Sending atheists to Hell is Evil

[ThinkForYourself]

Read the O.P please.

...and come back down to earth. No-one personally attacked you.

I did. I never said God is Evil. I said the act of torturing someone for ever for something they have no control over is Evil.

Do you think torturing someone for eternity for doing something they are not responsible for is Evil/Immoral, Yes or No?

 

[Blessedj01]

Because, to me, Pink Unicorns orbiting the earth is just as believable as Yahweh, actually more believable, because I'm not ascribing supernatural power. As for purple aliens, that is far far more believable.

Sounds supernatural to me. So you'd rather believe something you made up, rather than honestly look at the scripture and testimony of 2000+ years of Christianity?

So it is my hope that by using this analogy you will gain some understanding into how atheists "believe" in god.

I think i understand just fine already, but thanks...

How about a mauve Gryphon?

How about a real God?

There is just as much evidence that there is a Pink Unicorn orbiting the earth as there is for Yahweh.

Actually, that's a false statement.

 

[Blessedj01]

I did. I never said God is Evil. I said the act of torturing someone for ever for something they have no control over is Evil.

Do you think torturing someone for eternity for doing something they are not responsible for is Evil/Immoral, Yes or No?

Who are you even talking to? Read the o.p that I responded to. It even has "evil" in the title.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

So is a lot of other totally unbelievable things. Why bother with this one? If we're wrong about it then that's our problem, not yours.

This is a Christian forum. And numerous Christians have told me that a) God is all loving, and that b) I'm going to hell for not believing.

I thought it would be interesting to see if any Christians could explain how God can be all loving, and at the same time do something that is considered Evil/Immoral by pretty well everyone: Torturing someone for all eternity for something they are not responsible for.

So far, after 11 pages, no Christian has come close to giving a reasonable explanation as to why this is not evil/immoral.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Who are you even talking to? Read the o.p that I responded to. It even has "evil" in the title.

Why do you keep avoiding answering the question:

Is torturing someone for all eternity for something they are not responsible for evil/immoral, Yes or No?

 

[Tree of Life]

This is a Christian forum. And numerous Christians have told me that a) God is all loving, and that b) I'm going to hell for not believing.

I thought it would be interesting to see if any Christians could explain how God can be all loving, and at the same time do something that is considered Evil/Immoral by pretty well everyone: Torturing someone for all eternity for something they are not responsible for.

So far, after 11 pages, no Christian has come close to giving a reasonable explanation as to why this is not evil/immoral.

So why not leave it be?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Sounds supernatural to me. So you'd rather believe something you made up, rather than honestly look at the scripture and testimony of 2000+ years of Christianity?

Why would I take stories written by people from the bronze age about a mythical being seriously? That makes no sense.

How about a real God?

If you can provide any actual evidence, please do.

Until then Yahweh is a mythical being/creature with stories written about him, just like Allah and Unicorns.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

So why not leave it be?

AFAIK, it is polite to respond to people who responded to me.

Question: Do you think it is evil/immoral to torture someone for all eternity for something they have no control over?

 

[bhsmte]

So why not leave it be?

I guess he could and walk away with a conclusion from what he has found.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Dear ThinkForYourself. God has given us free will, we can follow Christ and return to God, or we can go our own way, and end up in Outer Darkness,
where can be heard loud wailing and gnashing of teeth. ...

According to the bible, God gave me my brain. My brain refuses to believe in anything for which there is no evidence. This includes Yahweh, Allah, Bigfoot, Unicorns, Santa Claus, etc.

So I have no free will in this, and have no control over what I believe. I could lie and say I believe, even act as if I believe, but it would be a lie, and wouldn't God know?

Yet according to Revelation I am going to be tortured for all eternity, for something that is beyond my control. Do you think that is moral or good?

 

[Blessedj01]

Why would I take stories written by people from the bronze age about a mythical being seriously? That makes no sense.

Now this is just a flippant misrepresentation of what the bible is and what I said.

If you can provide any actual evidence, please do.

No, it's not my job to provide you evidence. God has and will. There's a plethora of information out there about what Christians claim.

Until then Yahweh is a mythical being/creature with stories written about him, just like Allah and Unicorns.

Do you want respect for your mockery? 'Cos you won't find that here.

 

[Blessedj01]

Why do you keep avoiding answering the question:

Is torturing someone for all eternity for something they are not responsible for evil/immoral, Yes or No?

I can't answer the question because that's not what the Bible says.

 

[Blessedj01]

According to the bible, God gave me my brain. My brain refuses to believe in anything for which there is no evidence. This includes Yahweh, Allah, Bigfoot, Unicorns, Santa Claus, etc.

So I have no free will in this, and have no control over what I believe. I could lie and say I believe, even act as if I believe, but it would be a lie, and wouldn't God know?

Yet according to Revelation I am going to be tortured for all eternity, for something that is beyond my control. Do you think that is moral or good?

Who cares, if you don't think it's true? Obviously something is bothering you.

I don't spend my days getting bent out of shape about other religions or atheists.

 

[Messy]

I'm an atheist, and according to the bible I am going to Hell.

Why would God torture me for all eternity for something I have no control over?

I learned what I learned. I was raised the way I was raised. When I was young, I opened my heart to God, but he couldn't be bothered showing up.

I don't believe in God. That's the way it is. I could lie and say I do, but God is all knowing, so he would know I don't believe.

In the end, God is responsible for the fact that I don't believe.

Torturing me for eternity, because of something He failed to do, is Evil.

So you tried once to find out if He existed, no sign and you gave up. You're not responsible for believing that He exists or not, but you are for searching.
Search and you will find, knock and the door will be opened.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Now this is just a flippant misrepresentation of what the bible is and what I said.

How is not believing a bronze age story about a mythical being flippant? You aren't making any sense.

No, it's not my job to provide you evidence. God has and will. There's a plethora of information out there about what Christians claim.

I'm pretty sure the bible says you are supposed to be interested in saving my soul.

And the fact that you make an excuse, instead of providing evidence, seems to indicate that you have no evidence.

Of course, you could prove me wrong....but that would require evidence.

Do you want respect for your mockery? 'Cos you won't find that here.

Requiring evidence is mockery? That sort of belief system is equivalent to gullibility.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

So you tried once to find out if He existed, no sign and you gave up. You're not responsible for believing that He exists or not, but you are for searching.
Search and you will find, knock and the door will be opened.

I'm on this site, asking questions.

This thread would be a perfect opportunity for God to inspire a forum poster to write something that would let me see the light.

So far God has chosen not to do that. And I can't make God do that.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

I can't answer the question because that's not what the Bible says.

Yes it does:
Revelation 21:8 New International Version (NIV)

8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

 

[Smidlee]

I did. I never said God is Evil. I said the act of torturing someone for ever for something they have no control over is Evil.

Do you think torturing someone for eternity for doing something they are not responsible for is Evil/Immoral, Yes or No?

You are referring to evil as subjectively or objectively?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

You are referring to evil as subjectively or objectively?

I think I used the wrong word. Immoral would have been better. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Smidlee]

I think I used the wrong word. Immoral would have been better. Sorry for any confusion.

Then subjective morality or objective morality?