Setting the Record Straight

[miknik5]

People of every religion do not have THE SON who came into the world

Many will profess god(s) but deny THE SON

He who denies THE SON denies THE FATHER who sent

He who has THE SON, has THE FATHER also

GOD has glorified and magnified HIMSELF in HIS SON

What religion can claim that GOD who is HOLY, HOLY, HOLY...has provided a way for man who is not holy, holy, holy?

This is what I claimed which you called "irrelevant?"

Not at all irrelevant

 

[miknik5]

People of every religion do not have THE SON who came into the world

Many will profess god(s) but deny THE SON

He who denies THE SON denies THE FATHER who sent

He who has THE SON, has THE FATHER also

GOD has glorified and magnified HIMSELF in HIS SON

What religion can claim that GOD who is HOLY, HOLY, HOLY...has provided a way for man who is not holy, holy, holy?

Irrelevant.

You can claim all you want that your religion makes as many claims as you want that you allege that it is true, but people of every religion also make many claims that they allege proves their religion to be true.

You still haven't shown me anything that Christianity has that other religions don't. Sure, there are differences in details, but the main things that you have in your faith are present in many other faiths as well. Miracles, deities, amazing events, divinely inspired books, it's all there.

Show me where I discussed "religion"?

You in your posts show that you do not have an understanding in the difference between religion and the TRUTH of GOD

That is very important and very relevant to TRUTH

 

[AV1611VET]

People of every religion make the claim that their faith puts the others to shame.

 

[Colter]

People of all religions have miraculous experiences, encoutners with God, or whatever else you want to describe it as. Christianity does not have a monopoly.

A friend of mine once converted to Islam from Christianity because she had a vision of Muhammad. She was entirely convinced that it was real. If you want me to believe that your divine experience is evidence for your particular flavour of Christianity, then you should also hold my friend's experience is evidence that Islam is the correct faith, shouldn't you?

Or are you going to invoke the double standard I see so often and claim that it's only evidence when it supports the position that you agree with?



No, not at all.

For the last page or so, I've been pointing out that the different religions of the world all say pretty much the same thing. But there's also science, and it says something that no religion ever has:

"Don't take my word for it, go and see the evidence for yourself."

All religion can do is make the claim, and at the end of the day, all religion has are the claims it makes. But science has evidence. I don't need to take a scientist's word for it that the speed of light is what it is. I can go and make the measurements for myself. But I can never check for myself to see if the Christian version of creation is more accurate than the Hindu version.

And that is why I follow the science. And since science has never come to a point where God is the only possible answer, I do not believe in God.

Science is worthless in analyzing spirit.

"Technical analysis does not reveal what a person or a thing can do. For example: Water is used effectively to extinguish fire. That water will put out fire is a fact of everyday experience, but no analysis of water could ever be made to disclose such a property. Analysis determines that water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen; a further study of these elements discloses that oxygen is the real supporter of combustion and that hydrogen will itself freely burn." UB55



I explained earlier, people seeking God can find God and have experiences with the spirit in any religion.

"Rationalism is wrong when it assumes that religion is at first a primitive belief in something which is then followed by the pursuit of values. Religion is primarily a pursuit of values, and then there formulates a system of interpretative beliefs. It is much easier for men to agree on religious values—goals—than on beliefs—interpretations. And this explains how religion can agree on values and goals while exhibiting the confusing phenomenon of maintaining a belief in hundreds of conflicting beliefs—creeds. This also explains why a given person can maintain his religious experience in the face of giving up or changing many of his religious beliefs. Religion persists in spite of revolutionary changes in religious beliefs. Theology does not produce religion; it is religion that produces theologic philosophy."


I don't subscribe to the one religion is all right and another all wrong. Southern analogy, McDonalds and Chick-filet are two different restaurant brands, but they both serve food of varying quality.

 

[Radrook]

There's a goofy site that has me "apparently believing" the following; and I want to set the record straight here:


3. Cratering was the result of a battle between angels and demons.

This is correct.

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Cratering as found all over the solar system?

 

[JD16]

Cratering as found all over the solar system?

