffered from the consequences of the that decision. There are also those around us, hopefully, who have consistently shown good decision-making and reaped the benefits. This has been my experience with people in my life. I trust it has been yours, as well. I think this is the case for most people. I was fortunate to be taught to learn from those people by observing the consequences of their actions, determine whether those consequences are beneficial or detrimental to that person and others; then, to model my behavior on one and avoid the other. This practice over a lifetime, including my own trial and error, is indeed how I can make this determination, and confidently share it with others.

My hope for this sister is that she will make decisions from this point onward with an idea of what the results most likely will be.



Mom to 5 said:
Unless you have been where she is you can't empathize (dictionary definition of empathy is, Direct identification with, understanding of, and vicarious experience of another person's situation, feelings, and motives at all.)
Mom to 5 said:
Also have you every heard of the saying, If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all? She comes here for help and gets slapped down and treated like a child. And IF (huge emphasis on IF) you are speaking the truth, you most certainly are not speaking it in love.

I really think that my capacity for empathy or any other emotional interaction with another human being is for me to determine, not you or your dictionary.

Obviously, I've offended you. I apologize. I do not mean to be cruel. I do think that there comes a time when some need to be confronted regarding their behavior, as you have felt was my case, and that coddling will discourage the individual from making the changes they so desperately need to make.

Again, I apologize for any offense.
 
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Orchard said:
Actually, I too thought you were being quite unfair to her.

I was not trying to offend anyone in anyway. I apologize.


Orchard said:
Just because she's had a troubled history, does not mean she has nothing to offer here. If anything, it makes her more qualified to offer advice.

I never said that she had nothing to offer. And she came seeking, not offering. I am probably the prime example of someone who's "troubled history" qualifies them to counsel, warn and advise.


Orchard said:
Most people learn from their bad experiences and their mistakes.

This is highly debateble. Especially that "Most" part.
 
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