Seven Days: Why is "I don't know" unacceptable?

[Aman777]

Because God had already made the animals. That's not confusing at all.

To help with your confusion, here are 4 commentaries that help explain why your view is in error. So far I have no reason to accept your view on the order of creation.

Commentary 1:
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
The arrangement may be explained on the supposition, that the writer, who was about to describe the relation of man to the beasts, went back to their creation, in the simple method of the early Semitic historians, and placed this first instead of making it subordinate; so that our modern style of expressing the same thought would be simply this: "God brought to Adam the beasts which He had formed."

Commentary 2:
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air,.... Or "had formed them" (e) on the fifth and sixth days; and these were formed two and two, male and female, in order to continue their species; whereas man was made single, and had no companion of the same nature with him:

Commentary 3:
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
Out of the ground.—The adâmâh; thus the physical constituents of the animals are the same as those of the body of man. Much curious speculation has arisen from the mistaken idea that the order here is chronological, and that the animals were created subsequently to man, and that it was only upon their failing one and all to supply Adam’s need of a companion that woman was called into being. The real point of the narrative is the insight it gives us into Adam’s intellectual condition, his study of the animal creation, and the nature of the employment in which he spent his time.

Commentary 4:
Pulpit Commentary
It is not the time, but simply the fact, of the creation of the animals that the historian records. The Vav. consec. does not necessarily involve time-succession, but is frequently employed to indicate thought-sequence (cf. 2:8; 1 Kings 2:13, &c.). The verb (pret.) may also quite legitimately be rendered "had formed (Bush). "Our modern style of expressing the Semitic writer's thought would be this - 'And God brought to Adam the beasts which he had formed (Delitzsch). It is thus unnecessary to defend the record from a charge of inconsistency with the previous section, by supposing this to be the account of a second creation of animals in the district of Eden.

The reason for the above is to TRY to explain WHY Adam was there to name the beasts of the field and birds made at the beginning of the 6th Day. This is totally unnecessary since Adam was "formed" of the dust of the ground BEFORE the plants, herbs and Trees on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Every other living creature that moveth was made on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 so Adam was already there to name the beasts and birds, which were made from the dust on the 6th Day. Gen 2:19 These verses confirm this view:

Gen 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Plants, herbs, and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and trees, the Lord God formed or squeezed into shape man (Heb-Adam) and breathed life into him. Adam was made BEFORE the Stars, which were NOT made until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 He was also made BEFORE the living creatures which were created and brought forth from Water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 He was also there when the Lord God made the beasts of the field and birds from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day. Gen 2:19

This places Humans (descendants of Adam) in the proper order since Humans are destined to have dominion over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28

God, Adam, Angels, Creatures from Water, and finally Beasts of the field and Birds. Otherwise, ANY other creation order is false. Amen?

 

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1st Day of the 4th Month ~ YAH's Calendar

6th Day of the 7th Month - Times of the People/Nations

Daily Process Method

How the USA writes the day 7/6/16

1) 7,616th vs. <<<< Link

2) 762016/31102 ~ 15,568 <<<< Calculation Link, Remainder ~ Verse

(1+2)

3) 7616+15568 ~ 23,184th vs.

How Most of the World writes the day. 6/7/16

1) 6,716th vs.

2) 672016/31102 ~ 18,874th vs.

(1+2)

3) 6716+18874 ~ 25,590th vs.

(3+3)

7) 23184+25590 = 48774/31102 ~ 17,672nd vs. Total 2891 (Original Language Total) <<<< Link

8) The 2,891st vs.

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Monthly Process Method (consecutive numbering)


Day 1 of the 4th Month ~ YAH's Calendar

6th Day of the 7th Month - Times of the People/Nations

1) 7,616th vs. 1Sa 16:20 And Jesse took an ass laden with bread, and a bottle of wine, and a kid and sent them by David his son unto Saul. 36

2) 762016/31102 ~ 15,568th vs. Psa 103:18 To such as keep His Covenant, and to those that remember His Commandments to do them.

3) 7616+15568 ~ 23,184th vs. Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into mitzrayim:

4) 6,716th vs. Jdg 7:21 And they stood every man in his place round about the camp: and all the host ran, and cried, and fled . 28

5) 672016/31102 ~ 18,874th vs. Isa 63:7 I will mention the Lovingkindnesses of YAHUWAH and the praises of YAHUWAH, according to all that YAHUWAH hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which He hath bestowed on them according to His mercies, and according to the multitude of His Lovingkindnesses. 70

6) 6716+18874 ~ 25,590th vs. Luk 15:1 Then drew near unto Him all the publicans and sinners for to Hear Him.

