Seeking A Solid Response

[Jane_Doe]

I know you'd like to distance yourself from JS, but you understand why this is literally impossible. LDS / Mormonism would not exist had it not been for the direct actions of this one man.

A man who is not the center of my faith. I am Christ's disciple.

I know that this is a hard concept for non-LDS folks to get, but JS isn't remotely the focus of my faith. If a person wants to say "well you church won't exist without him" they can, but they could also say the same about Moses or Paul or many others. I am not a Moses-ite or Paul-ite or JS-ite. I follow Christ: He is the Master.

 

[HitchSlap]

A man who is not the center of my faith. I am Christ's disciple.

But LDS are a Johnny-come-lately version of Christianity. The Mormon Christ is similar only in name to the Christianity Christ. They are two different characters entirely.

I know that this is a hard concept for non-LDS folks to get, but JS isn't remotely the focus of my faith.

Not hard to grasp at all, you intentionally avoid anything about your founder that you find distasteful and repugnant. I get it.

If a person wants to say "well you church won't exist without him" they can,

And they'd be right.

but they could also say the same about Moses or Paul or many others. I am not a Moses-ite or Paul-ite or JS-ite. I follow Christ: He is the Master.

Or any religion, as they all had beginnings.

 

[Jane_Doe]

But LDS are a Johnny-come-lately version of Christianity. The Mormon Christ is similar only in name to the Christianity Christ. They are two different characters entirely.

*rolls eyes*
LDS beliefs on Christ: He's the Son of God, 100% divine, 100% Man, ONE with the Father and Spirit, born of a virgin, crucified, rose again on the third day, perfect, Savior of the world, only Begotten, etc.

Not hard to grasp at all, you intentionally avoid anything about your founder that you find distasteful and repugnant. I get it.

"Avoiding" = addressing every single on of your comments?

I'm sorry if you want me to fall down and worship JS, pretend to have details on his life I don't have, usurp the judgment seat of God, or pretend he's the center of my faith. None of those things are happening.

 

[HitchSlap]

*rolls eyes*
LDS beliefs on Christ: He's the Son of God, 100% divine, 100% Man, ONE with the Father and Spirit, born of a virgin, crucified, rose again on the third day, perfect, Savior of the world, only Begotten, etc.

... spirit brother to Lucifer... Jesus (god) and exalted man...one of many spirit babies...

"Avoiding" = addressing every single on of your comments?

Yes.

I'm sorry if you want me to fall down and worship JS,

I don't care who you worship, god/s are a dime a dozen. I'm more interested in why people choose to worship the god/s they do.

pretend to have details on his life I don't have,

Certainly not. I prefer to discuss the facts we do have.

usurp the judgment seat of God, or pretend he's the center of my faith. None of those things are happening.

It's okay to judge someone based on their behavior... we do it all the time.

 

[Jane_Doe]

... spirit brother to Lucifer... Jesus (god) and exalted man...one of many spirit babies...

This is an excellent example of why you should get information from primary sources. Clarification as to actual LDS beliefs:
The Father is the Father of all. "All" includes every single person: you, me, the mail man, Taylor Swift, Hitler, Mother Teresa, Lucifer, Christ, etc. There is no other Father. Ain't no special relationship between Christ and Satan. Christ is special (unique actually) in the fact that He is the only Son of God.

"exalted man" quote is taken from a speculative statement (not actually doctrinal and not actually an official part of LDS theology) and isn't even talking about Jesus.

Yes.


I don't care who you worship, god/s are a dime a dozen. I'm more interested in why people choose to worship the god/s they do.


Certainly not. I prefer to discuss the facts we do have.

It's okay to judge someone based on their behavior... we do it all the time.

Sorry, I'm still not taking God's judgment seat, especially in a case with flawed info ~200 years ago. If you're comfortable with that jam, that's you.

 

[HitchSlap]

This is an excellent example of why you should get information from primary sources. Clarification as to actual LDS beliefs:
The Father is the Father of all. "All" includes every single person: you, me, the mail man, Taylor Swift, Hitler, Mother Teresa, Lucifer, Christ, etc. There is no other Father. Ain't no special relationship between Christ and Satan. Christ is special (unique actually) in the fact that He is the only Son of God.

"exalted man" quote is taken from a speculative statement (not actually doctrinal and not actually an official part of LDS theology) and isn't even talking about Jesus.

Sorry, I'm still not taking God's judgment seat, especially in a case with flawed info ~200 years ago. If you're comfortable with that jam, that's you.

Speaking of flawed information, the sort which asserts Native Americans are actually lost Israelites?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Speaking of flawed information, the sort which asserts Native Americans are actually lost Israelites?

Now you're just jumping topics.

 

[HitchSlap]

Now you're just jumping topics.

There are a few, aren’t there?