Secular music?

[pgp_protector]

Proverbs 7:2
Obey my commands and live! Guard my instructions as you guard your own eyes.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

So is this forum on the internet in the world ?

 

[Sketcher]

Floatingaxe, I understand what you're getting at, but not one of the verses you listed condemns secular music in general.

"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." - Philippians 4:8 (emphasis mine)

God does not need to be overtly mentioned in order for a song, book, movie scene, or painting to be any of these things.

 

[Zecryphon]

What are you asking? We all have the war within us as Paul did. We all have the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome! It is up to us to allow Him to control us and thereby we defeat the enemy working against us.

None of those scriptures clash in any way in their meaning. It's all good!

Was it also up to us to allow the Holy Spirit to draw us to God? Or did the Holy Spirit do that independent of our will?

 

[Floatingaxe]

to be fair, everything does vibrate and resonate at a certain frequency, even the earth as a whole makes a note.

Whoohooo! Creation sings!!

Isaiah 55:12
You will live in joy and peace.
The mountains and hills will burst into song,
and the trees of the field will clap their hands!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Was it also up to us to allow the Holy Spirit to draw us to God? Or did the Holy Spirit do that independent of our will?

So, where I assumed we had agreement in thought, I see a bit of opposition.

The Holy Spirit draws us to God. We, in resulting relationship with God, then must consecrate ourselves to Him.

You know the answer. Why the test? What has that to do with this? Once saved, we are to seek after God and His ways and His righteousness.

 

[Floatingaxe]

So is this forum on the internet in the world ?

CF has a Godly purpose...but the world is in here...plainly.

 

[staveoffzombies]

Ok, so basically your entire argument is this.

Every piece of secular music, secular movies, secular literature, secular ANYTHING that doesn't directly praise God, will pull us away from Him and if we enjoy anything secular then that makes us all bad Christians.

That about it?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Floatingaxe, I understand what you're getting at, but not one of the verses you listed condemns secular music in general.

"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." - Philippians 4:8 (emphasis mine)

God does not need to be overtly mentioned in order for a song, book, movie scene, or painting to be any of these things.

So, you think that those scriptures I posted were to condemn something?

 

[pgp_protector]

CF has a Godly purpose...but the world is in here...plainly.

Didn't you just post
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

Was that misused ?

 

[sebastian]

While it's true that they vibrate,
vibrate != music.
I'll even give you string theory, (cool subject but a bit OT for this thread )

string theory is great! as a musician myself i have a half emotive reaction to music and a half clinical one. I know that all i am doing is manipulating and altering frequencies in accordance with a culturally defined musical language that we have been born into. so can it be music? well, to some people maybe, depends what your into! if you speed up some of the sounds so they are audible it is quite beautiful, otherwise it sounds like that wierd stuff you get on the radio when your not tuned in properly on the am frequency.
sorry, i'm on a tangent.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Ok, so basically your entire argument is this.

Every piece of secular music, secular movies, secular literature, secular ANYTHING that doesn't directly praise God, will pull us away from Him and if we enjoy anything secular then that makes us all bad Christians.

That about it?

Nope. Secularity is toxic to us as King's kids. It has the potential for great harm to weak and good Christians alike! But we are all in process in our walk with Jesus. I am pointing out what He has taught me about holiness.

It's a good lesson about being careful about your choices. They ARE choices after all.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Didn't you just post
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

Was that misused ?

Misused? Not by me. For what purpose? That verse is what sin is all about.

 

[pgp_protector]

If All that is in the world is not of the father, and CF is in the world, then it's not of the father.

 

[Floatingaxe]

If All that is in the world is not of the father, and CF is in the world, then it's not of the father.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

Hey, honey, you are doing the extrapolation here...you tell us! Is CF a "worldly" enterprise? Is it driven by the flesh, by lust, by ego? You answer about the origins and mandate of CF.

 

[Cotmweasel]

as my youth pastor says "not all christian music is good and not all Secular music is bad" and I completely agree. however if someone doesn't wish to listen to Secular music at all I think thats awesome. but in the end thats between you and God.

 

[Zecryphon]

So, where I assumed we had agreement in thought, I see a bit of opposition.

The Holy Spirit draws us to God. We, in resulting relationship with God, then must consecrate ourselves to Him.

You know the answer. Why the test? What has that to do with this? Once saved, we are to seek after God and His ways and His righteousness.

No test, just trying to figure out what you believe. Why the paranoia?

 

[Floatingaxe]

No test, just trying to figure out what you believe. Why the paranoia?

Hehe ...no paranoia, dear, but you have been around these boards, have you not?

Sometimes who appears to be a brother isn't always a brother.

 

[Zecryphon]

Hehe ...no paranoia, dear, but you have been around these boards, have you not?

Sometimes who appears to be a brother isn't always a brother.

Shhh, we can't talk about those who must not be named as ________ converts. That's a major forum violation!

 

[Isomorphic410]

FloatingAxe: I think you are forgetting the big picture. It's all about how the music affects the listener. If someone is listening to music that fills them with anger and hatred, then yes that is a problem. To say that EVERYTHING a person does must directly glorify the Lord is frankly almost impossible. If you truly believe this, I hope you don't like to watch the news or any movies besides Charlton Heston Presents the Bible and Left Behind.

 

[JolieHeart]

The original question re: secular music...
There is good and bad in everything. Good/bad music, movies, websites, etc.

We can be in the world and not OF the world. Not all sec music is bad. People can listen to so-called secular music without internalizing negativity. Although there is "guilt by association," Listening to secular music does not glorify the bad music, same as Jesus eating with the sinners did not make him a sinner.