Sending atheists to Hell is Evil

[ThinkForYourself]

... But the more I got into it, the more I realised this was meant to be taken with that and that to be taken with this. God's word is never one-dimensional. ...

So God's word isn't one dimensional. If God didn't make himself clear, and everyone is allowed to interpret His word any way they want, what makes you think that your interpretation is correct one?

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I'm an atheist, and according to the bible I am going to Hell.

Why would God torture me for all eternity for something I have no control over?

I learned what I learned. I was raised the way I was raised. When I was young, I opened my heart to God, but he couldn't be bothered showing up.

I don't believe in God. That's the way it is. I could lie and say I do, but God is all knowing, so he would know I don't believe.

In the end, God is responsible for the fact that I don't believe.

Torturing me for eternity, because of something He failed to do, is Evil.

Sending professed 'Atheists' to eternal Hell is just, quite fair, and fulfills the 'Atheists' greatest longing : To have absolutely nothing to do with God ...ones very own Creator . God simply grants it but without end.

In this short life, you can choose God to be your God or you can choose Secular Humanisms god which is Oneself putting you at the center of the universe and improper lifestyle choices. You choose , and God will surely grant. And afterwards, you wont feel cheated (only very regretful) . No one is ever a winner by playing the atheist-charade game.

 

[Tree of Life]

How could I be angry with something I don't believe in? That's like me saying I think you're angry at Pink Unicorns orbiting the moon.

I'm just pointing out that to torture someone for eternity, for something they have no control over, is evil...or perhaps I should have said immoral.

So is a lot of other totally unbelievable things. Why bother with this one? If we're wrong about it then that's our problem, not yours.

 

[Tree of Life]

I'm not worried about going to hell; I'm worried about the fact that you believe that is where I am headed and you are ok with belief alone determining who suffers for all eternity and who gets paradise.

Why be worried about this?

 

[Tree of Life]

Imagine if someone expressed a really awful racist sentiment that you took exception to. When you express your offense, they respond with

"If you don't believe what I said is true, why are you getting angry about it? Why worry about it?"

It's possible to not believe that a sentiment has any truth value to it whatsoever while still finding it to be offensive, and disagreeing with those who do consider it to be true.

Yeah but we're far from a place of determining any public policy based on this belief, as was not the case with certain racist beliefs of the past. It really has no relevance to how western societies will function. So why bother with it?

 

[Blessedj01]

No one explicitly said god was evil, although I could be wrong and I missed that. In any case, we are arguing that sending people to hell on the basis of belief alone is immoral; god could certainly do some evil things and still be considered overall "good".

Did you read the OP and the thread title?

God can't do evil, btw.

 

[Blessedj01]

I never said God was evil, I was speaking of one of his actions. Do you think torturing someone for all eternity for something they have no control over isn't evil (or immoral)?

How about addressing the issue, instead of making personal attacks?

Read the O.P please.

...and come back down to earth. No-one personally attacked you.

 

[Blessedj01]

So God's word isn't one dimensional. If God didn't make himself clear, and everyone is allowed to interpret His word any way they want, what makes you think that your interpretation is correct one?

It's precisely the opposite. It's taking verses out of context that allows for so many different interpretations.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Sending professed 'Atheists' to eternal Hell is just, quite fair, and fulfills the 'Atheists' greatest longing : To have absolutely nothing to do with God ...ones very own Creator . God simply grants it but without end.

No, God tortures people for all eternity based on something that is not the people's fault.

Surely you will grant that this is far worse than what happened to people in the holocaust, especially as like the Jews, atheists have no control over what they are being tortured for.

So, do you think the holocaust was an immoral/evil act?

In this short life, you can choose God to be your God or you can choose Secular Humanisms god which is Oneself putting you at the center of the universe and improper lifestyle choices. You choose , and God will surely grant. And afterwards, you wont feel cheated (only very regretful) . No one is ever a winner by playing the atheist-charade game.

That is silly. You can't "choose" to believe in God.

No more than you could choose to believe that Pink Unicorns are orbiting the earth.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

So is a lot of other totally unbelievable things. Why bother with this one? If we're wrong about it then that's our problem, not yours.

True, it is / will be your problem. But please don't lump the necessity for a personal theistic Creator being required for our personal, intelligent, information-based creation effects into that which is 'impossible' like flying Unicorns and other excuses ; whats utterly Impossible are for blind, random, non personal, non intelligent, non willful, non information-based , accidental , raw Materials and raw Chemicals to bring about ANY kind of a Universe from nothing then proceed to implement unchanging laws of physics to sustain it followed by bringing a life form from dead chemicals into existence then accidentally graduating to a 206 bone human being with an accidental brain that even brain-occupied Scientists cant begin to duplicate . .

A professed 'Atheist' who played the charade game all their life is a perfect match for a GodLESS eternity , just as Christ Lovers are a perfect match for an eternal Creator whom we love so dearly. If you wind up in Hell, do your best to enjoy the outcome since you wanted no part of God.

 

[Tree of Life]

That is silly. You can't "choose" to believe in God.

No more than you could choose to believe that Pink Unicorns are orbiting the earth.

