Setting the Record Straight

[AV1611VET]

* I believe I can flyyy *

As I said: true first, then the song.

Otherwise it's just a ... song.

 

[JD16]

As I said: true first, then the song.

Otherwise it's just a ... song.

Well, people of other faith have wonderful songs too, doesn't mean its true, just that its a nice song, and I can appreciate it for what it is,..a nice song

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, people of other faith have wonderful songs too, doesn't mean it true,

That is correct.

Religion is responsible for some beautiful artwork and edifices.

However:

Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

 

[JD16]

That is correct.

Religion is responsible for some beautiful artwork and edifices.

However:

Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

"In verse 3:67, the religion of Submission (Islam in Arabic) is as old as Abraham who was Muslim (Quran 2:128, 2:131, 2:133). God specifically tells us that Abraham was neither Jewish nor Christian, but a monotheist Muslim. God even tells us that Jesus and the Disciples were Muslims (Quran 5:111), Solomon was Muslim (Quran 27:44) and all the prophets who were given the Torah were Muslims (Quran 5:44)."

WHAT QURAN SAYS ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS

Thats the problem AV, for every verse you can quote, there are verses from other scriptures that counters it, and all of you claiming to be the one true religion...you can understand why the non believer is so inclined to believe otherwise....

 

[AV1611VET]

"In verse 3:67, the religion of Submission (Islam in Arabic) is as old as Abraham who was Muslim (Quran 2:128, 2:131, 2:133).

That's a neat trick, seeing as Mohammad wrote the Koran some 2600 years after Abraham lived.

Thats the problem AV, for every verse you can quote, there are verses from other scriptures that counters it,

It's not a problem for me though.

The Scriptures ended in 96 AD.

That means the Koran, the book of Mormon, etc. can all take a hike.

... and all of you claiming to be the one true religion...you can understand why the non believer is so inclined to believe otherwise....

I can to a point; but God is not going to accept that as an excuse.

 

[JD16]

That's a neat trick, seeing as Mohammad wrote the Koran some 2600 years after Abraham lived.It's not a problem for me though.

The Scriptures ended in 96 AD.

That means the Koran, the book of Mormon, etc. can all take a hike.I can to a point; but God is not going to accept that as an excuse.

Uh huh, that's what you say and people of ...... you know where I'm going with this.

 

[AV1611VET]

Uh huh, that's what you say and people of ...... you know where I'm going with this.

Yes, I know where you're going.

I'm fond of asking those who bring up this and that from other religions this one question:

Do you believe that? if not, mind if I don't either?

So I'll ask you:

Do you believe Islam is as old as Abraham? if not, is it okay with you if I don't believe it either?

 

[JD16]

Yes, I know where you're going.

I'm fond of asking those who bring up this and that from other religions this one question:

Do you believe that? if not, mind if I don't either?

So I'll ask you:

Do you believe Islam is as old as Abraham? if not, is it okay with you if I don't believe it either?

Which is exactly what we Atheist are saying to you, do you believe in other religions? No? So you do understand why we don't believe in yours, that's all I'm saying. We do not discriminate between religions,...we disbelieve them all equally

 

[AV1611VET]

Which is exactly what we Atheist are saying to you, do you believe in other religions? No? So you do understand why we don't believe in yours, that's all I'm saying.

I said I understand.

I also understand that God is not going to accept that as an excuse.

We do not discriminate between religions,...we disbelieve them all equally

And God is not going to discriminate as to why someone didn't get saved.

What it amounts to you doing, JD, is you're saying: "I don't believe in God, so I'm exempt from any divine judgement."

HOWEVER, you guys take it too far.

You say to us: "Since you do believe in God, you must give all gods equal airtime."

In essence you're saying, "I don't believe in God, but if you do, then believe in all of them or else you're not being fair."

 

[JD16]

I said I understand.

I also understand that God is not going to accept that as an excuse.And God is not going to discriminate as to why someone didn't get saved.

What it amounts to you doing, JD, is you're saying: "I don't believe in God, so I'm exempt from any divine judgement."

HOWEVER, you guys take it too far.

You say to us: "Since you do believe in God, you must give all gods equal airtime."

In essence you're saying, "I don't believe in God, but if you do, then believe in all of them or else you're not being fair."

Oh no, I don't expect you or any believer of any particular religion to give equal airtime to all religion, that would be ridiculous.
I'm just stateing why we don't believe thats all.

'I don't believe in God, so I'm exempt from any divine judgement.'

No, that's not what we non believers are saying at all,...its the equivalent of saying, I want to commit a crime but I don't want to face the consequences, so lets pretend that there is no law,...I really doubt that that would fly when you're standing in front of a judge.

What we non believers are stating is we see no evidence of said God, therefore there is no need for any reverence to any Gods There is no pretending involved. It would be foolish if we did think there is a God, but pretend otherwise as stated by my eg above.

 

[Kylie]

You didn't include the Godless religion of Atheism.

Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby, and bald is a hair colour.

I'm not a member of a church.

So? I never said anything about churches. I was talking about religious belief.

We are in a decidedly secular age that will culminate in disaster. When mankind suffers the dire harvest of the secularist revolt against God, he will be waiting for you to come home with a new attitude.

And funnily enough, when you look at the countries that are most secular and least religious, they all look like pretty nice places to live. Low crime, high happiness. Funny that, isn't it?

 

[Kylie]

True, therefore song.

So songs are only about true things? That must be why Christianity is the only one that has songs.

I mean, it's not like any other religion has songs, is it?

Oh wait - people of ALL religions sing songs.

Once again, Christianity can offer nothing unique.

 

[Colter]

Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby, and bald is a hair colour.



So? I never said anything about churches. I was talking about religious belief.



