Seventh-Day Sabbath: For Some or For All?

[from scratch]

I think the problem comes from our understanding of the word 'Israel'. We tend to think of it as a race of people, the Jews, as only those that came from the line of Jacob(Israel).

We need to look at it as God does. He was the one who named Jacob 'Israel', and we know that names had very significant meanings to them in those days, especially if given directly from God. Here is a 'wiki' explaination that sums up the name very well

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In this context, we can see that to be considered a part of the nation of Israel is not a regional or ethnic thing, it is to be striving with God and saved by Him. We strive with Him by our love for Him through our obedience to His Word and to be saved by a belief in His son Jesus as our Saviour who died for us to reconcile us or make a way for us back to the Father. That is why we say we are 'spiritual Israel'... we have been grafted into this covenant through our faith and belief in Jesus. The Sabbath is a special sign for us as God's children just as it was for His children 3500 years ago.

I see. Nice discussion of the word Israel. I just think that Israel in the desert isn't quite a very spiritual group of people in ths sense of a Christian. I read about a very wild party had in Moses' absence on the mountian getting the stone tablets. Kinda wild for a group of godly people I would think.

 

[from scratch]

They can't but they try to justify their unbeliefs anyway. The Sabbath was giving to Adam which mean man. Elohim wanted us to cease from our every day life to reflect and celebrate creation and Them who created all things! The Jews, Christians and Islamics claim to love Elohim but all three major religions deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They rather believe in the ancient pagan belief in a one monthesitic god. This god is some kind of force and not a being and wonder how it can talk, create or do any thing. Elohim which is plural speaks of Three who work together as One to make man resemble Them. I serve three living Supreme Beings who have mouths, a body, they walk, talk, eat and more. They are Supreme and They are not made up like us and since we have sin we do not look like we were when Adam and Eve were created! When you truly understand the Sabbath then you can truly understand Yahweh, Yashua and the Holy Spirit!

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

This post sure seems to have some wild unsuportable claims even for an adventist. I think I'll just stay out of trouble here.

 

[Dakool]

Who keeps quoting Mark 1:15 as though it means the Sabbath has been abolished. First of all let me remind you that Jesus said heaven and earth will first have to fade away before He changed His law (Mt. 5:18) Furthermore as there is no one particular text that singles out the Sabbath as being changed or done away with, any true bible believer will have to accept that whatever s/he believes about the Sabbath with regards to it being binding upon all Christians will have to also apply to all the law. In other words, if one believes that the Sabbath has been done away with due to a particular text s/he would have to apply that understanding to the other laws.

So, if it's not OK to steal then it's not OK to defile the Sabbath day. And by the same measure if it is OK for me to defile the Sabbath day or what was the Sabbath day (as the case would be) then it would be perfectly OK for me to sleep with a married woman including your wife!

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Pro. 14:12)

Dakool

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This post sure seems to have some wild unsuportable claims even for an adventist.
I think I'll just stay out of trouble here.

Me too

 

[ricker]

Who keeps quoting Mark 1:15 as though it means the Sabbath has been abolished. First of all let me remind you that Jesus said heaven and earth will first have to fade away before He changed His law (Mt. 5:18) Furthermore as there is no one particular text that singles out the Sabbath as being changed or done away with, any true bible believer will have to accept that whatever s/he believes about the Sabbath with regards to it being binding upon all Christians will have to also apply to all the law. In other words, if one believes that the Sabbath has been done away with due to a particular text s/he would have to apply that understanding to the other laws.

So, if it's not OK to steal then it's not OK to defile the Sabbath day. And by the same measure if it is OK for me to defile the Sabbath day or what was the Sabbath day (as the case would be) then it would be perfectly OK for me to sleep with a married woman including your wife!

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Pro. 14:12)

Dakool

The Bible says the whole law, every jot and tittle. This is not speaking of only the ten. There are lots of laws in Lev. and such. Read up and see if you still think we are under every word.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Shabbath Shaleum SDA Brothers!

The Bible says the whole law, every jot and tittle. This is not speaking of only the ten. There are lots of laws in Lev. and such. Read up and see if you still think we are under every word.

Yes, The Laws of Yahweh that were handed to Moses still stand today! And it applies to all people who are grafted into the tree of Yishrael (including Christians).

However, you can only obey some laws if the standards and conditions are set in place. For example, this law still stands:

"Speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." ---- Leviticus 12:2

However, God's holy people cannot fulfill following related commandment:
"And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest: "Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood. This [is] the law for her that hath born a male or a female." ---- Leviticus 12:6-7

We have to have the Priests of Levi and the Holy Temple of Yahweh (among other things) in order to fulfill Leviticus 12:6-7.

However, the 10 Commandments (including the Sabbath Day) is for all mankind to obey; because it applies to all mankind, everywhere; whether you have a Levitical priesthood and the Temple, or not.

Shabbath Shaluem.
OTGA

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Shabbath Shaluem SDA Brothers & Sisters,

What I want to know is if the sabbath is given to all mankind how is it a special sign to Israel?

