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Seventh-Day Sabbath: For Some or For All?

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ECR, I had another thought when I was reading through this thread and my responses.

ECR, what you say is true, however, satan unwittingly cooperated not knowing the plan. Remember he had no knowledge of things like creation of Earth, plan of salvation. That was left for the Trinity.

Hasn't he unwittingly cooperated in fulfilling every other prophesy? Why do you think that God is not able to fulfill His Word?
 
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So we should not try to live by the Spirit every day of the week? We try really, really hard not to sin on one day of the week and we get to slack off the other days of the week??

Yes, the Sabbath was a day of REST, not worship. There were 3 feast Sabbaths a year where all men were required to present themselves to the temple, but other Sabbaths a person was to rest.

Now Christ is our Sabbath, we rest in Him. Not one day of the week, but every day, at all times. This is legalist doo doo. What if I want to keep EVERY day as holy as I can, and worship God every day in spirit and in truth EVERY day and not just one per week?

I'm an "Everyday Adventist." :thumbsup:
Sounds like a plan :thumbsup:
 
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Shabbath Shaluem Alechem,


Sounds like a plan :thumbsup:
Colo 2:14 Blotting out the against us hand-writing to the decrees which was hostile/opposed to us, and has taken away out of the midst, nailing it to the stauros.

This kind of fatal thinking is what Yahshuo (aka Jesus) the Messiah has warned his people about:
"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."
-- Holy Book of Matityahu (Matthew) 13:9


If a man ignores the context of the Holy Scriptures; then he is in effect ignoring what his eyes see or his ears hear. He is ignoring common sense. In this case he is ignoring Colossans 1:1-29 and Colossans 2:15-23. When you "pluck" one verse like Colossans 2:14 off the tree of the Bible; then that plucked leaf (verse) will die and become deadly to the readers of that out-of-context verse.

You must search for the Holy Scriptures like searching for gold; because gold is not going to always be in plain sight. Gold sometimes require hard work; that is, research nowadays.

A man can clearly see that the letter to the Jews and Gentiles at Colossae is not talking about the Laws of Yahweh (aka Laws of Moses). Let's look at key missing points of this context:

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:" -- Colossians 1:13

"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled" -- Colossians 1:21

Some of the Jews and Gentile in the holy congregation followed Greek pagan religions and occults which were Satanic in nature, seeing that the city of Colossae was in land of the Greeks. The Torah (and particular, The Ten Commandments) was not popular in Greek culture.

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." -- Colossians 2:8

Now we see what is the "Hand Written of Ordinances That Was Against Us"! They were mankind's:

  1. Philosophy & Vain Deceit
  2. Tradition of Men
  3. Rudiments of the World
Paul clearly pointed out that these ordinances were not Yahweh's Torah and Ten Commandments but the Sons of Aedam's man-made laws!

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" -- Colossians 2:8

Adonai Yahshuo (Jesus) blotted out man-made laws that were against us; which is common in societies that do not know YAHWEH, the only true God of the Heavens and the Earth. It doesn't make sense to think that God's laws would be against us. In fact God's laws always to this day help us:

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. -- Exodus 20:3
How can this commandment be against us? This commandment is against athiests and idolaters!

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of YAHWEH thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:" -- Exodus 20:8-10

How can resting on the seventh-day be against us, our employees, and our farm animals? How is this commandment against us when we remind the world that God created the Heavens and the Earth in SIX literal days?
This commandment are against greedy workaholics and evolutionists!

"Thou shalt not kill."
"Thou shalt not commit adultery."
"Thou shalt not steal."
-- Exodus 20:13-15

How are these commandments against us? These commandments are against murderers, adulterers, and thieves!

"[And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it." -- Colossians 2:15

God humiliated and conquered man's principalities and powers; not his holy Torah and Ten Commandments.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:" -- Colossians 2:16

Now the Jewish servant Paul warned the Jews and Gentiles at Colossae to let no outsider judge them in how they worship, which observances are found in Yahweh's holy Torah (aka Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy).

"Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ."
-- Colossians 2:17

The holy days in God's Holy commandments are foretelling of things to come. Only Holy Congregation of Christ has jurisdiction on how to judge those in the proper worship and observance of Yahweh's Torah and Ten Commandments; because the Jews at Colossae had the Torah scroll that judges properly whether one is keeping these laws correctly.

"Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind," ---- Colossians 2:18

Again, man-made laws, traditions, and pagan religions will deceive you into false worship and man-made pride. Yahweh's Torah and Ten Commandments will never do this; it only makes you holy and set-apart from your surrounding godless society like Greek\pagan culture in the city of Colossae.