Maybe it was a galactic wide battle? Must have been epic! woot

 

[Radrook]

Maybe it was a galactic wide battle? Must have been epic! woot

That requires that we discard all the theories on how the cratering took place-correct?That is unless we imagine them hurling rocks and boulders at each other, repeatedly missing and striking planets, asteroids, and moons in the process instead.

It requires they leave their place of habitation-materialize AGAIN and start messing with our material realm when they could just as easily fight it out in the spirit realm or be restricted to duke it out there.

BTW
I never came across this idea before. Also, I know that as an atheist you consider the idea totally unacceptable.

 

[JD16]

That requires that we discard all the theories on how the cratering took place-correct?That is unless we imagine them hurling rocks and boulders at each other, repeatedly missing and striking planets, asteroids, and moons in the process instead.

It requires they leave their place of habitation-materialize AGAIN and start messing with our material realm when they could just as easily fight it out in the spirit realm or be restricted to duke it out there.

BTW
I never came across this idea before. Also, I know that as an atheist you consider the idea totally unacceptable.

Of course, I'm just going with AV's logic

 

[Kylie]

Irrelevant?

But I didn't do that
I didn't claim ANYTHING about religion.

I claimed the HOLINESS of GOD

Which is very relevant

People of every religion claim the holiness of their God.

 

[Kylie]

Show me where I discussed "religion"?

You in your posts show that you do not have an understanding in the difference between religion and the TRUTH of GOD

That is very important and very relevant to TRUTH

Once again, people of every religion make the same claim, that their particular system of beliefs is the TRUTH.

 

[Kylie]

Yeah, song, therefore true.

 

[JD16]

 

[Kylie]

Science is worthless in analyzing spirit.

"Technical analysis does not reveal what a person or a thing can do. For example: Water is used effectively to extinguish fire. That water will put out fire is a fact of everyday experience, but no analysis of water could ever be made to disclose such a property. Analysis determines that water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen; a further study of these elements discloses that oxygen is the real supporter of combustion and that hydrogen will itself freely burn." UB55

Was that from an actual scientist?

I explained earlier, people seeking God can find God and have experiences with the spirit in any religion.

"Rationalism is wrong when it assumes that religion is at first a primitive belief in something which is then followed by the pursuit of values. Religion is primarily a pursuit of values, and then there formulates a system of interpretative beliefs. It is much easier for men to agree on religious values—goals—than on beliefs—interpretations. And this explains how religion can agree on values and goals while exhibiting the confusing phenomenon of maintaining a belief in hundreds of conflicting beliefs—creeds. This also explains why a given person can maintain his religious experience in the face of giving up or changing many of his religious beliefs. Religion persists in spite of revolutionary changes in religious beliefs. Theology does not produce religion; it is religion that produces theologic philosophy."

A claim not supported by the facts. Religion is not persisting as well as you would believe.

I don't subscribe to the one religion is all right and another all wrong. Southern analogy, McDonalds and Chick-filet are two different restaurant brands, but they both serve food of varying quality.

But when each one says that it is the only place you are able to get food, there has to be some problem there if you are eating both.

 

[Colter]

Was that from an actual scientist?



A claim not supported by the facts. Religion is not persisting as well as you would believe.

But when each one says that it is the only place you are able to get food, there has to be some problem there if you are eating both.

You didn't include the Godless religion of Atheism.

I'm not a member of a church.



We are in a decidedly secular age that will culminate in disaster. When mankind suffers the dire harvest of the secularist revolt against God, he will be waiting for you to come home with a new attitude.

 

[AV1611VET]

Cratering as found all over the solar system?

Yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

It requires they leave their place of habitation-

Correct.

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

I never came across this idea before.

I actually got it from the Scofield Study Bible, where Scofield mentions that we see everywhere the marks of a great cosmic battle that took place in the past.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course, I'm just going with AV's logic

You know a winner when you see one, eh?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, song, therefore true.

True, therefore song.

 

[JD16]

You know a winner when you see one, eh?

Bhahahaha, I know enough to go with the flow....regardless of what I actually think, its a lot more entertaining this way lolz

 

[JD16]

True, therefore song.