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Specifically television, movies & music. I was hoping that some of you could give me your view point on this subject.

Is it okay to watch secular TV/Movies or listen to secular music?

If so, where do you draw the line?

Thanks so much!

I personally am not against secular movies, music, tv or entertainment as long as I'm not compromising my beliefs. When it comes to movies I go to plugged in in line and research the movie.
 
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Specifically television, movies & music. I was hoping that some of you could give me your view point on this subject.

Is it okay to watch secular TV/Movies or listen to secular music?

If so, where do you draw the line?

Thanks so much!

I won't watch R rated movies. I won't put up with the f-bomb. Violence doesn't bother me unless it gets really gory. That's the practical side.

The other side is that some shows and movies carry a 'spirit' about them. I'm not saying that demons travel with the movie, but certain shows raise red flags in my spirit. I can watch NCIS without any problem, but everytime I would watch Criminal Minds, something just made my heart 'sick'. I cannot explain why I can't watch the show, but there's just something about it that my heart does not like. So I don't watch it. Call me crazy, but that's what I do.

For the record, there was a time where I wouldn't watch secular movies or TV, but the Christian shows and movies SUCKED SO BAD I couldn't stand to watch them. THANK GOD we have good Christian movies now like Facing the Giants, FireProof, and Courageous. At least Christians are finally getting quality entertainment.
 
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Specifically television, movies & music. I was hoping that some of you could give me your view point on this subject.

Is it okay to watch secular TV/Movies or listen to secular music?

If so, where do you draw the line?

Thanks so much!



I am totally in agreement with Jedi Kep and Importunity:thumbsup:

As far as music, listen to mainly oldies. My wife and I have a favorite classic rock group called "The Moody Blues", in which we have seen them in concert several times in the last eight years. (Nights in White Satin), (Tuesday Afternoon) and (The Other Side of Life) are my favorites. They are from England and started in 1966 or so. They might have been involved in drugs somewhat in their past. I have been praying for them and to get saved. John Lodge reports he became born again sometime back. I read somewhere that Justin Hayward accepted Christ. The main third original member is Creame Edge, he's a little wild yet.

A friend :wave:

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right now i'm searching for a decent news broadcast. I'm fed up with CBS Nightly News, which i've watched since i was in grade school.

i also watch NCIS and NCIS LA. I used to watch The Good Wife until they changed it. The first season was ok, but it's gotten trashy since then. I do watch some PBS historical programs and like them.
 
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For the record, there was a time where I wouldn't watch secular movies or TV, but the Christian shows and movies SUCKED SO BAD I couldn't stand to watch them. THANK GOD we have good Christian movies now like Facing the Giants, FireProof, and Courageous. At least Christians are finally getting quality entertainment.

Thank God for that! I love to watch 19 Kids and counting because it's the only Christian "reality" TV show that I know of :)
 
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Thanks for taking the time to reply. I really love to fellowship with all of you *hugs*

I tend to be pretty strict with what I'll watch and listen to. I spend a lot of time trying to renew my mind according to the word, and it just doesn't make any sense to pump counter-productive messages into my head.

I think I struggle with the more "neutral" secular things though. Like classical music, and seemingly innocent movies/shows. I think of James 4:4 "You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God." and I wonder where these movies/shows/songs really came from. I mean, if they're not coming from God, then where are they coming from? Is there really a "neutral" between good and evil? Maybe it's just a "gateway" movie/song designed to slowly desensitize us. Maybe it's nothing at all, and I just think way too deeply into every little thing. I've been told that my "faith is weak because I'll only eat vegetables" or something along those lines, and maybe that's true, but I personally can't see how examining our lifestyles is a sign of weak faith at all.
 
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I guess it is different for everyone, and compromises have to be made in a family situation, as you can't always expect to get everything your own way.

If it were up to me, I would watch and listen only to christian material, mabey some secular news or documentaries. But I have a family, a wife, and two daughters. We have a firm rule, that the girls can only listen to christian music, although any style they like. There is tons of christian music out there now in every genre that is as good if not even better than the junk the world calls music. This hasn't always been the case, but in the past decade the christian music scene has simply exploded with new, good stuff. My daughter especially is into the heavy screamo metalcore stuff, and there are some awesome christian bands making this kinda music today.

