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I think that it's both demons and fallen angels (What ever their origin is / nephilim etc.) that possess people.
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I think that it's both demons and fallen angels (What ever their origin is / nephilim etc.) that possess people.
Again, their origin is as the spirits of the union between the fallen angels and the women that they bred offspring with.
God has a very specific plan for humans on this earth. That plan was not to include hybrid species. That's why they are unredeemable. They were not supposed to do that! So God punished the ones responsible and killed the rest. But they are all still wandering the earth, unless they have had a unwitting soul invite them in.
It wouldn't surprise me if the government made deals with them (when they were masquerading as Aliens in UFO's) to be able to abduct people with impunity.
Almost every single story of UFO abuction that I ever heard about they were saying that the Aliens always diddled with their reproductive systems in some way. Gathering biological material perhaps? And all the cow mutilations? Genetic material. Why couldn't they be cloning bodies for themselves for the Nephilim spirits to inhabit and thereby increase their numbers.
They are prolly hiding them underground all over and will release them at their chosen time...
You would agree that Both fallen angels And demons can possess people though right ?
Well, I think that perhaps they "can" if they so desired to but whether or not they would actually want to is another question. I do not believe that (even if they could) that it was a typical thing for them to do. Otherwise we should see it in the new testament, right?
Jesus cast out a lot of demons, the Apostles casted out (most) evil spirits, but I've never been able to find where it said that a fallen angel was cast out of someone, anyone. I think that would be there if it happened or was a typical thing to happen.
If you think about it, the fallen angels probably all survived the flood in Noah's time. How's that, you say?
They can fly.
Scripture says no such thing.There is one idea i have hear before. That the antichirst may be a product satan having a sexual encounter with a women and she birth this person.
I'm pretty sure their name of what they were called was changed after the rebellion. (Angel to demon, I don't know though)
Satan does enter Judas in the NT.
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In fact Satan can appear as Christ and his fellow fallen angels can appear as angels coming to earth with "Christ" who is in fact a false Christ - Satan "as a being of light" - Satan appearing as Christ.
2 Cor 11:12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness.
2 Thess 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
Matt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect
The ultimate false Christ - the one that could have a very good chance of deceiving even the very elect - is the one that comes as a bright and shiny Christ appearing in the heavens surrounded by a lot of bright and shining angels.
But as you also say - they can appear as normal humans or as Rev 16 says - they can appear as "frog-like" beings. To be "like frogs" does not mean they appear to BE frogs. Rather they appear to have some feature like a frog's feature in some aspect of their appearance.
Rev 16:13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; 14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. 15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.”) 16 And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon.
So, with that established, I would argue that humility best defense against demons or the devil posing as angels, or as Jesus Christ, or as ordinary men, or anything else, is humility, especially in the case of them posing as persons of holiness, such as our Lord or the Blessed Virgin or God the Father (be extremely suspicious of any appearance of God the Father, as many Patristic authorities and contemporary theologians believe that God the Father has no physical appearance, and that this explains “no one can see God and live” and “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him”, so there is strong reason to believe any appearance of God the Father specifically as a Zeus-like figure is false; I myself experienced one in a dream, and my confessors have advised me that it was likely of a devilish origin, particularly given the nonsensical things said; in general the Orthodox are mistrustful of dreams as these can easily be manipulated). So if you think you are encountering an angel, or a saint, or God, whether in the person of the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost, you should make the sign of the cross, test that spirit, as per St. Paul, making sure what it says is consistent with the Gospel of Christ our God as understood by the Early Church and as reflected in the Nicene Creed, et cetera, and above all, humble yourself, asking yourself “am I worthy to be receiving instructions from Christ, or to be encountering this holy person, or this angel?” It is also an Orthodox teaching that if on the road you encounter a priest and an angel, you should greet the priest first, for the priest handles the Body and Blood of our Lord routinely, things at which the angel is not permitted to gaze, and the angel could well be a demonic imposter. So could the priest, for that matter, but there are enough hypocritical clergy out there that I doubt the devil would need to impersonate one, unfortunately, however, we must in admitting this fact avoid anti-clerical excess, because all of us are sinful, and the important thing is that clergy admit their sins, which in the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox liturgies they do (the Byzantine Rite requires the priest to beg the forgiveness of the congregation, for he has sinned, during the Divine Liturgy, while the last thing the priest in the Syriac Orthodox liturgy says to his congregation is a request for their prayers; additionally I would note that to claim that sacraments officiated by a sinful priest are inefficacious is the heresy of Donatism, which was fashionable in the late fourth and early fifth century; the joke there is of course that there are no sinless men, so the idea of the early Waldensians that any worthy Christian man could administer the sacraments is rather deeply flawed because there are no worthy Christian men to be found on this planet; everyone is a sin and all of us must humble ourselves before God and confess our sins, only then through the grace of the Holy Spirit might we improve.