7) 23184+25590 = 48774/31102 ~ 17,672nd vs. Isa 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18

8) The 2,891st vs. Lev 7:11 And this is the Torah of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which he shall offer unto YAHUWAH . 18 ~ 36

Day 2 of the 4th month / The 7th day of the 7th month

9) 7,716th vs. 1Sa 19:9 And the evil spirit from YAHUWAH was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand. 28

10) 772016/31102 ~ 25,568th vs. Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just. 28

11) 7716+25568 = 33284/31102 ~ 2,182nd vs. Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of YAHUWAH, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. 28

12) 7,716th vs. 1Sa 19:9 And the evil spirit from YAHUWAH was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand. 28

13) 772016/31102 ~ 25,568th vs. Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just. 28

14) 7716+25568 = 33284/31102 ~ 2,182nd vs. Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of YAHUWAH, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. 28

15) 2182+2182 ~ 4,364th vs. Num 21:23 And Sihon would not suffer Israel to pass through his border: but Sihon gathered all his people together, and went out against Israel into the wilderness: and he came to Jahaz, and fought against Israel. 44

16) The 5,175th vs. Deu 9:17 And I took the two tables, and cast them out of my two hands, and brake them before your eyes. 26 ~ 70

Day 3 of the 4th month / 8th day of the 7th

17) 7,816th vs. 1Sa 23:5 So David and his men went to Keilah, and fought with the philistines, and brought away their cattle, and smote them with a great slaughter. So David saved the inhabitants of Keilah. 28

18) 782016/31102 ~ 4,466th vs. Num 24:19 Out of Jacob shall come He that shall have dominion, and shall destroy him that remaineth of the city.

19) 7816+4466 ~ 12,282nd vs. Ezr 10:29 And of the sons of Bani; Meshullam(Friend), Malluch, and Adaiah, Yashub, and Sheal, and Ramoth.

20) 8,716th vs. 2Sa 24:23 All these things did Araunah, as a king, give unto the king. And Araunah said unto the king, YAHUWAH thy God accept thee.

21) 872016/31102 ~1,160th vs. Gen 39:10 And it came to pass, as she spake to Joseph day by day, that he Hearkened not unto her, to lie by her, or to be with her.

22) 8716+1160 ~ 9,876th vs. 2Ki 13:4 And Yehoahaz besought YAHUWAH, and YAHUWAH Hearkened unto him: for he saw the oppression of Israel, because the king of Syria oppressed them.

23) 12282+9876 ~ 22,158th vs. Hos 5:5 And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel and Ephraim fall in their iniquity; Judah also shall fall with them. 10

24) The 2,871st vs. Lev 6:21 In a pan it shall be made with oil; and when it is baken, thou shalt bring it in: and the baken pieces of the meat offering shalt thou offer for a sweet savour unto YAHUWAH. 27 ~ 37

Day 4 of the 4th month / 9th day of the 7th

25) 7,916th vs. 1Sa 26:10 David said furthermore, As YAHUWAH liveth, YAHUWAH shall smite him; or his day shall come to die; or he shall descend into battle, and perish. 36

26) 792016/31102 ~14,466th vs. Psa 37:15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.

27) 7916+14466 ~ 22,382nd vs. Amo 2:2 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:

28) 9,716th vs. 2Ki 7:8 And when these lepers came to the uttermost part of the camp, they went into one tent, and did eat and drink, and carried thence silver, and gold, and raiment, and went and hid it; and came again, and entered into another tent, and carried thence also, and went and hid it.

29) 972016/31102 ~7,854th vs. 1Sa 24:14 After whom is the king of Israel come out? after whom dost thou pursue? after a dead dog, after a flea.

30) 9716+7854 ~ 17,570th vs. Sol 2:15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.

31) 22382+17570 = 39952/31102 ~ 8,850th vs. 1Ki 4:5 And Azariah the son of Nathan was over the officers: and Zabud the son of Nathan was principal officer, and the king's friend:

32) The 2,175th vs. Exo 23:30 By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.

Day 5 of the 4th month / 10th day of the 7th

33) 71016/31102 ~8,812th vs. 1Ki 2:41 And it was told Solomon that Shimei had gone from Jerusalem to Gath, and was come again.

34) 7102016/31102 ~10,760th vs. 1Ch 12:39 And there they were with David three days, eating and drinking: for their brethren had prepared for them.

35) 8812+10760 ~ 19,572nd vs. Jer 25:37 And the peaceable habitations are cut down because of the fierce anger of YAHUWAH.

36) 10,716th vs. 1Ch 11:42 Adina the son of Shiza the Reubenite, a captain of the Reubenites, and thirty with him,

37) 1072016/31102 ~14,548th vs. Psa 41:5 Mine enemies speak evil of me, When shall he die, and his name perish?

38) 10716+14548 ~ 25,264th vs. Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye Hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

39) 19572+25264 = 44836/31102 ~ 13,734th vs. Job 35:13 Surely God will not Hear vanity, neither will the Almighty regard it.

40) The 1,732nd vs. Exo 8:21 Else, if thou wilt not let My people go, behold, I will send swarms of flies upon thee, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thy houses: and the houses of the Egyptians shall be full of swarms of flies, and also the ground whereon they are.

Day 6 of the 4th month / 11th day of the 7th

41) 71116/31102 ~ 8,912nd vs. 1Ki 6:15 And he built the walls of the house within with boards of cedar, both the floor of the house, and the walls of the cieling: and he covered them on the inside with wood, and covered the floor of the house with planks of fir. 21

42) 7112016/31102 ~ 20,760th vs. Eze 15:5 Behold, when it was whole, it was meet for no work: how much less shall it be meet yet for any work, when the fire hath devoured it, and it is burned?

