Second chance salvation?

[BlessingPoster23]

I've been involved with ministry and the church my entire life. My parents were ministers and I'm currenlty a minister. I've always been interested in listening and hearing out different views on theology and salvation. One specific topic that got my attention was second chance salvation which has been debated for a while now ever since Rob Bells universalism. However, second chance salvation isn't necessarily universalism because the "sinner" could still refuse the Lords last invite.

One specific person mentioned that why do we have to have a final judgement after death if death is the final judgement. That's like having someone in hell to bring them out just to smack them down again.

It's an interesting discussion and I'll love to here any of your input? Once again, not universalism. The idea that if you die an unbeliever. That Christ will give you one more chance after death and if you still refuse then you are thrown into the eternal fire as they would say.

Cool. Let's go!

 

[DaveM]

do you have any scripture as a reference?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think this falls into the category of useless and vain discussions same like arguments about genealogies that have no place amongst believers/ Ekklesia immersed in Yeshua.
It often might take up a lot of time and space, and cause believers who are already weak in their faith in Jesus to be hurt, to stumble and maybe even to fall,
all for no good nor true nor right reason nor for training or teaching God's Way.

The idea that if you die an unbeliever. That Christ will give you one more chance after death

 

[A_Thinker]

I've been involved with ministry and the church my entire life. My parents were ministers and I'm currenlty a minister. I've always been interested in listening and hearing out different views on theology and salvation. One specific topic that got my attention was second chance salvation which has been debated for a while now ever since Rob Bells universalism. However, second chance salvation isn't necessarily universalism because the "sinner" could still refuse the Lords last invite.

One specific person mentioned that why do we have to have a final judgement after death if death is the final judgement. That's like having someone in hell to bring them out just to smack them down again.

It's an interesting discussion and I'll love to here any of your input? Once again, not universalism. The idea that if you die an unbeliever. That Christ will give you one more chance after death and if you still refuse then you are thrown into the eternal fire as they would say.

Cool. Let's go!

I believe that there is scripture which says ...

"For it is appointed to man once to die, ... and after that, the judgment." Hebrews 9:27

 

[Basil the Great]

Some have speculated that souls get a final chance at the moment of death. This is certainly a possibility, but we simply do not know. Others believe that reincarnation is a possibility, based upon Jesus saying that John the Baptist met the prophecy of Elijah's return. Reincarnation would offer a second chance to souls, if such were to be the case. However, as we all know, the mainstream Christian Church rejects the idea of reincarnation. Then there is a third possibility for you to ponder. Many Eastern Orthodox, but by no means all, believe that when we die we receive a conditional judgment, but that the Final Judgment does not happen until Jesus returns and that it might be possible for souls who are in "conditional Hell" to escape their bonds and make it to Heaven before the Final Judgment. I recommend that you do some research into the Eastern Orthodox view of the afterlife, as it might interest you.

Welcome to the forums by the way and may God bless the time that you spend here.

 

[BlessingPoster23]

do you have any scripture as a reference?

One of the main scripture passages is 1 Peter 3 where it speaks about Christ preaching to those imprisoned. Those during noahs day. Those who believe in second chance salvation believe this is an example.

 

[BlessingPoster23]

Some have speculated that souls get a final chance at the moment of death. This is certainly a possibility, but we simply do not know. Others believe that reincarnation is a possibility, based upon Jesus saying that John the Baptist met the prophecy of Elijah's return. Reincarnation would offer a second chance to souls, if such were to be the case. However, as we all know, the mainstream Christian Church rejects the idea of reincarnation. Then there is a third possibility for you to ponder. Many Eastern Orthodox, but by no means all, believe that when we die we receive a conditional judgment, but that the Final Judgment does not happen until Jesus returns and that it might be possible for souls who are in "conditional Hell" to escape their bonds and make it to Heaven before the Final Judgment. I recommend that you do some research into the Eastern Orthodox view of the afterlife, as it might interest you.

Welcome to the forums by the way and may God bless the time that you spend here.

That's interesting. So are you Eastern Orthodox?

 

[Basil the Great]

That's interesting. So are you Eastern Orthodox?

No, surprisingly I am not Eastern Orthodox, but I do think a lot of St. Basil and also their willingness to pray for the dead, even without a belief in Purgatory.

 

[bcbsr]

I've been involved with ministry and the church my entire life. My parents were ministers and I'm currenlty a minister. I've always been interested in listening and hearing out different views on theology and salvation. One specific topic that got my attention was second chance salvation which has been debated for a while now ever since Rob Bells universalism. However, second chance salvation isn't necessarily universalism because the "sinner" could still refuse the Lords last invite.

One specific person mentioned that why do we have to have a final judgement after death if death is the final judgement. That's like having someone in hell to bring them out just to smack them down again.

It's an interesting discussion and I'll love to here any of your input? Once again, not universalism. The idea that if you die an unbeliever. That Christ will give you one more chance after death and if you still refuse then you are thrown into the eternal fire as they would say.

Cool. Let's go!

First of all, hell is not a prison, it's a jail, a temporary holding cell for those who will ultimately be thrown into the lake of fire, which is liken to a prison. Yes, those presently in hell do face a judgement. They will be judged by their works. But if you've read the first three chapters of Romans, seeing as all have sinned, therefore they will be sentenced to the lake of fire. Thus, once in hell, their fate is inevitable.