But we watch alot of family movies together, and frankly, there isn't enough good christian movies out there to keep us in stock. We do vet the movies carefully though. I'm not too hung up on the violence or the language, or even some sexual inference, after all, the Bible is full of violent stories, sexual improprieties, and you hear bad language in your day to day life. I am much more interested in the 'worldview' that is being presented; that is, what are they trying to say with the information? Is violence, language or sexual inference being presented in a way that glorifies it, or is it being presented as something negative that is being overcome, or fought agaisnt? I will not watch something that portrays these things in a postive light, or at least, I try not to.

Peace...
 
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There is tons of christian music out there now in every genre that is as good if not even better than the junk the world calls music. This hasn't always been the case, but in the past decade the christian music scene has simply exploded with new, good stuff.

WHAT? The past decade?

Styper - Barren Cross - Sacred Warrior - Deliverance - Tourniquet.

All awesome Christian bands from the 80's that I grew up on. :)

We, as well, only allow our daughters to listen to Christian music - and they have found much to enjoy. (Usually the church kids who dont like it have bene eating the junk of thje world too long. Sort of like not eating vegetables because the you have developed a taste for cotton candy).

We also are very strict about what we allow them to see on TV - we have trained them to have a "safe channel" to switch to when inappropriate commercials come on (such as the ones for viagra).

When we had our first daughter the Lord told us that she was a blank sheet and we must use wisdom with what we allow to be written upon her. That helps us today.
 
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WHAT? The past decade?

Styper - Barren Cross - Sacred Warrior - Deliverance - Tourniquet.

All awesome Christian bands from the 80's that I grew up on. :)

We, as well, only allow our daughters to listen to Christian music - and they have found much to enjoy. (Usually the church kids who dont like it have bene eating the junk of thje world too long. Sort of like not eating vegetables because the you have developed a taste for cotton candy).

We also are very strict about what we allow them to see on TV - we have trained them to have a "safe channel" to switch to when inappropriate commercials come on (such as the ones for viagra).

When we had our first daughter the Lord told us that she was a blank sheet and we must use wisdom with what we allow to be written upon her. That helps us today.

Okay, my bad. Sometimes I forget, I only got saved in 1997, so before that I had no knowledge of any kind of chiristian music, although I had heard that Bono of U-2 was a christian. I gues my knowledge of christian music is limited to that time period forward. Just because I wasn't aware of it doesn't mean it didn't exist, apparently!

Peace...
 
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Okay, my bad. Sometimes I forget, I only got saved in 1997, so before that I had no knowledge of any kind of chiristian music, although I had heard that Bono of U-2 was a christian. I gues my knowledge of christian music is limited to that time period forward. Just because I wasn't aware of it doesn't mean it didn't exist, apparently!

Peace...


I met Jesus in 1986 and at the time was listening to Ozzy, Scorpions, Motley Crue, etc. If it wasn't for the music minister at the little church I attended introducing me to some of the Christian Metal of the day Im not sure I would have made it!

Much of my early theology was crafted by those pioneer bands - and I had an early soapbox I used to jump up on whenever the debate about Christian Rock came up (as it always did back then!).

I also LOVE the fact that your girls listen to the screamer metal music, Dan! All I can get my girls into is Jamie Grace type music...

Im the one they yell to "turn down your music"! :p
 
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Much of my early theology was crafted by those pioneer bands - and I had an early soapbox I used to jump up on whenever the debate about Christian Rock came up (as it always did back then!).

I went through a "Christian rock is the devil" phase a couple of years ago, until I met a pastor who was saved at a Christian rock concert. Couldn't argue with that! haha :)
 
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I went through a "Christian rock is the devil" phase a couple of years ago, until I met a pastor who was saved at a Christian rock concert. Couldn't argue with that! haha :)

Agreed. Sometimes our theology meets the unforgiving wall of facts, and we have to reasess things. I've been there, and I'm sure I will be there again. I just pray that the Lord keeps my heart tender yet firm, firm in the truth that I know, but tender to new revelation from Him.

Peace...
 
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This issue is something of importance, and we as Christians should be careful as to what we take into our minds. I mean, that should go without saying, and therefore we have that agreed upon. What we don't agree on, however, is where to draw the line. This is why each believer should truly look to God for guidance and wisdom on what to do, not only in this, but in other situations, as well. But as someone said earlier, everyone thinks differently regarding this issue (and others like it), therefore making for different convictions.

So... I will proceed to give my perspective regarding entertainment. Now, I know that some people will disagree with some of what I am about to say, here. That's okay, as I am not expecting everybody to agree all the time. But I will ask, in advance, that when you disagree, that you do so respectfully (remembering Romans 14), and view me as a sister in Christ with simply a different (and not inferior) way of looking at things.