43) 8912+20760 ~ 29,672nd vs. 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

44) 11,716th vs. 2Ch 25:11 And Amaziah strengthened himself, and led forth his people, and went to the valley of salt, and smote of the children of Seir ten thousand.

45) 1172016/31102 ~ 21,242nd vs. Eze 31:11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.

46) 11716+21242 = 32958/31102 ~ 1,856th vs. Exo 12:39 And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual.

45) 29672+1856 = 31528/31102 ~ 426th vs. Gen 18:1 And YAHUWAH appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

48) The 1,652nd vs. Exo 5:19 And the officers of the children of Israel did see that they were in evil case, after it was said, Ye shall not minish ought from your bricks of your daily task.

Day 7 of the 4th month / 12th day of the 7th

49) 71216/31102 ~ 9,012th vs. 1Ki 8:26 And now, O God of Israel, let thy word, I pray thee, be verified, which thou spakest unto thy servant David my father.

50) 7122016/31102 ~ 30,760th vs. Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him Hear what the Spirit saith unto the kahol.

51) 9012+30760 = 39772/31102 ~ 8,670th vs. 2Sa 23:16 And the three mighty men brake through the host of the philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto YAHUWAH

52) 12,716th vs. Est 1:13 Then the king said to the wise men, which knew the times, (for so was the king's manner toward all that knew law and judgment:

53) 1272016/31102 ~27,936th vs. Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for His name:

54) 12716+27936 = 40652/31102 ~ 9,550th vs. 2Ki 1:16 And he said unto him, Thus saith YAHUWAH, Forasmuch as thou hast sent messengers to enquire of baalzebub the god of Ekron, is it not because there is no God in Israel to enquire of His word? therefore thou shalt not come down off that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.

55) 8670+9550 ~ 18,220th vs. Isa 30:2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at My mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!

56) The 3,193rd vs. Lev 15:24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean Seven Days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.

Day 8 of the 4th month / 13th day of the 7th

57) 71316/31102 ~ 9,112th vs. 1Ki 11:3 And he had Seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. 15

58) 7132016/31102 ~ 9,658th vs. 2Ki 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan Seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean. 15

59) 9112+9658 ~ 18,770th vs. Isa 57:4 Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,

60) 13,716th vs. Job 34:32 That which I see not teach thou me: if I have done iniquity, I will do no more.

61) 1372016/31102 ~ 3,528th vs. Lev 26:3 If ye walk in My statutes, and keep My commandments, and do them;

62) 13716+3528 ~ 17,244th vs. Pro 29:19 A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he will not answer.

63) 18770+17244 = 36014/31102 ~ 4,912th vs. Deu 1:19 And when we departed from Horeb, we went through all that great and terrible wilderness, which ye saw by the way of the mountain of the Amorites, as YAHUWAH our God commanded us; and we came to Kadeshbarnea. 20

64) The 5,480th vs. Deu 22:9 Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled. 31 ~ 51

Day 9 of the 4th month / 14th day of the 7th

65) 71416/31102 ~ 9,212th vs. 1Ki 13:27 And he spake to his sons, saying, Saddle me the ass. And they saddled him. 41

66) 7142016/31102 ~ 19,658th vs. Jer 29:22 And of them shall be taken up a curse by all the captivity of Judah which are in babylon, saying, YAHUWAH make thee like Zedekiah and like Ahab, whom the king of babylon roasted in the fire; 51

67) 9212+19658 ~ 28,870th vs. 2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Adonai YESHUA, that the life also of YESHUA might be made manifest in our body.

68) 14,716th vs. Psa 52:5 God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah.

69) 1472016/31102 ~ 10,222nd vs. 2Ki 24:19 And he did that which was evil in the sight of YAHUWAH, according to all that Jehoiakim had done.

70) 14716+10222 ~ 24,938th vs. Luk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

71) 28870+24938 = 53808/31102 ~ 22,706th vs. Nah 2:6 The gates of the rivers shall be opened, and the palace shall be dissolved. 8

72) The 1,965th vs. Exo 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less. 33 ~ 41

Day 10 of the 4th month / 15th day of the 7th

73) 71516/31102 ~ 9,312th vs.

74) 7152016/31102 ~ 29,658th vs.

75) 9312+29658 = 38970/31102 ~ 7,868th vs.

76) 15,716th vs.

77) 1572016/31102 ~ 16,916th vs.

78) 15716+16916 ~ 32632/31102 ~ 1,530th vs.

79) 7868+1530 ~ 9,398th vs.

80) The 7,533rd vs.

