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Second Bible Read Thread

Discussion in 'Singles (Only*)' started by SarahsKnight, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. SarahsKnight

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    It dawns on me from time to time, just reading excerpts from the Bible such as Psalms 95, what the "real" sin, so to speak, of the Israelites as they wandered for 40 years in the wilderness before coming to the Promised Land at the beginning of Joshua may have been. Just my personal thoughts, mind you, but by the words of Psalms 95 it seems that when you get right down to it, the only reason God was ever displeased with His own chosen people during that time was that they demonstrated complete faithlessness to Him despite His already having shown them great and mighty works (such as convincing the Egyptians with ten great signs and wonders that He was God and He intended to bring Abraham's descendants out of slavery and to a land He alone decided for them, whether the Egyptians would like it or not) personally. And yet many a time the Israelites would grumble and complain and wonder aloud that their very God - who had already revealed Himself personally to them in so many ways, mind you - had abandoned them to despair and violence at the hands of enemy nations. What it boils down to in my opinion? Lack of trust. Instead foolishly believing that God rescued them from Egypt only to abandon them or actively turn His hand against them in the wildernesses on the journey to the Promised Land. Instead of trusting, they often seemed to believe that God was playing some kind of cruel joke upon them, that He never cared for them ultimately and did not intend to fulfill His promises to their descendants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    Perhaps, there is no greater sin than disbelief that God is for you and not against you.

    Again, just my personal thoughts. I could be wrong, but, these days, especially after being healed of my dreadful sickness from a certain kind of obsessive compulsive disorder, I feel it would be a GREAT evil and sin on my part if I were to ever fail to trust that God wanted to take care of me and wanted good for me instead of evil - as though I instead thought of Him as some great tyrant instead - ever again. God forbid I ever look at Him in loathing fear instead of gratitude and trust ever again.:angel:
     
  2. Swords&Sunflowers

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    So true! made me think about one of the scriptures talking about the war between flesh and spirit, I realized that the fleshly side of us is the side that is separated from God, hence it naturally distrusts Him, there is enmity, but as we learn to walk in the spirit that has been reborn in Christ, we start to see who God truly is. And that He is not against us but for us.
     
  3. SarahsKnight

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    This is just a theory I remember hearing from someone a few years ago - don't remember who exactly or what ministry he belonged to, if any - but I wanted to share what I had heard was a possibility for why the Lord found David to be in sin when he took a census of the able warriors in Israel and Judah. It was as though an antagonist or worrying spirit had overtaken David, inciting him to prepare for war when no enemies were around - and certainly the Lord had not told him to prepare for war, either - hence why David apparently commanded Joab and his men to take a census of only the fighting men and not everyone throughout. Again, if this is the reason God was angry with David for taking the census, then it likely again boils down to a lack of trust in God's provision and protection (even men like David who are said to be "after God's very own heart" are not immune to times of worry and lack of trust like this), and seeing enemies to have to fight against in war where there were none. .... May just be me, but, perhaps a lot of Christians today could take a lesson from that last part. Not trying to see enemies everywhere who are out to get them.

    I also noticed the seeming inconsistency in the number of warriors Joab and crew counted among Israel and Judah, between the telling of it in 2 Samuel 24 and 1 Chronicles 21. The former numbers the fighting men of Israel as 800,000 and men of Judah as 500,000. The latter numbers Israel as 1.1 million and 470,000 in Judah. You might attribute this inconsistency to there being different authors of Samuel and Chronicles, but my guess is that this attributed to the numbers in 2 Samuel 24 not including the amount of Benjamites and Levites in Israel, as it says in 1 Chronciles 21 that Joab was reluctant to count these two tribes in the census, after listing the numbers. Thus the 1.1 million warriors in Israel might be including the number of Levites and Benjamites (could Levites have even been warriors in the first place, though?:mmh:), but was unreported to David. Whereas the 800,000 Israelites mentioned in 2 Samuel may not have already included them. As for the men of Judah, 500,000 and 470,000 are close enough to each other mathematically for us to not need flip out and declare all of the Bible an erroneous lie. ^_^ Again, these are supposedly different authors talking here.
     
  5. Swords&Sunflowers

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    2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them, saying, Go, number Israel and Judah.

    1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.

    Lol, i found this interesting...why one writer attributed it to God and the other to Satan. Seemed like during that time too perhaps Israel was in sin, maybe it wasn't only David who was tempted by the enemy to count the peoples. I wonder...maybe as David was roaming the streets, that idea must've been subtly implanted in his mind...maybe there were people talking saying things like, "Do we have enough fighting men if other nations rise against us?"

    Wow though, it really is a big issue to God that we trust Him. Nowadays, I feel like many people, including me, easily fall into distrust and not get bothered by it not knowing that God expects faithful trust in Him that He can provide and that He is faithful.
     
  6. SarahsKnight

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    I believe the writer of 2 Samuel (it may have been one of the prophets of that time who wrote it, Gad, maybe?) was speaking in terms of God allowing or even commanding an antagonistic spirit as punishment to incite David, as God may have already sensed the lack of trust once again in Him by Israel and maybe even by David himself at that precise time. Perhaps they were already seeing enemies about where there were none, paranoia. And so God using an antagonistic (one might say Satanic, as the very meaning of the Satan is "opponent", correct?) spirit to incite David to take the census of fighting men was part of a chastisement He was already carrying out against Israel. ... And strangely, of all people to notice David's command for the census as loathsome or abhorrent, it was JOAB, a man who many times in the past seemed eager for blood. But at this time, it was as though even he knew something was wrong here, with preparing for war.
     
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    lol according to: Who was Shimei in the Bible?

    "There are a total of 18 men in the Bible with the name Shimei, all Israelites and all found in the Old Testament. Some Shimeis are simply mentioned by name in genealogies, some are called out for their sin of intermarriage with other cultures, and some are mentioned due to their relationship to other famous Bible characters (such as Saul, David, and Esther). You can find a few of them in the following passages: 2 Samuel 21:21; 1 Kings 1:8; 1 Chronicles 3:19; 4:26–27; 5:4; 6:29."
     
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    Wooh, that was a lot of names! Some verse in particular caught my attention...

    and four thousand praised Jehovah with the instruments which I made, [said David], to praise therewith. 1 Chron 23:5

    David "made" instruments, I think that's pretty cool! And can you imagine 4k people playing instruments?! Woah that must've been a breathtaking sight and sound! Currently, the largest orchestra in Guiness is at Seoul, South Korea...there were about 8,399 musicians!


    Lastly...I don't mean to make fun of this man's name, but when I saw it...I immediately thought of
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    5 All these were the sons of Heman the king's seer in the words of God, to lift up the horn. And God gave to Heman fourteen sons and three daughters.

    6 All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of Jehovah, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God; Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman being under the order of the king. 1 Chron 25:5-6

    Awesomest name ever!!!
     
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    As a musician myself, I agree that it's pretty cool that David made instruments! 4,000 instruments playing at once...that really must have been amazing!
     
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    I really like David's speeches in 1 Chronicles 29 to herald the end of his reign and the beginning of Solomon's. I don't know. I guess I just find it ... inspiring. ^-^
     
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    Don't despair yet, Miss S&S, Multifavs; if I recall correctly, I believe we'll still see a little more of David in 1 Kings, tomorrow. ^-^
     
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    Today's Psalms were quite cheerful. :)
     
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    I'm all for that. ^-^
     
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