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[BobRyan]

Then you make the assumption that Jesus is talking about the ten commandments rather than *his* commandments under the new covenant, which are to believe in him (trust) and to love other people as he loves us.

Jesus is asked "which commandments?" - and in real life - (not simply making stuff up) here is what Jesus said

Matthew 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself

He isn't talking about the ten commandments, .

Less creative writing -- more Bible please.


what is more - it is Jeremiah that tells his readers about the NEW Covenant and that it is the LAW known to him and his readers that is written on the heart under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-33,... unchanged in the NT Hebrews 8:6-12

 

[BobRyan]

The purpose being for a covenant specifically made between God and the Israelites at Sinai. For the most part, they didn't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit on any sort of permanent basis, so God gave them the written law as a guide.

The 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN according to Paul. I choose the Bible - not lots more "creative writing"

 

[bekkilyn]

Jesus is asked "which commandments?" - and in real life - (not simply making stuff up) here is what Jesus said

Matthew 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself

what is more - it is Jeremiah that tells his readers about the NEW Covenant and that it is the LAW known to him and his readers that is written on the heart under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-33,... unchanged in the NT Hebrews 8:6-12

In that particular passage, he is talking to a Jewish man who was still under the old covenant as Jesus hadn't died on the cross yet. The man would have grown up being under old covenant law and would have observed those laws.

However, if you are careful, you may notice that Jesus would have offered the man eternal life without him having claimed to observe the fourth commandment, if only the man would have put Jesus first in his life. Even then, Jesus was emphasizing believing (trusting) Jesus and putting Jesus first in our lives rather than rote obedience to law.

When Jesus talks about *his* commandments, it's about believing on him and treating others as he treats us.

 

[bekkilyn]

The 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN according to Paul. I choose the Bible - not lots more "creative writing"

Nowhere in the new testament does Paul say that we are under law or are to obey the ten commandments. Do you think the Holy Spirit would convict us to hate our parents rather than honor them?

I still think it's best to follow Jesus and put *him* first considering that he is God himself rather than something that he wrote for the purpose of making a temporary covenant with the Israelites.

 

[BobRyan]

No such thing as a "Saturday sabbath".

The word of God is spiritual (1 Corinthians 2:13), and the Holy Ghost speaks to my heart that which He hears, from Jesus, John 14:15, Exodus 20:6. The same Holy Ghost that wrote in stone, writes upon the fleshy tables of the heart/mind, which if you look at the brain from the front, looks like two tables of flesh.

There is no war between the Holy Spirit and the Bible.

Jeremiah says the New Covenant writes the Law of God that he knew about - on the heart and mind.

 

[bekkilyn]

There is no war between the Holy Spirit and the Bible.

Jeremiah says the New Covenant writes the Law of God that he knew about - on the heart and mind.

However, there may be a war between the Holy Spirit and, shall we say, a "lawful" interpretation of the bible that attempts to do the very thing that Paul warned the Corinthian church about.

Jeremiah is talking about the Spirit. The entire old covenant points right to Jesus and the indwelling of the Spirit.

 

[Karola]

There is no war between the Holy Spirit and the Bible.

Jeremiah says the New Covenant writes the Law of God that he knew about - on the heart and mind.

But there would be war between the rational mind of man and the Holy Spirit. You either follow after him or the written code, you cannot do both(rom7:6)

 

[BobRyan]

Nowhere in the new testament does Paul say that we are under law or are to obey the ten commandments. .

1. "What matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
2. where "the FIRST commandment with a promise" in that unit of TEN is the fifth commandment. Ephesians 6:2
3. The Commandments that include "Do not Covet" Romans 7
4. The Commandments that include
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Romans 13

 

[BobRyan]

But there would be war between the rational mind of man and the Holy Spirit.

True. But for those at war with the Bible where scripture is prefaced with "the Holy Spirit says" Hebrews 3 -- will be at war as soon as they hear/see the Bible quoted.

 

[BobRyan]

However, there may be a war between the Holy Spirit and, shall we say, a "lawful" interpretation of the bible that attempts to do the very thing that Paul warned the Corinthian church about. .