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The reason for the above is to TRY to explain WHY Adam was there to name the beasts of the field and birds made at the beginning of the 6th Day. This is totally unnecessary since Adam was "formed" of the dust of the ground BEFORE the plants, herbs and Trees on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Every other living creature that moveth was made on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 so Adam was already there to name the beasts and birds, which were made from the dust on the 6th Day. Gen 2:19 These verses confirm this view:

Gen 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Plants, herbs, and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and trees, the Lord God formed or squeezed into shape man (Heb-Adam) and breathed life into him. Adam was made BEFORE the Stars, which were NOT made until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 He was also made BEFORE the living creatures which were created and brought forth from Water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 He was also there when the Lord God made the beasts of the field and birds from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day. Gen 2:19

This places Humans (descendants of Adam) in the proper order since Humans are destined to have dominion over EVERY other living creature. Gen 1:28

God, Adam, Angels, Creatures from Water, and finally Beasts of the field and Birds. Otherwise, ANY other creation order is false. Amen?

In the day doesn't refer to just the 3rd day but rather to a time period.

Secondly you must be able to refute what i have already written BEFORE I even intend to move on.

As I said above....To help with your confusion, I have presented you with 4 commentaries that help explain why your view is in error. So far I have no reason to accept your view on the order of creation.

 

[Aman777]

In the day doesn't refer to just the 3rd day but rather to a time period.

Secondly you must be able to refute what i have already written BEFORE I even intend to move on.

As I said above....To help with your confusion, I have presented you with 4 commentaries that help explain why your view is in error. So far I have no reason to accept your view on the order of creation.

The reason is that your commentaries do NOT agree with what is actually written since they are paraphrases of what the men who wrote the commentaries, THINK. I don't put men's thoughts above God's, but if that is what you wish, go right ahead. I have NO confusion since I support what I post with actual Scripture, instead of some person's thoughts which changes God's Truth into a religion with no support except from other men.

This all started because you don't agree that God is smart enough to NOT tell us two contradicting stories in the first two chapters of Genesis. To search through all of men's commentaries in order to find a minority who agree with your view, is hurtful to your credibility, in my opinion. I'm sure that if I did the same, you would not agree with me. Amen?

 

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The reason is that your commentaries do NOT agree with what is actually written since they are paraphrases of what the men who wrote the commentaries, THINK. I don't put men's thoughts above God's, but if that is what you wish, go right ahead. I have NO confusion since I support what I post with actual Scripture, instead of some person's thoughts which changes God's Truth into a religion with no support except from other men.

This all started because you don't agree that God is smart enough to NOT tell us two contradicting stories in the first two chapters of Genesis. To search through all of men's commentaries in order to find a minority who agree with your view, is hurtful to your credibility, in my opinion. I'm sure that if I did the same, you would not agree with me. Amen?

Are you serious? Really, are you?

The reason the commentaries don't agree with your "commentary" is because your "commentary" isn't biblical.

When it comes to Gods thoughts...I don't put a mans thoughts above God. Which is a very good reason for not believing your thoughts. In fact there is no major denomination that has interpreted Genesis the way you have. NONE...tht alone should set off red lights for you.

Your style of argument is really amazing...because I don't agree with you, you claim I'm not saying God is smart. What kind of an argument is that?

As I said above....To help with your confusion, I have presented you with 4 commentaries that help explain why your view is in error. So far I have no reason to accept your view on the order of creation.

 

[Aman777]

Are you serious? Really, are you?

The reason the commentaries don't agree with your "commentary" is because your "commentary" isn't biblical.

When it comes to Gods thoughts...I don't put a mans thoughts above God. Which is a very good reason for not believing your thoughts. In fact there is no major denomination that has interpreted Genesis the way you have. NONE...tht alone should set off red lights for you.

Your style of argument is really amazing...because I don't agree with you, you claim I'm not saying God is smart. What kind of an argument is that?

As I said above....To help with your confusion, I have presented you with 4 commentaries that help explain why your view is in error. So far I have no reason to accept your view on the order of creation.

None except it's what is actually written, instead of what some person "adds" the word HAD to Scripture in a vain attempt to show that Adam was made AFTER the creatures were made from water on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 and AFTER the creatures were made from the ground, on the 6th Day, Gen 2:19

Such thinking leads some to believe that there are two contradicting accounts of the creation. Some apologists TRY to show that Adam was made AFTER the beasts of the field and birds, instead of when Gen 2:4-7 states, which is that Adam was made the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and rain. See post #76 and #81. Amen?

 

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None except it's what is actually written, instead of what some person "adds" the word HAD to Scripture in a vain attempt to show that Adam was made AFTER the creatures were made from water on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 and AFTER the creatures were made from the ground, on the 6th Day, Gen 2:19

Such thinking leads some to believe that there are two contradicting accounts of the creation. Some apologists TRY to show that Adam was made AFTER the beasts of the field and birds, instead of when Gen 2:4-7 states, which is that Adam was made the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and rain. See post #76 and #81. Amen?

All you have doone is made assertions. The commentries I posted explained why the animals were created before Adam in BOTH verses. Your simple clsims mean nothing to me. Hot air....

To date you ahevn't shown why it is a contradiction...but you plow along as if you're right despite the fact NO, and let me say it again..NO, denomination is presenting your flawed theology.

