Let me suggest you check something out for yourself: See if you can find the phrase "Second Coming" anywhere in the Bible.
Sure, if the context of the coming of the Lord is a one time end of the world as we know it scenario. Which is what the "second coming," a doctrine of men is.Appearing the second time is the same meaning as second coming so yes it's scriptural.
Sure, if the context of the coming of the Lord is a one time end of the world as we know it scenario. Which is what the "second coming," a doctrine of men is.
Good question: Here is something from one of those articles I linked.Yes that's why I'm confused, because I also believe he came again to the disciples. But there is also in revelation when all shall see him: Revelation 1:7
"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.
So I think multiple things are described?
Then why was it not posted for all to see?I have found it.
I believe Jesus has come many time is many ways and will continue to do so until the last day when he comes to gather both the living and the dead, the wheat and the tares and gather them before his throne at which time every knee will bow and every tongue confess the resurrected Jesus the anointed Son of God is Lord of all to the glory of his Father.Do you not believe Christ is coming a second time?
Then why was it not posted for all to see?
The closest you will come is Hebrews 9:28 where we are told,
"And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."
Jesus will come a second time for a salvation that has nothing to do with sin.
Presumably the plummeting of the world into depravity prompting God to come rescue the impotent church in a rapture would be a salvation that very much has to do with sin.
There is nothing in scripture that says he won't come a third, fourth, or fifth time; nothing in scripture saying he will come only once more.
Jesus came to Paul on the road to Damascus.
He came in judgment over Israel, Jerusalem, and the Levitical priesthood in 70 a.d.
He will come again to conclude this history and raise us incorruptible and immortal to eternal life.
The coming of the Lord is not debatable. Placing the word "second" in front of the dozens and dozens of times the Bible says the "coming of the Lord;" is certainly debatable. It makes the times and seasons of Bible prophecy not understandable. What should not be debatable is ONE OF THE TIMES Jesus clearly said he would come, even emphasizing when with that special phrase. "Truly, truly I say to you." THAT shouldn't be debatable; but it is because of a Bible illiterate doctrine of men.The second coming simply means the second time Jesus physically returns to the Earth. The first was his incarnation, the second will be at the 7th trump.
The details of what one think ls happens at the second coming is debatable but not that there is a second coming of Jesus.
No, it speaks of A second coming, not THE second coming.It speaks of the second coming.
The facts in evidence so far prove otherwise.That's wrong. Scripture only gives us one more coming of Christ. There isn't more as you claim.
(josh purses lips) Oh! I see you are adding "physical" to the claims you are asserting. Do please quote the verse that states "Jesus will come a second time and only a second time and his coming will be physical."The two comings are physical comings. Jesus did not physically meet Paul.
lol!No, he did not. The Roman's came in judgment and revenge in Ad70.
The coming of the Lord is not debatable. Placing the word "second" in front of the dozens and dozens of times the Bible says the "coming of the Lord;" is certainly debatable.
No, it speaks of A second coming, not THE second coming.
No it is not scriptural. It disagrees with way to much Bible prophecy. Like this about the New Jerusalem:We aren't talking about that. We are talking about the two physical comings of the Son of God. The second coming is scriptural.
No it is not scriptural. It disagrees with way to much Bible prophecy.
Nah, you have not proven anything. Your just sticking those verses into the context of your dogma that disagrees with so much prophecy. Like this. You can't have these verses coming to pass before our eyes and your dark vision, about the world growing worse and worse before a "second coming" of Jesus.Your argument is against the scriptures themselves. I have already proven it's scriptural. The majority of the Christian church has believed in this due to scripture.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
The second coming means a second physical arrival of Jesus Christ. Appearing a second time and "coming again" both support this second physical arrival of Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 60 continued.Nah, you have not proven anything. Your just sticking those verses into the context of your dogma that disagrees with so much prophecy. Like this. You can't have these verses coming to pass before our eyes and your dark vision, about the world growing worse and worse before a "second coming" of Jesus.
Isaiah 60 (AKJV) 1 Arise, shine; for your light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen on you. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise on you, and his glory shall be seen on you. Two scriptures explain these verses perfectly. Matthew 5:14 You are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Revelation 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like to a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;.....23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. None of these illustrations are by accident, as the reader will hopefully see as it unfolds.
3 And the Nations shall come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your rising. 4 Lift up your eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to you: your sons shall come from far, and your daughters shall be nursed at your side. 5 Then you shall see, and flow together, and your heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted to you, the wealth of the Gentiles shall come to you.