"And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God." -- Colossians 2:19

Man-made laws, tradition, and pagan religion ignore's God's laws and ways; which is like disconnecting yourself from the head: YAHWEH, the only true God. Disobedience to Yahweh's laws is disobedient to His Son, Yahshuo (Jesus Christ); because Yahweh and Yahshuo are one.

"Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances," -- Colossians 2:20
Why follows the traditions, commandments, and religions of men instead of the commandments of God? Man's laws are of the world; which has ALWAYS been against the ways and laws of God.

"(Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh." -- Colossians 2:21-23

Yes, Paul clearly said "the commandments and doctrines of men"! Which has always appears to be wise and humble; but these commandments physically neglect and starve a man's body; which goes against nature. God's holy laws never do this.

I never would have known this grave error, had I not read the context of Holy Scriptures quoted out-of-context, surrounding Colossians 2:14. The first Jews and Gentiles in the congregation believed in the Messiah and followed the Holy Ten Commandments (including the seventh-day shabbath observance). The Catholics deceived the Church 200 years later because the common church-goer did not have access to read the book of Colossians for himself. However, we have that access today; so there is no excuse for using common sense when reading a holy letter or book. Otherwise, history will repeat itself like Jim Jones and the Guyana Tragedy; he engage in this kind of out-of-context preaching.

"Yet YAHWEH hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day." -- Deuteronomy 29:4 :amen:


Shabbath Shaluem Alechem,

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OneThatGotAway, thank you for a very solid presentation on the importance of the Sabbath. There will be those who will resist, no matter how reasonable your words, but that won't change the truth of what you say.

What I don't understand is how people who claim to love Jesus can find it so unattractive, the thought that Jesus wants to spend an entire special day with them each week. The Sabbath is not about legalism. It is about a love relationship with our God; it's about being willing to give Him 24 hours of our time exclusively, trusting that He will supply all our needs, in spite of stopping our work on the seventh day; it is about remembering that He is our Creator and that we did not evolve from a single cell over a long period of time.

Keep the faith, OneThat GotAway. I'm with you!
 
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OneThatGotAway, thank you for a very solid presentation on the importance of the Sabbath. There will be those who will resist, no matter how reasonable your words, but that won't change the truth of what you say.

What I don't understand is how people who claim to love Jesus can find it so unattractive, the thought that Jesus wants to spend an entire special day with them each week. The Sabbath is not about legalism. It is about a love relationship with our God; it's about being willing to give Him 24 hours of our time exclusively, trusting that He will supply all our needs, in spite of stopping our work on the seventh day; it is about remembering that He is our Creator and that we did not evolve from a single cell over a long period of time.

Keep the faith, OneThatGotAway. I'm with you!

Laodicean,

Thank you for those encouraging words; my sentiments exactly. I would hope that at least one man or woman would take a long hard look at what they have been taught all these years. Hopefully many more will see the mixing of man-made laws with God's laws. And they would return to God's laws instead of man-made laws; with pure love this time.
 
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Laodicean,

Thank you for those encouraging words; my sentiments exactly. I would hope that at least one man or woman would take a long hard look at what they have been taught all these years. Hopefully many more will see the mixing of man-made laws with God's laws. And they would return to God's laws instead of man-made laws; with pure love this time.

Do you realize Colossians was written to address the Gnostic doctrines? That same Paul also said to not let any man judge you on your Sabbaths.
 
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Do you realize Colossians was written to address the Gnostic doctrines? That same Paul also said to not let any man judge you on your Sabbaths.

Oh, I am quite sure that he included man-made doctrines like those of the Gnostics; however, I believe that he was addressing all man-made traditions and commandments that were against us.
 
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Oh, I am quite sure that he included man-made doctrines like those of the Gnostics; however, I believe that he was addressing all man-made traditions and commandments that were against us.


"Against us".. who are the "us"?
 
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You know NOturtypical.....that "us" who have to guard our very lives against 'them". man!! Pay attention! LOL!!!!

I'm paying complete attention. I don't think the "Judaizers" ended their heretical teachings 1,900 years ago. That's my "point".
 
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You can't get any plainer than this...

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Jesus did not say Israelite or Jew or even children of God, he said man which is from the Greek anthropos - human being.

But of course you already know this and choose to ignore it. Tell me when did Jesus tell us to stop keeping the 7th day Sabbath?
What I want to know is if the sabbath is given to all mankind how is it a special sign to Israel?
 
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That's why I call myself a "Seven Days Adventist".

"Sabbath" is simple rest. It's not a special worship day, it's a day of rest.

God should be worshipped every day of the week, in Spirit and in truth. In all we do, think and say.
Jesus said rest for your souls and not your body in Matt 11:28-30. I'm wondering what Jesus offered since they basicly as a group were sabbath observant.
 
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What I want to know is if the sabbath is given to all mankind how is it a special sign to Israel?