 

[Aman777]

All you have doone is made assertions. The commentries I posted explained why the animals were created before Adam in BOTH verses. Your simple clsims mean nothing to me. Hot air....

To date you ahevn't shown why it is a contradiction...but you plow along as if you're right despite the fact NO, and let me say it again..NO, denomination is presenting your flawed theology.

Of course not since they are teaching the ancient views of people who the Bible explains CANNOT understand Scripture. Dan 12:4 Genesis 2:4-7 explains that Adam was made on the 3rd Day, the same Day Adam's Earth was made but BEFORE the plants and herbs GREW on the SAME 3rd Day, according to Gen 1:12

I notice that you ignored that Scriptural Fact since it states that Adam was made before ANY other living creature, no matter what any denomination teaches. Gen 2:8-9 AGREES with Gen 1:12 which also shows that TREES grew on the 3rd Day, but some had rather teach what some group thinks instead of what God actually wrote. Amen?

 

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Of course not since they are teaching the ancient views of people who the Bible explains CANNOT understand Scripture. Dan 12:4 Genesis 2:4-7 explains that Adam was made on the 3rd Day, the same Day Adam's Earth was made but BEFORE the plants and herbs GREW on the SAME 3rd Day, according to Gen 1:12

I notice that you ignored that Scriptural Fact since it states that Adam was made before ANY other living creature, no matter what any denomination teaches. Gen 2:8-9 AGREES with Gen 1:12 which also shows that TREES grew on the 3rd Day, but some had rather teach what some group thinks instead of what God actually wrote. Amen?

There is no biblical fact that Adam was made prior to every other living creature.

When it comes to day 3 a reading of Gen 1 tells us the vegetation was made on day 3 :
Gen 1:11 And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so.......there is no hint of man being made on day 3. If God did make man on day 3 as you claimed God would have mentioned it.
So, when was man made? When we continue to read we come across the following verse....
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them......This was on day six.

Now, considering you moved on from the animals being created "before adam" ...I will assume you conceded your point.
Considering what Gen 1 tells you about the plants and day 3 and male and female on day 6 I will also assume you will be conceding your point that Adam was created on day 3.

 

[Aman777]

There is no biblical fact that Adam was made prior to every other living creature.

Sure there is, UNLESS you used a modern paraphrased version, changed by people who do NOT understand Genesis chapter ONE.

*** When it comes to day 3 a reading of Gen 1 tells us the vegetation was made on day 3 :
Gen 1:11 And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so.......there is no hint of man being made on day 3. If God did make man on day 3 as you claimed God would have mentioned it.

Genesis chapter ONE is the complete HISTORY of the Creation including future events at the end of the present 6th Day. If you don't understand this, the entire Bible is confusing. If you understand this, you see that ALL of the rest of the Bible, from Gen 2:4 until the end of Rev 22, contains the DETAILS of the Seven Days/Ages of Creation shown in the first 34 verses of Genesis.

*** So, when was man made? When we continue to read we come across the following verse....
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them......This was on day six.

Amen. To be "created" in God's Image is to be created Spiritually, Eternally, in Christ, since Christ is ONLY Image of the invisible Spirit of God, Col 1:15 the ONLY Begotten Son of God.

*** Now, considering you moved on from the animals being created "before adam" ...I will assume you conceded your point.

Not so, since Adam was ALONE Gen 2:18 when Lord God/Jesus made the creatures which Adam named, in the NEXT verse.

*** Considering what Gen 1 tells you about the plants and day 3 and male and female on day 6 I will also assume you will be conceding your point that Adam was created on day 3.

Not so, since Adam was "formed" by Lord God/Jesus on the 3rd Day and Eve was "made" from Adam's rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 BOTH were "created" in God's Image on the present 6th Day AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 IOW, the details of their Creation AGREES with Gen 1:27 which is part of the Outline in the first 34 verses of Genesis. This also REVEALS that God's rest is FUTURE to our time, since the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit CONTINUE to create Adam (mankind) Eternally, in Christ, Today. It takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "Create" Eternal Christians according to Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16 Amen?

 

[KWCrazy]

Read carefully. Adam and Eve were BOTH "created" on the 6th Day AFTER Cain killed Abel.

So they were formed after one of their CHILDREN killed the other?
I respectfully disagree.

 

[mark kennedy]

Sure, there is much question about that. This would explain why you are
writing a post on the subject. Days with no sun, plants with no sun or rain
plants growing in soil? Soil or hydroponics? I'd go for hydroponics because
"SOIL" is old decomposing organic matter. So there must not be any soil.
Becasue this is a normal day.