- Proverbs 16:18: "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."
- Ecclesiastes 7:8 "Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit."
- Proverbs 11:2 "When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom."
- Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) 10:12-13 : "The beginning of the pride of man, is to fall off from God. Because his heart is departed from him that made him: for pride is the beginning of all sin: he that holdeth it shall be filled with maledictions, and it shall ruin him in the end."
- James 4:6: "But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
- 1 Peter 5:5 "Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble."
Who is the One sitting on the throne in Rev 4:2-3 whom St John saw?many Patristic authorities and contemporary theologians believe that God the Father has no physical appearance, and that this explains “no one can see God and live” and “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him”,
While Roman Catholics and Mormons commonly depict God the Father in pictures, I understand that the EO and OO do not like pictures of our Heavenly Father.so there is strong reason to believe any appearance of God the Father specifically as a Zeus-like figure is false;
Who is the One sitting on the throne in Rev 4:2-3 whom St John saw?
While Roman Catholics and Mormons commonly depict God the Father in pictures, I understand that the EO and OO do not like pictures of our Heavenly Father.
Thanks for the mention @The LiturgistSince this post references the Oriental Orthodox as well as the Eastern Orthodox, I feel obliged to mention it to my friends @dzheremi and @coorilose , and additionally I should like to know if what I say comports with traditional Lutheran and Anglican theology and for that reason I shall mention my friends @MarkRohfrietsch @ViaCrucis @Andrewn @Philip_B and @Shane R .
LOL on the Anglicans!!!Thanks for the mention @The Liturgist
I don't think I want to be hung out to dry and the various aspects of human, angelic, demonic and spiritual beings. It is an area where I suspect the old maxim holds - if all the Anglicans in the world were laid end to end they would never reach a conclusion!
On the matter of depicting the Father in Iconography, I have this image my brother took of the interior dome of an Orthodox Cathedral I think in Bucharest.
You can make fun of us if you like.LOL on the Anglicans!!!
Yes, according to the article you cited, "Most Orthodox Christians are aware of the Church’s prohibition of any depiction of God the Father. The 1667 Synod of Moscow canonically forbade the depiction of God the Father in icons, though this canonical decision has not always been obeyed."In this context, however, we are not given the impression that this image refers to the hypostasis of the Father, but to God in His unified simplicity, i.e. in His oneness (The Synod of Moscow describes this vision as being of the Son).
No, Abrahams's visitors could not have been persons of the Holy Trinity. Two of them proceeded to visit Lot in Sodom, and the sodomites wanted to "know" them. Abraham's visitors with Christ the Lord and the two angels who proceeded to go to Sodom.Personally, the only one I really like where the Father is depicted is Rublev's "Hospitality of Abraham" or the "OT Trinity".
Fallen angels are defined as those angelic beings who are determined by Law as traspassers, that is, Law breakers. Then they will be jailed in Abyss till the coming of the Final Judgment. Then 'technically' they will be thrown to the Lake of Fire.
Before they break the Law, they may choose to make themselves a human-like body by making a decision on breaking the Law. For example, when an angel made a decision on making a body in order to taste how he can marry a human woman, he does so by breaking the Law. Afterward there's no chance that he can do it the second time, as he is supposed to be jailed in Abyss as an action of the Law. This fallen angel however may still find a way to make use of his capability to cast influence on humans on earth and on those wicked souls remain in Hades.