Yishrael leads the way as nation in sabbath keeping for thousands of years, more than any nation have even until this day. Their faithful to God in keeping the sabbath as a race and nation is what makes them special over the other races and nations.

Now the other races and nations that keep the sabbath are grafted in to the nation of Yishrael. But make no mistake about it, the sons of Yishrael will always and forevermore lead the way. Yahweh knew Yishrael's faithfulness and that is why he blessed Yishrael with this honor:

"Wherefore the sons of Yishrael shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant. It [is] a sign between me and the sons of Yishrael for ever: for [in] six days YAHWEH made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." ---- Exodus 31:16-17

Remember that other races, tongues, and nations have been joined (grafted in) with the sons of Yishrael at the time that Yahweh spoke the above quoted verse; and yet, Yishrael was still the cream of the crop in keeping God's laws.

"And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee." ---- Romans 11:17-18

The above verse is a testimony of Yishrael since her beginnings. Nations have been grafted into Yishrael since their exodus from Egypt. And this grafting in continues until today; because is still the leader of keeping the law as a nation more than any nation on the face of the earth.

Think about it, SDA brothers, some of you are grafted into the nation of Yishrael as keepers of the law.

Shabbath Shaluem,
OTGA

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Shabbath Shaluem,

They can't but they try to justify their unbeliefs anyway. The Sabbath was giving to Adam which mean man. Elohim wanted us to cease from our every day life to reflect and celebrate creation and Them who created all things! The Jews, Christians and Islamics claim to love Elohim but all three major religions deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They rather believe in the ancient pagan belief in a one monthesitic god. This god is some kind of force and not a being and wonder how it can talk, create or do any thing. Elohim which is plural speaks of Three who work together as One to make man resemble Them. I serve three living Supreme Beings who have mouths, a body, they walk, talk, eat and more. They are Supreme and They are not made up like us and since we have sin we do not look like we were when Adam and Eve were created! When you truly understand the Sabbath then you can truly understand Yahweh, Yashua and the Holy Spirit! Happy Sabbath, stinsonmarri

True, the Sabbath was given to Adam and thus all mankind. Adam is part of that holy lineage that kept God's laws; that same lineage that trace it's 14 generations up to Yahshuo the Messiah (aka Jesus Christ).

However (not to depart from the topic), there is only one God, Yahweh, and Jesus Christ is only the Son of God. And the Holy Spirit is a part of God the same way our spirit is a part of us.

Shabbath Shaluem,
OTGA

 

[ricker]

Shabbath Shaleum SDA Brothers!



Yes, The Laws of Yahweh that were handed to Moses still stand today! And it applies to all people who are grafted into the tree of Yishrael (including Christians).

However, you can only obey some laws if the standards and conditions are set in place. For example, this law still stands:

"Speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." ---- Leviticus 12:2

However, God's holy people cannot fulfill following related commandment:
"And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest: "Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood. This [is] the law for her that hath born a male or a female." ---- Leviticus 12:6-7

We have to have the Priests of Levi and the Holy Temple of Yahweh (among other things) in order to fulfill Leviticus 12:6-7.

However, the 10 Commandments (including the Sabbath Day) is for all mankind to obey; because it applies to all mankind, everywhere; whether you have a Levitical priesthood and the Temple, or not.

Shabbath Shaluem.
OTGA

No, we can't keep the commandment you quote. Shouldn't that make you wonder just a little?

I don't see anything saying the jots and tittles mean only laws that are possible to keep without priests, or the ancient earthly sanctuary, or sacrifices. That would be the exact opposite of what the verses say.

The Bible never says the ten exclusively were for all mankind to obey. It says the ten were given to the nation of Israel.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

No, we can't keep the commandment you quote. Shouldn't that make you wonder just a little?

I don't see anything saying the jots and tittles mean only laws that are possible to keep without priests, or the ancient earthly sanctuary, or sacrifices. That would be the exact opposite of what the verses say.

The Bible never says the ten exclusively were for all mankind to obey. It says the ten were given to the nation of Israel.

It don't make me wonder one bit. And yes, you can keep this law if you desire to please God. You will see it if you consider the context of these scriptures. If God were to build this Temple today, then the other part of those laws would be in effect.

The laws (including the Ten Commandments) given to Yishrael were meant to be administered to the entire world. God commanded Yishrael to be the law-giver for the rest of the nations; because Yishrael was the only nation willing to follow God at the time.

But imagine a world keeping all the commandments of Yahweh. The world would be like Heaven on Earth. The only people who stand to suffer are the lovers of lawlessness and ungodly living. The giving of the Torah to the world was God's design and he will carry that out in when the Messiah Yahshuo (aka Jesus Christ) returns to rule 1,000 years.

 

[ricker]

It don't make me wonder one bit. And yes, you can keep this law if you desire to please God. You will see it if you consider the context of these scriptures. If God were to build this Temple today, then the other part of those laws would be in effect.