It doesn't say there is no sun, God creates the heavens and the earth before creation week started. I think it's safe to assume the sun was a part of the original creation. Here's an exposition I did sometime ago:

Outline
Day 1: God 'lets' the light in, thus creating the first day (Gen. 1:4).
Day 2: God creates the upper atmosphere, called the 'firmament' (Gen. 1:7).
Day 3: God seperates the land from the seas and creates plant life (Gen. 1:10).
Day 4: God then, 'sets', the heavenly lights in the visible sky (Gen. 1:17).
Day 5: God creates the birds of the air and marine life (Gen. 1:21).
Day 6: Finally, God creates the beasts of the field and Man (Gen. 1:25).​

The phrase, 'heaven and the earth', is a Hebrew expression meaning the universe. All we really get from this passage is that the cosmos and earth were created, 'in the beginning'. The perspective of creation week is from the surface of the earth, starting with the Spirit of God hovering over the deep (Gen. 1:2). In the chapter there are three words used for God's work in creation. The first is 'created' ('bara' H1254) a very precise term used only of God. It is used once to describe the creation of the universe (Gen 1:1), then again to describe the creation of life (Gen 1:21). Finally, in the closing verses, it is used three times for the creation of Adam and Eve (Gen. 1:27). The word translated, 'made' (asah 6213) , has a much broader range of meaning and is used to speak of the creation of the 'firmament' (Gen 1:7), the sun, moon and stars (Gen 1:16), procreation where offspring are made 'after his/their kind' (Gen 1:25) and as a general reference to creation in it's vast array (Gen 1:31).

Then there is a third term when God 'set' (nathan H2414), the lights of the sun, moon and stars so that their light is reqularly visible from the surface of the earth. In this way the narrative shifts from the very precise word for 'created' to the more general 'made', and then the much broader use of 'set'.

Ok, notice the sun, moon and stars are 'set', not 'created', not even 'made'. The narrative is from the surface of the earth so when the heavenly bodies are being 'set' the atmosphere is being adjusted so they can be clearly and regularly seen. There has been light since day 1 and since there has been evening and morning the rising and setting of the sun is implicit. A lot of problems could be avoided if Christians would just study the Scriptures. There are an abundance of study tools and the text does a remarkable job of explaining itself if you are patient enough to listen.

The word bara is used to describe the 'creation' of the universe (Gen. 1:1), life (Gen. 1:21) and three times to describe the creation of Adam and Eve (Gen. 1:25). The term has profound theological significance:

Create ‘bara’ (H1254) - 'This verb has profound thological significance, since it has only God as it’s subject. Only God can create in the sense implied by bara. The verb expresses the idea of creation out of nothing...all other verbs for “creating” allow a much broader range of meaning. a carefull study of the passages where bara occurs shows that in the few nonpoetic uses, primarily in Genesis, the writer uses scientifically precise language to demonstrate that God brought the object or concept into being from previously nonexistant material. Things created, made and set by God: the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1; Isa. 40:26; 42:5; 45:18; 65:17); man (Gen. 1:27; 5:2; 6:7; Deut. 4:32; Ps. 89:47; Isa. 43:7; 45:12); Israel (Isa. 43:1; Mal. 2:10); a new thing (Jer. 31:22); cloud and smoke (Isa. 4:5); north and south (Ps. 89:12); lsalvation and righteousness (Isa. 45:8); speech (Isa. 57:19); darkness (Isa. 45:7); wind (Amos 4:13); and a new heart (Ps. 51:10).' (Vine 51)
​

This term is not used for day 4, a much more general term is used to describe the sun, moon and stars being 'set' in the heavens.

Set (nathan H5414) A primitive root; to give, used with greatest latitude of application (Gen 1:17, Gen 9:13, Gen 18:8, Gen 30:40, Gen 41:41). Elsewhere translated ‘put’, ‘make’, ‘cause’, etc.
​

This act of creation on Day 4 is God’s handiwork, God doing what only God can do, but is nevertheless, not when they were brought into existence. What is more the term for firmament is describing the atmosphere not outer space:

Firmament - (raqiya` H754) The visible arch of the sky. From 'raqa`' (H7554), which means, 'to pound the earth, as a sign of passion or by analogy, to expand by hammering. By implication, to overlay like thin sheets of metal'. The term is used to speak of hammered gold and silver (Exo 39:3; Jer 10:9).
​

This indicates to me that the universe was finished before creation week ever started. The only thing God is working on during creation week is the earth in general, the atmosphere necessarily and then finally living creatures to inhabit the earth.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Aman777]

So they were formed after one of their CHILDREN killed the other?
I respectfully disagree.

I understand since the traditional religious view is that of ancient theologians, who didn't notice it either AND it has been passed down by tradition for a long time. Notice the differences:

Adam was made by Lord God/YHWH/Jesus) on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:7
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God "formed" man of the dust of the ground,

Adam was "created" by God (Elohim) the Trinity, on the 6th Day.
Gen 5:1 ¶ This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him; Gen 5:2 Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

This agrees with Gen 1:26 which shows that it takes "Us" to create mankind, Spiritually and Eternally.
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Adam was formed by YHWH, a Singular name.
Adam was created by Elohim, a Plural name.
This is confirmed by John in the New Testament:

Jhn 14:16 And I [Jesus] will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Jhn 14:17 Even the Spirit of Truth;

Notice that the Father Son and Holy Spirit "Us" act together, when a New Creature in Christ is made Spiritually in Christ.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, [the Trinity]

Amen?

