SDA

stephen pollard said:

Do you know how many of them believe you can go on sinning in ignorance of law written in your mind and placed on your heart?

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Do you know how many of them think all Catholics go to hell if they don't believe just like they do??

BobRyan said:

James 2 does not include "you personally approve of" ... that is your "creative writing"

But James 2 does say this -
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

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So again, you are welcome to yoke yourself to law, even though you seem to willfully refuse to follow all of it, in which case you will be judged by all of the laws of that covenant, or you can receive Christ into your heart and be guided by the Spirit as per the new covenant and be already proclaimed "not guilty". It doesn't seem to be a very difficult choice and yet people argue as they seem to want to try to do everything on their own rather than handing it all over to Christ and the Holy Spirit.

BobRyan said:

. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
James 2 does not say "ignore the law of God since you cannot claim that you never sin

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It is quite clear what James is stating.
And of course, you can ignore the law of God if you do not know you sin by transgressing it can't you

BobRyan said:

Do you know how many of them think all Catholics go to hell if they don't believe just like they do??

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No answer to the question I see

It seems, for some God did not make a perfect covenant. He writes the law in your mind and places it on your heart he desires you to follow. Because, and only because that has happened, your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.

However, you can continue to happily sin by breaking that law, when you do not know you are sinning by doing so.

klutedavid said:

Is Calvinism itself then a cult?

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Seeing as Sardis is referred to as the dead church by Jesus, and when interpreted as church ages, Sardis is the Reformation. So what do you think?

Revelation 3

BobRyan said:

What JW claims to have been a Millerite first?

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Evidently.

1stcenturylady said:

Seeing as Sardis is referred to as the dead church by Jesus, and when interpreted as church ages, Sardis is the Reformation. So what do you think?

Revelation 3

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I hold no opinion on such matters.

Do you believe Calvinism is a cult?

1stcenturylady said:

Seeing as Sardis is referred to as the dead church by Jesus, and when interpreted as church ages, Sardis is the Reformation. So what do you think?

Revelation 3

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Do you believe that the SDA is a sect?

klutedavid said:

I hold no opinion on such matters.

Do you believe Calvinism is a cult?

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I believe as Jude does, that they have turned the grace of God into licentiousness. A cult, no. A false doctrine, yes.

klutedavid said:

Do you believe that the SDA is a sect?

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I believe the SDA is a Christian denomination.

Personally, I am not a denominationalist.

stephen pollard said:

Every seventh day Adventist would believe the Ten Commandments are written in the mind and placed on the heart of believers

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And so also do these non-SDA groups claim that the TEN Commandments are written on the heart under the New Covenant

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And so also these non-SDA groups

stephen pollard said:

Do you know how many of them believe you can go on sinning in ignorance of law written in your mind and placed on your heart?

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Do you know how many of them think all Catholics go to hell if they don't believe just like they do??

stephen pollard said:

No answer to the question I see

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Indeed you are apparently not going to answer.

klutedavid said:

Do you believe that the SDA is a sect?

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Did the Jews believe the Christians were a sect??

Acts 24
14 But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets

stephen pollard said:

It seems, for some God did not make a perfect covenant. He writes the law in your mind and places it on your heart he desires you to follow. .

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And yet some still continue to pray to the dead and bow down before images promising to serve those that they represent.

As we all know.

Well in any case - I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

James 2 does not include "you personally approve of" ... that is your "creative writing"

But James 2 does say this -
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

stephen pollard said:

So it is sinless perfection or you are guilty of breaking the entire law. Absolutely

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James 2 does not say "never sin so that you won't need the gospel"
James 2 does not say "ignore the law of God since you cannot claim that you never sin"

I think we all knew that

stephen pollard said:

It is quite clear what James is stating.

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Indeed . thank God for that!

