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Before I get to replying to you, Moriah, I'm just going to say something to this from Woob. :)

Why anyone would want to have pity for you while you act like this is beyond me!

The answer is simple as to why someone would have pity (or 'care', since pity can be negatively taken). Although I cannot answer for others, I care and love her because she is my sister, because she is a fellow human being. Do I need any more reason to do so? :) Thusly, nothing should alter this care because then it is not true. Does God allow someone who hates Him to make His love any less? No. Allowing something to do so for us is not letting God's love abide in us.

I wouldn't care if Moriah, or anyone else for that matter, hated me and abused me (to point out the extremes). I still see the wonderful person that lies underneath, the one that is just like me in many ways. ;)
 
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Why anyone would want to have pity for you while you act like this is beyond me!

We're done! I will not allow you to try to control me. You may get away with this with others, but it won't work with me. You will not manipulate me into feeling sorry for you.
Why you imagine that I'm even REMOTELY interested in "pity" or people "feeling sorry" is beyond me. You're totally in your own world with that one. I suspect you may be gazing into a mirror rather than looking at me, but I am not your judge. Your own words betray the obsession of your mind, not mine.

I would not have spoken so harshly to you had you respected my voice when I spoke with grace and gentleness. You wrung this from me by refusing to respect my simple request that you cease harassing me.
 
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I care and love her because she is my sister, because she is a fellow human being. Do I need any more reason to do so? :) Thusly, nothing should alter this care because then it is not true. Does God allow someone who hates Him to make His love any less? No. Allowing something to do so for us is not letting God's love abide in us.

I wouldn't care if Moriah, or anyone else for that matter, hated me and abused me (to point out the extremes). I still see the wonderful person that lies underneath, the one that is just like me in many ways. ;)
One click to count one in whom the Kingdom does indeed reside.
 
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Moriah, satan hates the words that IntotheCrimsonSky just typed.

Yet you recognize them as words God would be pleased with.

You aren't completely taken over, and that's obvious.

I think I read on here that you had been introduced to some occultish material and that satan gripped you from then on. Is that what happened?
 
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Firstly, I am deeply sorry for all of the pain you've had to go through in your life, Moriah. I really, honestly am. We were created to live a wonderful, happy, full life without all of these things and it breaks my heart to see events which destroy this chance.

It's awful that humans have been such a negative influence in your life, and your relationships with God. It just points out how easily we can mess up His truth, doesn't it? :(

I'm not going to try to argue you, or tell you anything you said was untrue. Simply because I am aware it is of complete truth to you, and I respect that. I do, however, have a question to ask if you don't mind. :)

Do you want a relationship with God? Or are you saying that you only want one with Satan now? I'm unclear on which you meant from the OP. (Not going to attack you if you answer the latter, btw.)

Keep in mind when I say "a relationship with God", I do not mean necissarily to be Adventist. I mean seperate from every other person on this earth and their viewpoints. Simply, with God Himself.

Blessings and Love,
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I read once of a counsellor who reported that a young lady came into his office complaining about the racism on campus. He was shocked, so he asked her to keep a special diary of all incidents of racism that she saw on campus over the next two weeks. When she came back there was nothing in the diary. What she perceived as racism was the fact that she was being ignored.

You try to help some people and they treat you like crap.

Then you have those who try to help even when they've been told their help isn't wanted because it is from "them."

Iniquity shall abound because the love of many waxes cold. It is as if the only place some people will get warm is in the fires of hell with that lying murderer Satan and his angels.
 
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Moriah, as I've sat here today and enjoyed the company of two of God's wonderful creations (two small children....full of life and curiousity), I cannot help but think of what a wonderful God we have.

Even though they're both 4, full of energy that I just do NOT have anymore, and their main goal this a.m. seems to be at least TOUCHING every single one of my son's toys before they toss them around his room like a hurricane...they're beautiful little souls and I love them.

You mentioned nothing making you angrier than a person messing with one of your children. Sister, I totally relate to that. We were given the instinct to protect them, and I seriously feel sorry for anyone that thinks they could harm one of mine.

God feels that way about ALL of us. We're all His children. That instinct to protect is so strong and you know exactly what I'm talking about. He feels that too or it wouldn't have been instilled in us. We're made in His image.

Moriah, when my husband and I were worldly and had everything money could buy, I can remember being very content. VERY content with that. I never gave thanks to God because I guess I felt like he and I deserved it. I didn't consider it a blessing, more like a reward for us working hard and having good "luck".

Everything material that we had was stripped away from us. In a matter of months, everything, including our beautiful home....was gone.

I suddenly didn't feel so protected anymore, and even though I STILL worked hard, everything I tried to do failed.

I started realizing, slowly but surely, that those things didn't really make me happy and that what really mattered was my family, and a one-on-one relationship with God.

I found God during that time and so did my husband.

Neither one of us would give up the relationship we found with God for those materialistic things, now that we know what it's like to know Him. We became TOTALLY different people.

Those "things" that we had taken away are what it took for God to get our attention. Boy, did He ever get our attention!