I think the problem comes from our understanding of the word 'Israel'. We tend to think of it as a race of people, the Jews, as only those that came from the line of Jacob(Israel).

We need to look at it as God does. He was the one who named Jacob 'Israel', and we know that names had very significant meanings to them in those days, especially if given directly from God. Here is a 'wiki' explaination that sums up the name very well

Israel - which we get from the Greek, is originally in the Hebrew, "Yisrael".
Yisrael means, quite literally, "He has striven with God," or "He has been saved by God," based on which translation of "sra" was meant to be used.

"Yi", in the Hebrew, is the masculine form "he". "Sra", in the Hebrew, comes from the Semitic root "Sry", which means "to strive or to save." The word "El," in the Hebrew, is a form of the word for God.
When you see 'el' in any Hebrew name, it is a form of the word for God. See other names such as Ishmael (God has heard), Michael (Who is like God), and Daniel (My judge is God).
To better understand which meaning of Sra we are to use, we need to understand the origin of the name Israel. The origins came from Genesis chapter 32 where Jacob struggles with a man all night long until he is blessed. The man asks Jacob's name, then tells him that his name is no longer Jacob, but Israel, because he has striven with God and with man. (Genesis 32:28)
Therefore, we can definitively say that the word 'Israel', based on the Bible, means "He has striven with God."
Jacob (now Israel) became the father of the nation of Israel through his twelve sons - which is why you may hear the phrase, "Children of Israel" referring to the nation itself.

In this context, we can see that to be considered a part of the nation of Israel is not a regional or ethnic thing, it is to be striving with God and saved by Him. We strive with Him by our love for Him through our obedience to His Word and to be saved by a belief in His son Jesus as our Saviour who died for us to reconcile us or make a way for us back to the Father. That is why we say we are 'spiritual Israel'... we have been grafted into this covenant through our faith and belief in Jesus. The Sabbath is a special sign for us as God's children just as it was for His children 3500 years ago.
 
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That's why I call myself a "Seven Days Adventist".

"Sabbath" is simple rest. It's not a special worship day, it's a day of rest.

God should be worshipped every day of the week, in Spirit and in truth. In all we do, think and say.
I believe that is what the author of Hebrews was trying to explain

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Hebrews 4:3 For we are entering into the rest, the ones-believing.
According to as He declared, 'As I have sware in My wrath, if they shall be entering into the rest of Me' and-those the works from down-casting of world being become.
[Psalm 95:11/Matt 11:29/Reve 14:11]

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.
And not they are having rest day and night
[Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]
 
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There is something I don't understand. Why is it there are people in the Seventh-day Adventist forum who appear to be speaking against 'seventh-day Sabbath keeping'? I don't think it makes any sense, but it could just be my flawed way of thinking.

Has it not occurred to some people that God did not design us to function 7 days a week, 365 days a year every year regardless of how close our relationship is with him?

Sabbath keeping to me has never been about 'legalism.' There are many reasons to keep the Sabbath, none more important than keeping a 'date' day with God. The Bible often likens our relationship with God like that of a marriage. Now in that relationship do they not spend everyday with each other? They may have 5 min in the morning, another couple of hours in the evening with each other, go about their daily business inbetween. These days with mobiles and internet they can even send a text to each other periodically through the day. But more and more we see this relationship disintergrate. Life gets between them and they forget the first love they had at the beginning. They drift apart and divorce becomes the most logical course of action. What was one way to keep their passion alive throughout the years? Continue to have 'dates'. Set some time apart, a day, half a day, whatever works for the two of them for just them to get to know each other all over again. Escape from the pressures of life and get away from reality for perhaps a short time. Remember what it was that brought them together in the first place, make dreams and plans for the future. Get dressed up and make yourself attractive to the other person again. That sort of thing. And if its something that we may need in a marriage relationship with each other, how much more do we need it with God? And if we need to go on a date with God, then how well will the date go if you and God go on different days?
 
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There is something I don't understand. Why is it there are people in the Seventh-day Adventist forum who appear to be speaking against 'seventh-day Sabbath keeping'? I don't think it makes any sense, but it could just be my flawed way of thinking.

Has it not occurred to some people that God did not design us to function 7 days a week, 365 days a year every year regardless of how close our relationship is with him?

