Several Errors of Dispensationalism

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Romans 9;

For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”[b] 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

Paul is plain and clear there that the natural descendants of Abraham are not the children of God.

Why do you dispute with Paul?

 

[JerryShugart]

Romans 9;

For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”[b] 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

Paul is plain and clear there that the natural descendants of Abraham are not the children of God.

Why do you dispute with Paul?

Some of the natural descendants of Abraham are not the children of God.

Why do you attempt to pervert the words of Paul?He never says that "the natural descendants of Abraham are not the children of God."

In His grace,--Jerry
"Dispensationalism Made Easy"

http://gracebeacon.net/studies/shugart-dispensationalism_made_easy.html

 

[JerryShugart]

We know for a fact that all twelve tribes of Israel will be restored when the Lord comes in His glory.. and His Apostles will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

We also know that Peter believed that the kingdom would be resored to Israel:

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"(Acts1:6).

Notice that the Lord did not tell him that he was wrong for expecting this to happen,but instead told him that he was not to know the time when this would happen.

But those who deny an earthly kingdom will say that Peter was wrong for expecting the kingdom to be restored to Israel.But how many of those people have been with the Lord Jesus while He explained the things concerning the kingdom as was Peter?:

"To whom also he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God"(Acts1:3).

In His grace,--Jerry
"Dispensationalism Made Easy"

http://gracebeacon.net/studies/shugart-dispensationalism_made_easy.html

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Some of the natural descendants of Abraham are not the children of God.

Why do you attempt to pervert the words of Paul?He never says that "the natural descendants of Abraham are not the children of God."

In His grace,--Jerry
"Dispensationalism Made Easy"

http://gracebeacon.net/studies/shugart-dispensationalism_made_easy.html

Dude, you are doing nothing but parsing words.

When Paul says those who are the fleshly descendants of Abraham, that is what he means.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Jesus knew at that point, their idea of the Kingdom was not what God's is. At the Second Coming, when all who are in the grave will come forth to be judged, then Christ will reign among His people bodily.

 

[Markea]

AWC..

Do you reject this..? ?

What does it say..? ? Tell us..

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Will Israel (all twelve tribes) be restored when the Lord comes in His glory.. ? ? ?

Yes or No

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

AWC..

Do you reject this..? ?

What does it say..? ? Tell us..

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Will Israel (all twelve tribes) be restored when the Lord comes in His glory.. ? ? ?

Yes or No

The Twelve Tribes are comprised of the natural branches who's faith is in Christ and the wild branches who are adopted children of Abraham.

 

[Tractor1]

No, Paul is referring to those Jews who having grown up in Judaism and apart from Christ and the Church, are then drawn by the Father to Christ.

We see that happening all the time now, and in the past, as it will tomorrow and after.

Nice try, but you really need to study (Romans 9-11) further. The olive tree represents the blessings that come through Abraham, to both Jews and Gentiles. Although the Jews have been temporarily cut off as a nation, Paul plainly states that it will be easier for Israel to be grafted into their own olive tree than it was for the Gentiles to be grafted in. This isn't speaking about the individual Jewish believer today, who is a member Church, but the nation.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Nice try, but you really need to study (Romans 9-11) further. The olive tree represents the blessings that come through Abraham, to both Jews and Gentiles. Although the Jews have been temporarily cut off as a nation, Paul plainly states that it will be easier for Israel to be grafted into their own olive tree than it was for the Gentiles to be grafted in. This isn't speaking about the individual Jewish believer today, who is a member Church, but the nation.

In Christ,
Tracey

Nope, that is what some dispensationalists theorize, but then there are now 568,354,249,788 dispensationalists theories.

 

[Markea]

The Twelve Tribes are comprised of the natural branches who's faith is in Christ and the wild branches who are adopted children of Abraham.

The point is that Israel will be restored.. all twelve tribes.. in the regeneration.. when the Son of man sits upon the throne of His glory.. it's a scriptural fact.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

The Twelve Tribes have never disappeared.

That is another fallacy of dispensationalism, by making a false dichotomy between Israel and the Church.

Each of the Twelve Tribes are represented in the Church. The Church is the expansion of Israel, not a replacement as is false claimed by bad teachers in dispensationalism.

 

[Markea]

So what tribe are you from AWC.. ?

And why would James in Acts 15 tell his fellow Jews that the Lord is visiting the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name.. ?

Why are we called Christians..?

Why weren't the Jews called Christians..?

Why were we first called CHRISTians in Antioch.. ? How come not before if it's always been the same..?

 

[holdon]

The Twelve Tribes have never disappeared.

That is another fallacy of dispensationalism, by making a false dichotomy between Israel and the Church.

Each of the Twelve Tribes are represented in the Church. The Church is the expansion of Israel, not a replacement as is false claimed by bad teachers in dispensationalism.

So, where are the Issascharians, the Zebulunites, etc..?

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

So what tribe are you from AWC.. ?

And why would James in Acts 15 tell his fellow Jews that the Lord is visiting the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name.. ?

Why are we called Christians..?

Why weren't the Jews called Christians..?

Why were we first called CHRISTians in Antioch.. ? How come not before if it's always been the same..?

Don't you know, the true Jew is the one who has a circumcised heart.

You keep making a distinction that God does not make.

Why were the early church, mostly Jews, called "Christians"?

 

[Markea]

Don't you know, the true Jew is the one who has a circumcised heart.

Yes, that's what the scriptures teach..

You keep making a distinction that God does not make.

You IGNORE the mystery which Paul warned Christians not to be ignorant of..lest you be wise in your own conceits..

Why were the early church, mostly Jews, called "Christians"?

Because they are a part of the Body of Christ... why were they FIRST called that in Antioch..? ? How come not from the days of old in the OT..? ?

How come AWC..?

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

True Jews comprise the Church.

Ethnic Jews are not the children of God.

Deal with it.

 

[holdon]

True Jews comprise the Church.

It seems the Judaizers are back.

 

[Markea]

True Jews comprise the Church.

Again, this is refuted from the scriptures quite easily.. within the church of God there is neither Jew or Gentile.. but one new man from the two as Ephesians 2 points out..

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Again, this is refuted from the scriptures quite easily.. within the church of God there is neither Jew or Gentile.. but one new man from the two as Ephesians 2 points out..

No, what the Scriptures prove is that the true Jew is not the one who is outwardly a Jew, but one who has a circumcized heart.

Deal with it.

 

[Markea]

No, what the Scriptures prove is that the true Jew is not the one who is outwardly a Jew, but one who has a circumcized heart.

Deal with it.

That's exactly correct and what the scriptures declare pertaining to the Jew.. not the church of God.. because AGAIN.. the scriptures are perfectly clear in stating that in CHRIST there is neither Jew or Gentile, but one new man from the two..

Do you deny that ?