 

[-57]

Sure there is, UNLESS you used a modern paraphrased version, changed by people who do NOT understand Genesis chapter ONE.

*** When it comes to day 3 a reading of Gen 1 tells us the vegetation was made on day 3 :
Gen 1:11 And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so.......there is no hint of man being made on day 3. If God did make man on day 3 as you claimed God would have mentioned it.

Genesis chapter ONE is the complete HISTORY of the Creation including future events at the end of the present 6th Day. If you don't understand this, the entire Bible is confusing. If you understand this, you see that ALL of the rest of the Bible, from Gen 2:4 until the end of Rev 22, contains the DETAILS of the Seven Days/Ages of Creation shown in the first 34 verses of Genesis.

*** So, when was man made? When we continue to read we come across the following verse....
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them......This was on day six.

Amen. To be "created" in God's Image is to be created Spiritually, Eternally, in Christ, since Christ is ONLY Image of the invisible Spirit of God, Col 1:15 the ONLY Begotten Son of God.

*** Now, considering you moved on from the animals being created "before adam" ...I will assume you conceded your point.

Not so, since Adam was ALONE Gen 2:18 when Lord God/Jesus made the creatures which Adam named, in the NEXT verse.

*** Considering what Gen 1 tells you about the plants and day 3 and male and female on day 6 I will also assume you will be conceding your point that Adam was created on day 3.

Not so, since Adam was "formed" by Lord God/Jesus on the 3rd Day and Eve was "made" from Adam's rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 BOTH were "created" in God's Image on the present 6th Day AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 IOW, the details of their Creation AGREES with Gen 1:27 which is part of the Outline in the first 34 verses of Genesis. This also REVEALS that God's rest is FUTURE to our time, since the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit CONTINUE to create Adam (mankind) Eternally, in Christ, Today. It takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "Create" Eternal Christians according to Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16 Amen?

I'm trying to understand your view...but it seems to fail over and over again.
Once again plants..day 3. Mankind, day 6. IT'S WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. NO RE-WRITE REQUIRED.

Once again you mis-apply scripture when you try to understand the meaning of "image". For some reason you seem to think Col 1:5 fits, or explains your meaning...Hint. the bible isn't that difficult.
Your view is built on shifting sand and has collapsed.

I do see how you are required to twist meaning of words to cram them down your view and false understanding.

Let me say this to you again....NO WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY ADAM WAS MADE ON DAY 3. NO WHERE. .....This is something you have interpreted into scripture...this is something you have misread into scripture. This is something you have injected into scripture.

Once again...there is not one denomination...NOT ONE..that even considers your false view...NOT ONE. In fact you can't even name one that does.

 

[-57]

I understand since the traditional religious view is that of ancient theologians, who didn't notice it either AND it has been passed down by tradition for a long time. Notice the differences:

Adam was made by Lord God/YHWH/Jesus) on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:7
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God "formed" man of the dust of the ground,

Adam was "created" by God (Elohim) the Trinity, on the 6th Day.
Gen 5:1 ¶ This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him; Gen 5:2 Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

This agrees with Gen 1:26 which shows that it takes "Us" to create mankind, Spiritually and Eternally.
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Adam was formed by YHWH, a Singular name.
Adam was created by Elohim, a Plural name.
This is confirmed by John in the New Testament:

Jhn 14:16 And I [Jesus] will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Jhn 14:17 Even the Spirit of Truth;

Notice that the Father Son and Holy Spirit "Us" act together, when a New Creature in Christ is made Spiritually in Christ.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, [the Trinity]

Amen?

Thee is so much inserting and reading between the lines...NO ONE could naturally come to your conclusion. No one would turn from the simple truth of scripture that informs us in a very simple manner..day 3 tree's and day 6 man.

 

[Aman777]

I'm trying to understand your view...but it seems to fail over and over again.
Once again plants..day 3. Mankind, day 6. IT'S WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. NO RE-WRITE REQUIRED.

Once again you mis-apply scripture when you try to understand the meaning of "image". For some reason you seem to think Col 1:5 fits, or explains your meaning...Hint. the bible isn't that difficult.
Your view is built on shifting sand and has collapsed.

I do see how you are required to twist meaning of words to cram them down your view and false understanding.

Let me say this to you again....NO WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY ADAM WAS MADE ON DAY 3. NO WHERE. .....This is something you have interpreted into scripture...this is something you have misread into scripture. This is something you have injected into scripture.

Once again...there is not one denomination...NOT ONE..that even considers your false view...NOT ONE. In fact you can't even name one that does.

Here is the Scripture:

Gen 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day according to Gen 1:10.

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Plants, herbs, and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day according to Gen 1:12.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Conclusion: On the 3rd Day or the SAME Day the Earth was made, but before the plants GREW, Lord God/Jesus made Adam of the dust of the ground and breathed life into him. THEN He made the plants and trees:

Gen 2:8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

When were the trees made? On the 3rd Day according to:

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

 

[Aman777]

Thee is so much inserting and reading between the lines...NO ONE could naturally come to your conclusion. No one would turn from the simple truth of scripture that informs us in a very simple manner..day 3 tree's and day 6 man.