Every belief that we hold is, at some level, a choice. This is because belief and behavior are inseparable and all behavior is done by choice.

 

[Tree of Life]

True, it is / will be your problem. But please don't lump the necessity for a personal theistic Creator being required for our personal, intelligent, information-based creation effects into that which is 'impossible' like flying Unicorns and other excuses ; whats utterly Impossible are for blind, random, non personal, non intelligent, non willful, non information-based , accidental , raw Materials and raw Chemicals to bring about ANY kind of a Universe from nothing then proceed to implement unchanging laws of physics to sustain it followed by bringing a life form from dead chemicals into existence then accidentally graduating to a 206 bone human being with an accidental brain that even brain-occupied Scientists cant begin to duplicate . .

A professed 'Atheist' who played the charade game all their life is a perfect match for a GodLESS eternity , just as Christ Lovers are a perfect match for an eternal Creator whom we love so dearly. If you wind up in Hell, do your best to enjoy the outcome since you wanted no part of God.

Check the faith icon, duder.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

It's precisely the opposite. It's taking verses out of context that allows for so many different interpretations.

God states in the bible that he is going to torture people for all eternity based on what they believe, ie something that is beyond their control.

Do you think it is moral to torture people for all eternity for something they are not responsible for, Yes or No?

 

[Blessedj01]

Why does everything always have to be pink unicorns or purple aliens?

Don't you guys know any other colours or mythical creatures to employ?

Our God is defineable by who He is and what He has done.

There is no comparison between the God of the Bible and some chatter about a flying horse.

 

[Blessedj01]

God states in the bible that he is going to torture people for all eternity based on what they believe, ie something that is beyond their control.

Here we go, you have taken a Biblical concept out of context and then added your own erroneous exegesis.

 

[Emmy]

Dear ThinkForYourself. God has given us free will, we can follow Christ and return to God, or we can go our own way, and end up in Outer Darkness,
where can be heard loud wailing and gnashing of teeth. Jesus told us in
Matthew 22: 35-40: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all
our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. The second is like it:
Love our neighbour as we love ourselves." In Matthew 7: 7-10: we can ask for Love and Joy, and receive Love and Joy. Then we thank God and share all Love and Joy with our neighbour: all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends. Jesus died that we might live, and Jesus died for all. God wants our Love, freely given and No conditions asked.
The Bible tells us: " Repent and be Born Again," give up our selfish wishes and wants, and learn to love and be compassionate. Jesus our Saviour will help and guide us: JESUS IS THE WAY. We just keep asking God for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all Love and Joy with our neighbour. We might stumble and forget often, but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on Loving and Caring. If any sending to Hell is done, it is done by somebody who DOES NOT WANT GOD. I say this with love, ThinkForYourself.
Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[keith99]

Sending professed 'Atheists' to eternal Hell is just, quite fair, and fulfills the 'Atheists' greatest longing : To have absolutely nothing to do with God ...ones very own Creator . God simply grants it but without end.

In this short life, you can choose God to be your God or you can choose Secular Humanisms god which is Oneself putting you at the center of the universe and improper lifestyle choices. You choose , and God will surely grant. And afterwards, you wont feel cheated (only very regretful) . No one is ever a winner by playing the atheist-charade game.

That rather depends on which version of Hell one uses. Using Dante's it is quite fair. Using the version so popular with modern Christians it is hardly fair on multiple levels. Not the least of which is that the modern version makes Hell a place designed for torment, hardly a hands off approach from God.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Why does everything always have to be pink unicorns or purple aliens?

Because, to me, Pink Unicorns orbiting the earth is just as believable as Yahweh, actually more believable, because I'm not ascribing supernatural power. As for purple aliens, that is far far more believable.

So it is my hope that by using this analogy you will gain some understanding into how atheists "believe" in god.

Don't you guys know any other colours or mythical creatures to employ?

How about a mauve Gryphon?

Our God is defineable by who He is and what He has done.

There is no comparison between the God of the Bible and some chatter about a flying horse.

There is just as much evidence that there is a Pink Unicorn orbiting the earth as there is for Yahweh.

 

[bhsmte]

Every belief that we hold is, at some level, a choice. This is because belief and behavior are inseparable and all behavior is done by choice.

A few questions for you please.

You state, at some level every belief is a choice.

Lets take a believer in a God for example. At what level is there belief a choice and at what level would you say, it is not a choice?

Would you say the same for non-believers? At some level their lack of belief is a choice and at some level it is not?

Could you give me an example of how; beliefs and behaviors are inseparable?

Lastly, you state all beliefs at some level are a choice. Does this mean, a believer can God can make a choice to not believe in a God and be successful in convincing themselves they are correct? Or a non-believer can choose to start believing in a God and convince themselves they are correct?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Every belief that we hold is, at some level, a choice. This is because belief and behavior are inseparable and all behavior is done by choice.

No, it's not a choice. As I've mentioned numerous times, you can't make yourself sincerely believe something. At least I can't.

And according to the bible, God gave me the brain I have, which doesn't allow me to believe in Him, so I will be tortured for eternity for something I'm not responsible for. Is that evil/immoral, Yes or No?