As for "second chance", "Everyone must die once, and after that the judgement" Heb 9:27

 

[FineLinen]

I've been involved with ministry and the church my entire life. My parents were ministers and I'm currenlty a minister. I've always been interested in listening and hearing out different views on theology and salvation. One specific topic that got my attention was second chance salvation which has been debated for a while now ever since Rob Bells universalism. However, second chance salvation isn't necessarily universalism because the "sinner" could still refuse the Lords last invite.

One specific person mentioned that why do we have to have a final judgement after death if death is the final judgement. That's like having someone in hell to bring them out just to smack them down again.

It's an interesting discussion and I'll love to here any of your input? Once again, not universalism. The idea that if you die an unbeliever. That Christ will give you one more chance after death and if you still refuse then you are thrown into the eternal fire as they would say.

Cool. Let's go!

Dear Blessing: There is no chance involved in Abba's salvation, not first or second! NONE!

Search= Chance=

https://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek.html?action=search&w=chance

 

[Rubiks]

Peter mentioned in 1 Peter than Christ preached to the gospel to the dead, which opens the possibility of some, if not all have a chance at postmortem salvation. (Although theologically motivated translations like the NIV try to cover this up)

1 Peter 4:6 (NRSV) For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does

1 Peter 4:6 (NIV) For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

 

[Rubiks]

First of all, hell is not a prison, it's a jail, a temporary holding cell for those who will ultimately be thrown into the lake of fire, which is liken to a prison. Yes, those presently in hell do face a judgement. They will be judged by their works. But if you've read the first three chapters of Romans, seeing as all have sinned, therefore they will be sentenced to the lake of fire. Thus, once in hell, their fate is inevitable.

As for "second chance", "Everyone must die once, and after that the judgement" Heb 9:27

The Hebrews verses isn't speaking about an immediate judgement because Judgement comes at the end times.

 

[com7fy8]

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13)

So, in case a lost person keeps on refusing Jesus, he or she will get worse and even worse so he or she is even less likely to trust in Jesus. So, a second chance for someone who has gotten ever worse might not help much.

 

[BlessingPoster23]

Peter mentioned in 1 Peter than Christ preached to the gospel to the dead, which opens the possibility of some, if not all have a chance at postmortem salvation. (Although theologically motivated translations like the NIV try to cover this up)

1 Peter 4:6 (NRSV) For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does

1 Peter 4:6 (NIV) For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

Honestly, do we really know? This is a main reason I don't preach about the afterlife. We aren't sure. It's fun to have these discussions though.

 

[BlessingPoster23]

To stir up another conversation. How much more powerful is Christ's death on the cross if universalism is true. All are saved. #SinLost

 

[FineLinen]

To stir up another conversation. How much more powerful is Christ's death on the cross if universalism is true. All are saved. #SinLost

"It's an interesting discussion and I'll love to here any of your input? Once again, not universalism."

Dear Blessing: What is it going to be?

Our God's gambling scene of chances, or His mighty purposes in the Son of His love?

“Though we are incomplete, God loves us completely. Though we are imperfect, He loves us perfectly. Though we may feel lost and without compass, God's love encompasses us completely. ... He loves every one of us, even those who are flawed, rejected, awkward, sorrowful, or broken.” - Dieter F. Uchtdorf-

 

[Ron Gurley]

Before death of Body/Soul combo which "houses" Spirit, many callings / drawings are possible.
After death, spirit has returned to God for judgment.
Eccl. 12

 

[FineLinen]

"It's an interesting discussion and I'll love to here any of your input? Once again, not universalism."

Dear Blessing: What is it going to be?

Our God's gambling scene of chances, or His mighty purposes in the Son of His love?

“Though we are incomplete, God loves us completely. Though we are imperfect, He loves us perfectly. Though we may feel lost and without compass, God's love encompasses us completely. ... He loves every one of us, even those who are flawed, rejected, awkward, sorrowful, or broken.” - Dieter F. Uchtdorf-

 

[FineLinen]

He calls, we follow

http://greater-emmanuel.org/jg/2018/comescallsfollow.php

 

[FineLinen]

He calls, we follow

http://greater-emmanuel.org/jg/2018/comescallsfollow.php

I've been involved with ministry and the church my entire life. My parents were ministers and I'm currenlty a minister. I've always been interested in listening and hearing out different views on theology and salvation. One specific topic that got my attention was second chance salvation which has been debated for a while now ever since Rob Bells universalism. However, second chance salvation isn't necessarily universalism because the "sinner" could still refuse the Lords last invite.

One specific person mentioned that why do we have to have a final judgement after death if death is the final judgement. That's like having someone in hell to bring them out just to smack them down again.

It's an interesting discussion and I'll love to here any of your input? Once again, not universalism. The idea that if you die an unbeliever. That Christ will give you one more chance after death and if you still refuse then you are thrown into the eternal fire as they would say.

Cool. Let's go!

Dear Blessing: You have been involved in ministry your whole life. I will not consider your youth and experience holding you back from "cool" and "let's go."

F.L. has been preparing to meet with you on this link you began days ago. Where are you? I trust you will not hold my old age against me: perhaps we can explore avenues that will enhance both of our beings. "Let's go!"

“Though we are incomplete, God loves us completely. Though we are imperfect, He loves us perfectly. Though we may feel lost and without compass, God's love encompasses us completely. ... He loves every one of us, even those who are flawed, rejected, awkward, sorrowful, or broken.” - Dieter F. Uchtdorf-