Creative writing that is "at war" as soon as they see the Bible quoted... is a clue

 

[Karola]

True. But for those at war with the Bible where scripture is prefaced with "the Holy Spirit says" Hebrews 3 -- will be at war as soon as they hear/see the Bible quoted.

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. rom7:6

It is one or the other

 

[bekkilyn]

1. "What matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
2. where "the FIRST commandment with a promise" in that unit of TEN is the fifth commandment. Ephesians 6:2
3. The Commandments that include "Do not Covet" Romans 7
4. The Commandments that include
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Romans 13

You are creatively reading things into scripture again. Oddly, the fourth commandment is missing from your list, though I am still waiting for LGW to provide the verse that specifically states the commandment to the Gentiles to follow that commandment. I don't think it's ever going to happen though because no one has ever found such a verse.

When Jesus asks us to follow *his* commandments, why should we need to go hunting all around the new testament to try to find the old ten only to come up with 8.5 when Jesus states what his commandments are. He even says that one of them is his *new* commandment! A new commandment for a new covenant! Isn't that exciting!

 

[Karola]

As sda seem to think people can go around in ignorance of God's laws, they may or may not be conscious of sin through the law, this would be a much safer way for them

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law Gal5:22&23

 

[Benjamin Calvary]

I know, it is a law written in ink for you too

You sound just like the 'burning in the bosom' populace. That ain't God, it's the flesh.

 

[Benjamin Calvary]

...Ohh...look...it's Saturday!

No. It isn't. The 7th day, even unto even (sunset of 6th day to sunset of the 7th day), God's time.

"Saturday" is midnight to midnight, Roman pagan time and not even the same 24 hrs period.

 

[Karola]

You sound just like the 'burning in the bosom' populace. That ain't God, its the flesh.

The flesh follows after the written code, not the Holy Spirit for it has to be one or the other

You sound just like the 'burning in the bosom' populace. That ain't God, its the flesh.

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. rom7:6

 

[Benjamin Calvary]

As sda seem to think people can go around in ignorance of God's laws, they may or may not be conscious of sin through the law, this would be a much safer way for them

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law Gal5:22&23

Notice the word "against".

Gal_3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

 

[Karola]

Notice the word "against".

Gal_3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

How did you come to believe you should follow the fourth commandment, by reading what is written in ink, or did you in your heart and mind already know for that is where the law was placed?

 

[Benjamin Calvary]

Me: When God said, "My law" in Jeremiah 31:33. What, in context (Jeremiah 31, and all of Jeremiah, even from Exodus 16 and throughout), is that "my law" of God? Define it explicitly from scripture.

Karola: The law God desires you to follow. Love God and love your fellow man/neighbour would pretty much sum it up

Me: I want an exact citation from scripture please.

Karola: Can't give you it, if I got drunk I would consider that going against the law in my heart.

Me: Yeah, I know, because you have no set standard anywhere declared which may be compared to God's Law of His Character, and thus you are your own standard, and do not even align with bekkilyn's standard.

Btw, the whole "love God" and "neighbour as thyself"? Jesus and Paul quoted from OT, namely Deuteronomy 6:5, and Leviticus 19:17-18, which are in the context of the Ten Commandments and sin (1 John 3:4).

You have a differing definition of "love" than scripture gives.

You speak of 'yourself' and 'your heart'. The Holy Ghost, speaks of the scripture:

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Psa_119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Psa_119:158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.​

Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Therefore, when I ask you, to specifically detail God's "my law", and what it means to "love" God and man from the scripture, you refuse to do it, not that you cannot do it, because therein is the refutation of your own standard.

In fact, by what standard, do you test how you know it is the Holy Ghost that leads you and not another?

 

[Karola]

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

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Absolutely, but follow after the written code and you cannot follow after the Holy Spirit, for it is one or the other rom 7:6

How are you getting on with obeying the tenth commandment? That is as important as obeying the fourth isn't it? Paul wrote nearly a whole chapter on it in rom 7, law only you and God need know you break. Are you living up to that standard? Note the commandment does not state, you may covet a couple of times a month, it says: You shall not covet