And funnily enough, when you look at the countries that are most secular and least religious, they all look like pretty nice places to live. Low crime, high happiness. Funny that, isn't it?

You believe in and promote the godless philosophy of a godless universe. That is your belief, faith in the doctrines of doubt. You cant escape belief. You aren't simply neutral, don't care, stay off my lawn, rather you are here on a Christian forum promoting Atheism and battling faith. There are even Atheist that attend Unitarian services, its the strangest thing!?!? We can see that Atheist aren't particularly honest with themselves.

Typically Atheist pick smaller, homogenous, mostly white Scandinavian countries that are currently a part of the secular experiment, to imply that such secular countries are in some way superior due to their non-religious status. And secular citizens in those countries inherit the values that their former religious ancestors had passed down to them anyway, values that had been preserved by their former religious institutions. And personality is from God, morality is an innate endowment of human mind. The secularist congratulate themselves on their disassociation from religion or belief in God while in fact you are guided by the very same moral compass that comes from your creator. The prodigal son wondered around putting on a show for while.......

There are plenty of examples of political movement in history where leaders became unhooked from the guidance of the values of their core beliefs and launched into "logical exterminations" and oppression of millions of people due to their own bankrupt, secular ideas.

 

[miknik5]

So songs are only about true things? That must be why Christianity is the only one that has songs.

I mean, it's not like any other religion has songs, is it?

Oh wait - people of ALL religions sing songs.

Once again, Christianity can offer nothing unique.

They don't have CHRIST

 

[VirOptimus]

You believe in and promote the godless philosophy of a godless universe. That is your belief, faith in the doctrines of doubt. You cant escape belief. You aren't simply neutral, don't care, stay off my lawn, rather you are here on a Christian forum promoting Atheism and battling faith. There are even Atheist that attend Unitarian services, its the strangest thing!?!? We can see that Atheist aren't particularly honest with themselves.

Typically Atheist pick smaller, homogenous, mostly white Scandinavian countries that are currently a part of the secular experiment, to imply that such secular countries are in some way superior due to their non-religious status. And secular citizens in those countries inherit the values that their former religious ancestors had passed down to them anyway, values that had been preserved by their former religious institutions. And personality is from God, morality is an innate endowment of human mind. The secularist congratulate themselves on their disassociation from religion or belief in God while in fact you are guided by the very same moral compass that comes from your creator. The prodigal son wondered around putting on a show for while.......

There are plenty of examples of political movement in history where leaders became unhooked from the guidance of the values of their core beliefs and launched into "logical exterminations" and oppression of millions of people due to their own bankrupt, secular ideas.

There is so much wrong with this post that I dont even know where to start.

I suggest you get a basic understanding of moral philosophy, read some 101 books on the subject.

 

[Colter]

Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby, and bald is a hair colour.



So? I never said anything about churches. I was talking about religious belief.



And funnily enough, when you look at the countries that are most secular and least religious, they all look like pretty nice places to live. Low crime, high happiness. Funny that, isn't it?

You believe in and promote the godless philosophy of a godless universe. That is your belief, faith in the doctrines of doubt. You cant escape belief. You aren't simply neutral, don't care, stay off my lawn, rather you are here on a Christian forum promoting Atheism and battling faith. There are even Atheist that tend Unitarian services, its the strangest thing!?!? We can see that Atheist aren't particularly honest with themselves.

Typically Atheist pick smaller, homogenous, mostly white Scandinavian countries that are currently a part of the secular experiment, to imply that such secular countries are in some way superior due to their non-religious status. And secular citizens in those countries inherit the values that their former religious ancestors had passed down to them anyway, values that had been preserved by their former religious institutions. And personality is from God, morality is an innate endowment of human mind. The secularist congratulate themselves on their disassociation from religion or belief in God while in fact you are guided by the very same moral compass that comes from your creator. The prodigal son wondered around putting on a show for while.......

There is so much wrong with this post that I dont even know where to start.

I suggest you get a basic understanding of moral philosophy, read some 101 books on the subject.

Translation=you are right so we are snarky.

 

[bhsmte]

You believe in and promote the godless philosophy of a godless universe. That is your belief, faith in the doctrines of doubt. You cant escape belief. You aren't simply neutral, don't care, stay off my lawn, rather you are here on a Christian forum promoting Atheism and battling faith. There are even Atheist that tend Unitarian services, its the strangest thing!?!? We can see that Atheist aren't particularly honest with themselves.

Typically Atheist pick smaller, homogenous, mostly white Scandinavian countries that are currently a part of the secular experiment, to imply that such secular countries are in some way superior due to their non-religious status. And secular citizens in those countries inherit the values that their former religious ancestors had passed down to them anyway, values that had been preserved by their former religious institutions. And personality is from God, morality is an innate endowment of human mind. The secularist congratulate themselves on their disassociation from religion or belief in God while in fact you are guided by the very same moral compass that comes from your creator. The prodigal son wondered around putting on a show for while.......

Translation=you are right so we are snarky.

If trying to convince yourself of this brings you comfort, knock yourself out. It still doesnt change how wrong it is.

 

[Colter]

If trying to convince yourself of this brings you comfort, knock yourself out. It still doesnt change how wrong it is.

I don't need to convince myself of anything, you are still promoting Atheism on a Christian forum having lost your faith. You may think of yourself a special case but you aren't. You are just pushing the agenda of atheism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Once again, Christianity can offer nothing unique.

Merry Christmas to you too.

And for the record, a week from this Sunday we'll all be saying: HE IS RISEN! and hearing the reply: HE IS RISEN INDEED!

 

[Colter]

So songs are only about true things? That must be why Christianity is the only one that has songs.

I mean, it's not like any other religion has songs, is it?

Oh wait - people of ALL religions sing songs.

Once again, Christianity can offer nothing unique.

Atheism offers people the doctrines of death.