Sabbath keeping to me has never been about 'legalism.' There are many reasons to keep the Sabbath, none more important than keeping a 'date' day with God. The Bible often likens our relationship with God like that of a marriage. Now in that relationship do they not spend everyday with each other? They may have 5 min in the morning, another couple of hours in the evening with each other, go about their daily business inbetween. These days with mobiles and internet they can even send a text to each other periodically through the day. But more and more we see this relationship disintergrate. Life gets between them and they forget the first love they had at the beginning. They drift apart and divorce becomes the most logical course of action. What was one way to keep their passion alive throughout the years? Continue to have 'dates'. Set some time apart, a day, half a day, whatever works for the two of them for just them to get to know each other all over again. Escape from the pressures of life and get away from reality for perhaps a short time. Remember what it was that brought them together in the first place, make dreams and plans for the future. Get dressed up and make yourself attractive to the other person again. That sort of thing. And if its something that we may need in a marriage relationship with each other, how much more do we need it with God? And if we need to go on a date with God, then how well will the date go if you and God go on different days?

Nicely said Tessa!!

I believe those that are anti Sabbath, truly believe that they are right. We need to pray for them that they may see the truth for what it is...
 
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They can't but they try to justify their unbeliefs anyway. The Sabbath was giving to Adam which mean man. Elohim wanted us to cease from our every day life to reflect and celebrate creation and Them who created all things! The Jews, Christians and Islamics claim to love Elohim but all three major religions deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They rather believe in the ancient pagan belief in a one monthesitic god. This god is some kind of force and not a being and wonder how it can talk, create or do any thing. Elohim which is plural speaks of Three who work together as One to make man resemble Them. I serve three living Supreme Beings who have mouths, a body, they walk, talk, eat and more. They are Supreme and They are not made up like us and since we have sin we do not look like we were when Adam and Eve were created! When you truly understand the Sabbath then you can truly understand Yahweh, Yashua and the Holy Spirit!

Happy Sabbath,
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I think the problem comes from our understanding of the word 'Israel'. We tend to think of it as a race of people, the Jews, as only those that came from the line of Jacob(Israel).

We need to look at it as God does. He was the one who named Jacob 'Israel', and we know that names had very significant meanings to them in those days, especially if given directly from God. Here is a 'wiki' explaination that sums up the name very well


In this context, we can see that to be considered a part of the nation of Israel is not a regional or ethnic thing, it is to be striving with God and saved by Him. We strive with Him by our love for Him through our obedience to His Word and to be saved by a belief in His son Jesus as our Saviour who died for us to reconcile us or make a way for us back to the Father. That is why we say we are 'spiritual Israel'... we have been grafted into this covenant through our faith and belief in Jesus. The Sabbath is a special sign for us as God's children just as it was for His children 3500 years ago.
Well that is very interesting.

I don't think it jives with Ephesians 2 very well.

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There is something I don't understand. Why is it there are people in the Seventh-day Adventist forum who appear to be speaking against 'seventh-day Sabbath keeping'? I don't think it makes any sense, but it could just be my flawed way of thinking.

Has it not occurred to some people that God did not design us to function 7 days a week, 365 days a year every year regardless of how close our relationship is with him?

Sabbath keeping to me has never been about 'legalism.' There are many reasons to keep the Sabbath, none more important than keeping a 'date' day with God. The Bible often likens our relationship with God like that of a marriage. Now in that relationship do they not spend everyday with each other? They may have 5 min in the morning, another couple of hours in the evening with each other, go about their daily business inbetween. These days with mobiles and internet they can even send a text to each other periodically through the day. But more and more we see this relationship disintergrate. Life gets between them and they forget the first love they had at the beginning. They drift apart and divorce becomes the most logical course of action. What was one way to keep their passion alive throughout the years? Continue to have 'dates'. Set some time apart, a day, half a day, whatever works for the two of them for just them to get to know each other all over again. Escape from the pressures of life and get away from reality for perhaps a short time. Remember what it was that brought them together in the first place, make dreams and plans for the future. Get dressed up and make yourself attractive to the other person again. That sort of thing. And if its something that we may need in a marriage relationship with each other, how much more do we need it with God? And if we need to go on a date with God, then how well will the date go if you and God go on different days?
Reading your post makes me wonder if the day matters at all.

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They can't but they try to justify their unbeliefs anyway. The Sabbath was giving to Adam which mean man. Elohim wanted us to cease from our every day life to reflect and celebrate creation and Them who created all things! The Jews, Christians and Islamics claim to love Elohim but all three major religions deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They rather believe in the ancient pagan belief in a one monthesitic god. This god is some kind of force and not a being and wonder how it can talk, create or do any thing. Elohim which is plural speaks of Three who work together as One to make man resemble Them. I serve three living Supreme Beings who have mouths, a body, they walk, talk, eat and more. They are Supreme and They are not made up like us and since we have sin we do not look like we were when Adam and Eve were created! When you truly understand the Sabbath then you can truly understand Yahweh, Yashua and the Holy Spirit!

Happy Sabbath,
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Wow what a loaded post.

What I don't understand from my reading and studying of the Scripture is how one arrives at the point of God giving the sabbath to Adam.

I won't try and stir the pot by addressing the rest of the post.

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