I can honestly tell you that my life has been harder SINCE I found God than before I did. It seems like the trials and tribulations got harder and more intense almost from the minute I accepted Jesus into my heart.

I was very deceived when I had my worldly life. I thought that if I was as wealthy and happy as I was that God was still in my life. He was still in my life, but I know He wouldn't have blessed some of the things that I did. I ignored the still small voice so many times it's not even funny.

I justified a lot of my actions, but I still knew they were wrong.

I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that the life a Christian is called to lead is NOT an easy one. We will be HATED for His name's sake. THAT is one of the promises.

It's easier not to be a Christian, that's for sure...but ALL, ALL, ALL sense of security and protection and wealth is all a big fat lie if you don't let Christ have your life Moriah.

With the way you love your children, could you honestly tell me that you'd tell them to accept satan as their protector?
 
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I just realized that part of what I said might be construed in the wrong way, so I want to clarify it before it becomes an issue.

Even though Christians are not promised an easier life on this earth, our reason for the decision to follow Christ now will only be revealed in eternity. Through it all, bearing all crosses, it is absolutely the only way to go.

We're to hate the things of this earth...and sister, I do. But I do love the people that touch mine.

Night, I have lost ALL respect for you. Your friend just professed that satan is her protector and friend and you chose a line against the Adventist church as what you wanted to emphasize.

I cannot believe you used your friend's confession as a way to hurt Wooba further.

We no longer have a friendship, if we ever had one to begin with at all. I still love you...but my respect for you is GONE.

Why not tell her that satan is not her friend and protector?

I'm sure you're going to say you've done it in PM. Okay, whatever.
 
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A known Satanist Bill Schnoebelen , sent a "tithe" cheque to the church of satan. A clerk at the bank sent the cheque back to Bill "NSF" and put on the back " I will be praying for you in the blood of JESUS AMEN" Well you can imagine Bill suddenly felt powerless he had lost his vampire-powers and his satanic powers ( yes bill was a vampire he lusted after blood it was all he could take in he drank the blood of a fallen angel and vice-versa) his blood-lust got to the point where he couldn't eat or drink anything but blood, But weird he could take of the eucharist offering (strange) So anyways God's power is awesome. He took a blood-drinking evil of the evils ( next to Alister Crowley) and he panicked. I say if we pray hard enough we can channel JESUS's power of LOVE and help anybody. A lowly nobody important Christian giving their life to Christ can bowl down the mightiest of sorcerers AMEN. Moriah I will pray for you my dear, You are NOT a harlot of satan and We love you sister, SDA doctrine and whole of Christianity has been wrought with nimble-minded people who condemn before they try somebody. " JESUS I plead your blood to over-come all darkness in our life's open our eyes and protect us the from the straight and narrow, fix our eyes on your hard and treacherous road and I will lean on your staff and sing your praises. AMEN........I don't usually type out a prayer but I mean all of it. Praise GOD for the life he offers us through HIS sacrifice AMEN
 
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Night, I have lost ALL respect for you. Your friend just professed that satan is her protector and friend and you chose a line against the Adventist church as what you wanted to emphasize.

It was not a line against the Adventist church Trust. Read it again. It was a line against self-supporting institutions that attack the mainline SDA church. I was showing support for the mainline church by highlighting it.

That being said, you have not seen or experienced the damage sinless perfection theology can do to a person. I have. And as long as Moriah speaks out against that which has shattered her whole being, I will support her.

I cannot believe you used your friend's confession as a way to hurt Wooba further.

How in the world did I do that? My acknowledgement of that one portion of what Moriah claimed had nothing to do with Woob. I was not even thinking about him when I addressed it.

Hurt Woob any further? :doh: Oh brother. Trust, that is rich. Woob has done nothing but attack Moriah, derail my threads, take cheap shots at me and make himself a complete nuisance on this forum. And yet you do not once address his unacceptable behavior.

Whatever. If you want to fall for Woob's 'poor me I'm always the victim' mentality, go ahead. I see right through it.

We no longer have a friendship, if we ever had one to begin with at all. I still love you...but my respect for you is GONE.

Trust, I have never once said anything with the desire to gain your respect or anyone else's. I speak my mind, and if people don't like it, that's fine. I am not going to pussyfoot around with what needs to be said just because you may personally not agree with what I say.

Why not tell her that satan is not her friend and protector?

Since when is it my job to 'fix' Moriah? If you want to try, go ahead. Don't judge me just because I choose not to. Moriah's trauma goes a lot deeper than anyone of us can ever 'fix'.

Also, Moriah is not stupid. She knows I do not agree with some of her more controversial statements. Why the need to loudly announce it here? :confused:

I'm sure you're going to say you've done it in PM. Okay, whatever.

No, I haven't done it at all. I don't feel it is my job or my responsibility to 'save' her from her demons. What I did tell her in PM was strongly advise her to tone down what she is saying if she wants to last here for any amount of time. Make no mistake, I have made it clear to her that she is setting herself up to be banned from here by some of the things she is choosing to post.