I agree and that is what God told us:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Amen?

 

[Archie the Preacher]

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/7-day-creation-literal-or-figurative.7682639/
I see the above thread has found new life. It's one of those topics that will be discussed forever. While my position is that the first chapters of Genesis refer to the historical events surrounding God's creative acts, I find the "literal or figurative" debate to be a false dichotomy.

Just for the record, I don't. But we can agree to disagree.

I have fun discussing my view and the views of others when the participants have the right attitude. But I think of such discussions as speculation. If pressed with, "What really happened?" my answer would be, "I don't know."

So why do so many seem to find that an unsatisfactory answer?

I think that's a great answer. It also has the benefit of being delightfully honest. In all honesty, I cannot supply detailed information on everything which happened, but I think I have some realistic answers in large terms.

Why do so many seem to find your answer unsatisfactory? Again, I have some ideas but am withholding them as I do not want to be accused of putting words in other people's mouths. Feel free to ask me privately.

 

[mark kennedy]

OK it's a pattern. That is figurative. Jesus is the second Adam. That's figurative. Adam is the first Jesus. That's figurative.

Let's let the Scriptures speak for themselves, let's let Paul tell us what he thinks of Adam and original sin. Original sin is a Pauline doctrine and Paul explicitly states that the reason that all sin is because when Adam sinned we did not fast. According to Paul:

Sin came as the result of, 'many died by the trespass of the one man' (Rom. 5:15), 'judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation' (Rom. 5:16), the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man (Rom. 5:17), 'just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men' (Rom. 5:18), 'through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners' (Rom. 5:19).
​

The book of Romans tells us that God's invisible attributes and eternal nature have been clearly seen but we exchanged the truth of God for a lie (Rom 1:21,22). As a result the Law of Moses and the law of our own conscience bears witness against us, sometimes accusing, sometimes defending (Rom 2:15). We all sinned but now the righteousness of God has been revealed to be by faith through Christ (Rom 3:21). Abraham became the father of many nations by faith and the supernatural work of God (Rom 4:17). Through one man sin entered the world and through one man righteousness was revealed (Rom 5:12)

Lets see then:

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

So "the deep" is a literal thing. Can I go make one?
So "the Spirit of God was hovering" is one thing...or a mist everywhere...or like a sheet...or the silence when the wind stops?

It's a literal thing, Moses was not there at creation, neither was Job, God related to both what happened during creation week:

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?

“Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?

“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place, (Job 38:4-12)​

3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day

Why do we turn on a "light" when we should be literally turning on a "day"?

Because it was 'wrapped it in thick darkness', the first order of business was the atmosphere and the water that covered the earth, 'face of the deep'. Basically the clouds were thinned out enough for light from the sun, already created 'in the beginning', to be able to shine through. There would have been very little differentiation between day and night, the object here is not the entire day but the entrance of light.

13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night,

OK, so the sun was created on day 4. The first three "normal 24 hour days" had no sun.
I would not say these were normal literal days, being no sun and all.
And the plants have been sitting there in the dark as well.

The doctrine that the sun was created day 4 is extra-biblical, on day four God 'set' the sun, moon and the stars in the heavens. Just as the atmosphere was adjusted day 1 to let in the light in was still being adjust to make the heavenly lights clearly and regularly seen. The wording and the progression is unmistakable.

27So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Here God creates metaphors. Us.

I used to believe as you do.

So now I'm a metaphor? I don't know what you believe or what you used to believe but there is no figurative language in Genesis 1 or the entire Pentateuch for that matter. The ancient Hebrews loved figurative language and it colors much of the wisdom and prophetic literature but you will find none in Genesis 1. The reason is that it's written as historical narrative and you don't get to call it figurative because you don't believe it or taking it literally is unpopular. What's to stop you from doing that with the Gospels? Think about what your saying, more importantly, think about what the author originally intended.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

No, there aren't two *biblical* versions of creation. If you're referring to the "version" in Chapter 1 and thinking it's a different "version" from what's in Chapter 2, you need to realize that Chapter 2 is simply a detailed description of Day 6 instead of a different version of creation.

I think that is pretty obvious, the focus is shifted and the narration does a back step. You get a big broad view of creation in Genesis 1:1, then the narrowed view of creation by day. Then the focus narrows yet again on the garden, the domesticated plants and two very important trees, as well as details concerning the creation of Eve.

They don't really get the separate account idea from the text, they based it on the introduction in chapter 2 of the covenant name of God in the Old Testament, Yahweh. It's part of the old JEPD higher criticism thing and it outlived it's usefulness a long time ago. Elohim is the word used in Genesis 1, it simply means God Almighty. Yahweh goes back to when Moses asks God who is speaking from the burning bush, 'who shall I say sent me'? God replies with I AM THAT I AM, that became the covenant name, the Jews translate it the Eternal One since the words are in the present continuous tense. It's just worn out Bible criticism that collapses under close scrutiny.

Grace and peace,
Mark