James 2 does not include "you personally approve of" ... that is your "creative writing"

But James 2 does say this -
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

stephen pollard said:

So it is sinless perfection or you are guilty of breaking the entire law. Absolutely

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James 2 does not say "never sin so that you won't need the gospel"
James 2 does not say "ignore the law of God since you cannot claim that you never sin"

I think we all knew that

bekkilyn said:

So again, you are welcome to yoke yourself to law,

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I choose to read the actual Bible and "accept the obvious"

Especially when "the obvious" is so easy to spot that BOTH sides of the debate admit to it.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

klutedavid said:

Hello 1stcenturylady.
There appears to be a split within the Christian world, over whether the SDA is a cult.

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split 90 against that idea and ten % in favor???

stephen pollard said:

I will leave you to your deflections, and beliefs that Christians can wilfully transgress the law

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I find your logic "illusive" just then. looks like "creative writing"

I have met many who reject OSAS.
All the ones I met believe in Eph 2 - "Saved by grace through faith"
They all believe 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"
They all believe Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
They all believe 1 John 5:2-3 "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
They all believe that works will never get us into heaven ... only grace and the blood of Christ covering our sins - and the New Heart - new creation walking by faith - and in the Spirit.

They all know Matt 7 Jesus said "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who DOES the will of My Father" and they believe Jesus

They all know Romans 2:13-16 "it is not the hearers of the LAW that are just before God - but the DOERS of the Law will be JUSTIFIED.. on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge"

Note that He is not including any commandments related to "Love God with all your heart"

He does not list "do not take God's name in vain"
He does not list "Love God with all your heart"
He does not list "Do not worship false gods"
etc.

In that list He only includes things related to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

But he does quote outright - verbatim commandments from the TEN commandments

Such that Paul can say in Eph 6:2 that the 5th commandment in that still-binding unit of Ten is the "First commandment with a promise"

bekkilyn said:

He also leaves out the fourth commandment.

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True.. as I said .

Note that He is not including any commandments related to "Love God with all your heart"
He does not list "do not take God's name in vain"
He does not list "Love God with all your heart"
He does not list "Do not worship false gods"
etc.

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However, if it weren't for the fact that the passage is about putting Jesus first in our lives rather than obeying commandments, the man would have had eternal life by having followed just the commandments that Jesus listed and not any other commandment. None of the others were required.

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Yet we note that in Matthew 19 Christ is not including any commandments related to "Love God with all your heart"

your notion that these are not part of God's Law or that violation of them is fine... is an extreme position for any Christian of any denomination. Has nothing to do with SDA or not.

He does not list "do not take God's name in vain"
He does not list "Love God with all your heart"
He does not list "Do not worship false gods"
etc.

It's not about following commandments. It's about putting Jesus first

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Creative writing -- but here is what the text says in real life.

16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

BobRyan said:

And so also do these non-SDA groups claim that the TEN Commandments are written on the heart under the New Covenant

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And so also these non-SDA groups



Do you know how many of them think all Catholics go to hell if they don't believe just like they do??



Indeed you are apparently not going to answer.

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I hope you know that not everyone respects those in that group you keep posting as "proof."

1stcenturylady said:

I hope you know that not everyone respects those in that group you keep posting as "proof."

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And salvation, of course, depends on how much groups are respected?

Act_11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
Act_18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Act_28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Sometimes, things have to explained by others in order to have a more thorough understanding. God even made provision under the old covenant for sins of ignorance.
Lev_4:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
Lev_4:13 And if the whole congregation of Israel sin through ignorance, and the thing be hid from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which should not be done, and are guilty;
Lev_4:22 When a ruler hath sinned, and done somewhat through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD his God concerning things which should not be done, and is guilty;
Lev_4:27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;
Lev_5:15 If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the LORD; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering:
Lev_5:18 And he shall bring a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his ignorance wherein he erred and wist it not, and it shall be forgiven him.
Num_15:24 Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering.
Num_15:25 And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance:

When people go by feelings instead of a just plain "It is written"---you can end up as the Mormons---leaning on a "burning bosom" for verification of truth instead of what the bible says. They feel no burning bosom when listening to the Christian concept of God not being human before becoming God. They "feel" the Holy Spirit is telling them the truth that we all lived before becoming human--a product of God and the heavenly mother. The feel a burning bosom from the Holy Spirit that the BOM is truth.

Feeling can be useful--I feel my computer is overheating---bye!!