It's become obvious that she is probably not going to take my advice, and that's fine. She wants the freedom to say what she has to say. She will most likely get banned from here, and if that is the road she chooses to take, I won't stand in the way of that. I have already told her I want her to stay around, but as long as she continues to post the things she has, it is not very likely to happen. She knows this. I don't have to warn her again on a public forum.

Furthermore, do you realize how many years she has been afflicted? And you suppose my challenging some of the things I don't agree with is going to suddenly make everything alright? Come on!

If you want some re-assurance that I am not 'siding' with Satan, I am offended. That should be a given. Just because I am being kind and gentle with Moriah does not imply I side with the dark forces who have a grip on her.

Perhaps you want me to use Woob's loud, bombastic, condemning approach. Sorry, that's not going to happen.

Well, I guess now I know why you ignored my buddy list PM to you.

If this is how you want to go out Trust, I can't stop you. But I guess if it wasn't this, it would have been something else down the road. :sigh:

I have perused the archives and I saw how you were once friends with Sophia and then suddenly turned on her once you discovered she had rejected EGW. So I guess I shouldn't be suprised this has happened.

I don't know what your criteria is for calling others your friend Trust, but if it is full agreement with what you believe and complete compliance to how you fel a person should act, I will never fit that bill. Sorry.
 
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Johnathan,

I am sure you offered that based on your own knowledge but it is truly a bad example to show anyone who has been where Moriah has been.

Sanquines' aka bllod drinking vampires do not have 'powers' that is the Hollywood portrayal. Sanquines do not 'lust' after blood its far closer to 'jonsing' for a fix. Falen angels are none corporeal it is not possible to drink their blood BUT it is possible to have one rip through you if you choose to dare to become a strigoi. Most will have their mind shredded trying.
No sanguine lives on blood alone even the strigoi-vii for malnutrition will kill them if blood borne infections do not get them first. Most have short lives thanks to infections; HepB & C anyone?


Alister Crowley is 'so-so' he certainly was not the most evil or depraved human to walk this planet although he was assurradly a good showman. I can think of far worse individuals to name.

And Moriah does know a strigoi (a 'true' vampire) who choose Christ who still has their name.

Moriah,
Spiritual abuse has the potential to exist in each and every denomination.
Remember the adversary's mo is to covert that which is Gods and it does not care how it gets it or what lies it takes to steal it away. Twisting scripture and perverting the gospel of grace is one of that's all time faveourites.

It will hold a mirror up to you and you will see yourself reflected in it and think that is the adversary itself.

Come find me in BSA about this though.
 
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It's a bad example ? He folllowed SATAN and a Christian prayed for HIm a nobody and HE turned his life to Christ I think its a wonderful testimony how people can come back to the heart of worship out of darkness. I know you had good intentions reinterating on what I typed and Moriah doesn't post in the SDA section to try and chastice people. I'm sure she knows there are good people here and she needs fellowship and love even if she is enveloped with Demons. Thanks for the knowledge of sanqueins It makes sense most get blood infections . Thank for the info and NO I didn't think you was attacking me or anything. I have the armour of JESUS and HIS blood nothing gets through anymore AMEN.
 
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Out of what crypt they crawl, I cannot tell
But every night I see the rubbery things
Black, horned, and slender, with membraneous wings
And tails that bear the bifid barb of hell.
They come in legions on the north wind's swell,
With obscene clutch that titillates and stings,
Snatching me off on monstrous voyagings


To grey worlds hidden deep in nightmare's well.
-- H.P. Lovecraft, "Night-Gaunts"
http://www.istrianet.org/istria/legends/vampires/strigoi.htmThis is maybe what happened to Bill a Strigoi let him in gest his blood hmmmm could be.
 
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Johnathan,

Moriah does know me and neither of us find anything in Bill's claims to support his assertions he was a satanist much less a vampire.

The only claim he made that does check out is being a first degree alexandrian wiccan. He never got as far as second let alone third.
 
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Out of what crypt they crawl, I cannot tell
But every night I see the rubbery things
Black, horned, and slender, with membraneous wings
And tails that bear the bifid barb of hell.
They come in legions on the north wind's swell,
With obscene clutch that titillates and stings,
Snatching me off on monstrous voyagings

To grey worlds hidden deep in nightmare's well.
-- H.P. Lovecraft, "Night-Gaunts"
http://www.istrianet.org/istria/legends/vampires/strigoi.htm
Just so you know...stuff like this is very triggering..may I ask you edit it? Not just for Moriah, but for me...I have been through abuse and such..and that is very triggering..
 
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Moriah, this is great. Do I have permission to use it sometime? :thumbsup:

Thanks to all in this thread who are taking the time to treat Moriah with kindness.

Thanks to Woob for showing us how it should not be done.


You are under the same authority as Moriah. I do not care if you report this as a flame, twist my words, play the innocent party. I will stand out against you on this, and I too have lost all my respect for you.


Open rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding than a hundred blows into a fool.


This thread is an abomination to the Lord. This will be my first and last contribution and I urge the faithful to not walk in the counsel of the ungodly.



Moriah, I am praying for you. Your friend Lucifer cannot change His fate. You can.
 
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