The laws (including the Ten Commandments) given to Yishrael were meant to be administered to the entire world. God commanded Yishrael to be the law-giver for the rest of the nations; because Yishrael was the only nation willing to follow God at the time.

But imagine a world keeping all the commandments of Yahweh. The world would be like Heaven on Earth. The only people who stand to suffer are the lovers of lawlessness and ungodly living. The giving of the Torah to the world was God's design and he will carry that out in when the Messiah Yahshuo (aka Jesus Christ) returns to rule 1,000 years.

Here are some of the laws that you say would make heaven on earth.

Be sure to folow the regualations for these, I won't quote the cures:

54 These are the regulations for any defiling skin disease, for a sore, 55 for defiling molds in fabric or in a house, 56 and for a swelling, a rash or a shiny spot, 57 to determine when something is clean or unclean.


Here is one I'm sure we can agree will make heaven on earth. I wonder what my wife would say......

19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

I'm sure you do this: 38 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel.

Another cool law: 27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

Face it, the law given to Israel has passed, otherwise all these jots and tittles would be still in effect.

Compliance to the law that applies to Christians would indeed make heaven on earth.
14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Shabbath Shaluem Alechem:

Here are some of the laws that you say would make heaven on earth. Be sure to folow the regualations for these, I won't quote the cures:

54 These are the regulations for any defiling skin disease, for a sore, 55 for defiling molds in fabric or in a house, 56 and for a swelling, a rash or a shiny spot, 57 to determine when something is clean or unclean.

[OneThatGotAway:] Way ahead of you ricker: I have been following these blessed commandments with delight; because these laws of Yahweh are always good for mankind.

Here is one I'm sure we can agree will make heaven on earth. I wonder what my wife would say......

19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

[OneThatGotAway:] I'm sure that she will appreciate it the same way as Mary, the mother of Jesus, would: That it is an honor to love Yahweh, the Almighty God; by following his commandment. The other Christians during that era would have echoed that love and honor through obedience. My wife appreciates it.

I'm sure you do this: 38 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel.

[OneThatGotAway:] Of course I do, who wouldn't? I mean, Jesus did it. Peter & Paul did it. Jesus' twelve disciples did it. In fact, the early Christians did it. What a wonderful law of Yahweh to remind us to keep his law by daily looking at the tassel (tzytzith) on his garment.

Another cool law: 27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

[OneThatGotAway:] Yep, you're right. In fact, All of Yahweh's laws are "cool". However, it was uncool to the Canaanites, Greeks, and Romans. Come to think of it, it is uncool to some Americans. But it was never uncool to to the sons of Yishrael and the Gentile nations that have kept them to this day.

Face it, the law given to Israel has passed, otherwise all these jots and tittles would be still in effect.
Compliance to the law that applies to Christians would indeed make heaven on earth.
14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself

[OneThatGotAway:] I have been facing the law for years since I have began loving God more by keeping the rest of his laws, commandments, statutes, and testimonies. And, according to Scriptures, the laws have not passed (yet). But don't take my word for it, consider the very words of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"Think not that I am come todestroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of [YAHWEH]." --- MatitYahu (Matthew) 5:17-19

The last I checked: Heaven and earth still stands; which means that all is not fulfilled yet.


Let's face it: "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." ---- 1 John 5:3

Yahweh's Commandments: Never grievous back then; never grievous today.
Shabbath Shaluem Alechem:
---- OTGA

 

[ricker]

Shabbath Shaluem Alechem:



[OneThatGotAway:] Way ahead of you ricker: I have been following these blessed commandments with delight; because these laws of Yahweh are always good for mankind.



[OneThatGotAway:] I'm sure that she will appreciate it the same way as Mary, the mother of Jesus, would: That it is an honor to love Yahweh, the Almighty God; by following his commandment. The other Christians during that era would have echoed that love and honor through obedience. My wife appreciates it.



[OneThatGotAway:] Of course I do, who wouldn't? I mean, Jesus did it. Peter & Paul did it. Jesus' twelve disciples did it. In fact, the early Christians did it. What a wonderful law of Yahweh to remind us to keep his law by daily looking at the tassel (tzytzith) on his garment.



[OneThatGotAway:] Yep, you're right. In fact, All of Yahweh's laws are "cool". However, it was uncool to the Canaanites, Greeks, and Romans. Come to think of it, it is uncool to some Americans. But it was never uncool to to the sons of Yishrael and the Gentile nations that have kept them to this day.



[OneThatGotAway:] I have been facing the law for years since I have began loving God more by keeping the rest of his laws, commandments, statutes, and testimonies. And, according to Scriptures, the laws have not passed (yet). But don't take my word for it, consider the very words of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"Think not that I am come todestroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of [YAHWEH]." --- MatitYahu (Matthew) 5:17-19

The last I checked: Heaven and earth still stands; which means that all is not fulfilled yet.


Let's face it: "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." ---- 1 John 5:3

Yahweh's Commandments: Never grievous back then; never grievous today.
Shabbath Shaluem Alechem:
---- OTGA

I admire your dedication to your beliefs, sort of . Adventists should take note!