First, I will go over movies/TV. Undoubtedly, there is a lot of trash that dominates the screen, and a lot of things exalted (more often than not) that clash with the general Christian perspective. There's no denying it; it's there, and it's not going away anytime too soon. And I really do believe that such things ought not to be viewed by a Godly person, and it would rule out much of what is current on TV (with some exceptions). Other programming, however, is a matter of dispute. I mean, every program is going to have a little something that we as Christians won't agree with. Really old programs had a lot of smoking, some drinking, and sometimes featured people going to nightclubs with skimpily-dressed dancing women, and a few other things. More recent programs might have something like a fleeting remark, mild occasional swearing, and so forth. What matters, though, is that the program has a generally agreeable worldview and carries with it some sort of morals or valuable life lessons, or is just simply good clean fun. And if it looks like they're setting out to dwell a bit too long on a questionable topic or goes into explicit territory, then off it goes. That's why there are some TV series I generally enjoy in which I have to go by episode, with the premise of the show being good, as a whole, but have entire episodes dwelling on questionable topics. This is where I have come to learn what to shrug off, and what to take seriously. That being said, my absolute favorite movies are the "moldy oldies"!

And as far as the music is concerned, there is a lot to say about that. Like with the TV programming, we should be careful in that area as to what our ears take in. But this is another thing in which the line is drawn in different places. I have been influenced by music pretty much all of my life. There was always music on in the house when I was growing up, so I really heard a variety. And because of this early influence, I actually remember a lot of the popular mainstream music from the late '70s and early '80s; even though I was a little kid and couldn't understand what the lyrics were talking about, I was old enough to enjoy the tunes of such music. Now I did have some Christian records at that time, but it was all kids' Christian music, and along with the hymns I heard in church, that was the only Christian music I knew, until I was a preteen. Then along came Amy Grant, who was my first real influence as far as CCM is concerned (having attended a concert when I was about 11), and from there, my Christian music collection started to grow, and now I have a variety of Christian music, and is still a strong influence to this day. Now when it comes to mainstream music (and this is where I might meet with disagreement), I personally don't object to some of it, if the message is wholesome, positive, or universal (and there is more of this out there than we think). I mean, I am aware that it's not labeled "Christian" or recorded by Christian artists, and don't mention God in the songs. But I look at it as no different from TV programming of the same nature (no different than watching The Brady Bunch, Leave it to Beaver, or any Shirley Temple movie). Examples of such songs might be Ebony and Ivory, Turn, Turn, Turn (some Christian artists have even been known to do covers of it), novelty songs whose only intention is fun (like Teddy Bear's Picnic and I Tawt I Taw a Puddy Tat), and instrumentals that have no lyrics, allowing the listener to soak up the artistry of the music. And even at that, I can't call such music "secular". To me, truly secular music is that which exalts drugs, sex, false religions, and other types of immorality (which still dominates the music scene), and there should be no question about it that Christians should stay away from such music.

So, those are my basic views on the issue. I'm not wanting to debate, or anything like that. Just giving my perspective on the issue.

God bless.
 
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Thank you so much! That's really what I'm after here, I just want to see what people think about this, so I can "feel it out" more for myself. :)


As i mentioned on an earlier post, I love the "oldies" in music. I have had to remove some of them from my library, and one example that I am thinking about is one of my favorite songs sung by the Beatles. It was sung by George Harrison, called "My Sweet Lord". I enjoyed that song for years until I found out he was worshiping "Hare Christna". You can hear it in the background of the song. It was remove real quick! :)


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Thank you so much! That's really what I'm after here, I just want to see what people think about this, so I can "feel it out" more for myself. :)

You're welcome. Ultimately, though, we must bear in mind that it's all a matter looking to God for guidance, and He will show us what to do in any situation we face. Then we're on the right track. If there is any doubt, whatsoever, about anything we might be doing at any time (whether it's music we listen to, movies we're watching, books we're reading, things we're talking about, clothes we may be wearing, and even food we're eating), then we are better off staying away from the thing in question, as that could very well be conviction. But if we can do something with thanksgiving and confidence that we won't scramble around or run and hide if we suddenly saw Jesus in person, and we honestly feel right in doing whatever it is we're doing, then we're okay. That is, as long as we remember the Lord in whatever we're doing, and are truly seeking His wisdom.

Hope this helped.
 
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