There are a couple of items in these verses. First are the references to the children of this heavenly city, the bride of Christ. Second, that these children are from all nations. That is what the illustration of the "sea" being converted to it is. the sea is an illustration of the nations. Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. While the Isaiah says the sea, the nations, will be converted to the New Jerusalem. Revelation says their will be no more sea. The meaning is very simple. That peoples and nations many a time opposed to one another based on their heritage will become one in Christ, hence no more sea. In this city all are brothers and sisters as the NT says over and over. This can also be seen in the ideal of America, because of its founding on Biblical principle. Where people of all nations become one people. That was it's design anyway. You can see the spirit of anti-Christ at work in it trying to thwart that from happening. For political advantage always purposely causing division among its people based on race and class. Another amazing thing is the prophecy of the enormity of this process. That the believers hearts will flow together. There is nothing like seeing Christians of all denominations working together because so many are being saved. Differences get put aside because the work is so great and so many are coming to Christ that there isn't time to fight among themselves. Their hearts truly fear and are enlarged by what they see happening. Look at some numbers. Did you know that for the last decade or two over 100,000 people a day are coming to Christ? If the numbers were to keep extrapolating the way they have been in a few decades all the people in the world would have accepted Jesus in 50 years. Now obviously it is not going to play out that way and besides the work is so much greater than just introducing people to Jesus. That doesn't negate the radical phenomena of hundreds of millions of people coming to Christ though. Lets look at this in another way though. Lets say there are now 600 million real believers world wide. (There are over two billion that call themselves Christians now.) If each of the 600 million truly won two people to Christ in a ten year period. Then those 600 million truly won two more and so on. In a mere generation or so the majority of people on the earth would be true believers. children of the heavenly city. Now think of the fruit that would bear in the nations if they embraced all their duties to raise their children and turn their nations toward Biblical principle. That may be overly optimistic but it is definitely scripture based vision for the future. Then there is the wealth of the nations mentioned at the end of the verse. The middle class of these nations like the USA that were founded on Biblical principle have unimaginable wealth compared to the peoples of the nations who don't yet have the Gospel. In fact what the 1% super wealthy have is a pittance in comparison. Another reason why those animated by the spirit of anti Christ seek to impose laws and policies to strip the middle class of all that wealth. They want to get their hands on it.
6 The multitude of camels shall cover you, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall show forth the praises of the LORD. 7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together to you, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister to you: they shall come up with acceptance on my altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory. 8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows? 9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring your sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, to the name of the LORD your God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he has glorified you.
Animals as well as trees are used often used as illustrations of the different nations and peoples in the illustrative language of Bible prophecy. That is why you'll see scriptures like this one.
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatted calf together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. 10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. They make for nice Sunday school pictures of heaven but that is just not what they as prophecies are predicting. Rather they predict what we have been seeing to varying degree's. Representative republics who's morality is based in scripture are not fighting wars with one another. People's who have accepted Christ treating other races and nationalities who have as kin.
10 And the sons of strangers shall build up your walls, and their kings shall minister to you: for in my wrath I smote you, but in my favor have I had mercy on you. We have the same scenario as in Isaiah 54 here. The sufferings of the people of faith at the hands of the wicked for millennia verses the time of favor, prophesied to come. When the righteousness of the saints bears fruit in the nations bringing circumstances where the promises of God made to the saints in time past can come to fruition. Plus very importantly. The descendants of the nations are prophesied to build the walls of this "city." verses ancient Israel or those who went out to preach the Gospel first. Instead the prophets of old and the apostles laid the foundation, are the foundation, for this heavenly city. Ephesians 2: 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
11 Therefore your gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring to you the wealth of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. Corresponds to Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it
12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; yes, those nations shall be utterly wasted. This is the verse keyed to the title of the article. Outside of the subject matter at hand and as opposed to the erroneous teachings that call the New Jerusalem a physical city from heaven in an imaginary age when there is no evil on the earth. The context of the scripture as a whole says there are nations who do not serve the New Jerusalem. Most in this day and age still do not and many that have are in danger turning away from their service. The main reason for this in an age where millions are coming to Christ is because Christians they have lost their vision of the future in favor of pop culture end times teachings. Teachings that claim evil will prevail in the earths future until a time they believe that Jesus will set up a visible\physical kingdom on earth.
Prove it.
No, it is not and you are copping out.It is self proving.
Luke 17 has obviously not happened yet. Wicked evil people are still here, they have not yet been removed.
Adherents to that view have that exact liberty in this very thread.The belief all prophesies have all already been fulfilled is called full-preterism. There is a specific board within this board for those who take such a view. I encourage you to go to that board where adherents have liberty to expound upon that view without sanction.
. Paul really champions this idea that the resurrection is a physical event
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