Scripture Forbids The Use Of Any Ecumenical Creed

[Albion]

You're attacking a strawman..

That's true. He's demanding verification of his unorthodox proposition, not of the Bible's teaching about the nature of the persons of God which I described.

 

[RevelationTestament]

That's true. He's demanding verification of his unorthodox proposition, not of the Bible's teaching about the nature of the persons of God which I described.

No, I'm just pointing out what the Bible says vs what orthodoxy claims. I think the reader may be getting the point. There is a difference. If you want to call the Bible unorthodox, I can't stop you. Here is a synopsis of the Bible vs the "main" points of the creeds:

..................................................Bible vs Roman Creeds/Trinitarianism

Invites men to come freely (godly love)...................................Use of fear, compulsion, & persecution (adversary)
Bible - Covenant with God, Isaiah 61:6-8.........................................Roman Creeds - words from where?
"man shall live by every word of God" Luke 4:4.................... promulgated under the maximum priest of Roman gods
Rome is the Beast of Daniel 7:19-20 ................................(pontifex = builder of the way/roads) Pontifex Maximus office
and Rev 13, Rev 17 Woman on beast ...............................of Constantine and later Bishop of Rome (Roman Church)
Mystery, Babylon 1 Peter 5:13, Rev 17:5................................Babylon was beast of Dan 7:4 and head of image Dan 2

Apostles and Christians had no .................................................................. none 33 A.D - 325 A.D.
creeds for 3 centuries and were persecuted .............................approx 325 Nicea 1st Creed -required by Roman law ............................................................................................to be read in churches - persecution stops

Elohim - a plural Hebrew noun ex. Family .....................Deity(Latin) - a singular "god" idea/word from Rome & Greece
Gen 1:26 "And Eloheim said let US..............................................Rome is beast of Dan 7:19-20, Dan 2 kingdom of iron
make man in OUR image." (includes Father & Son).........................Greece is beast of Dan 7:6, Dan 2 kingdom of brass
God created the world through Jesus Christ Eph 3:9......................Persia is beast of Dan 7:5, Dan 2 kingdom of silver
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Babylon is beast of Dan 7:4, Dan 2 head of gold

Godhead Acts 17:29 KJV, Col 2:9, Ps 82:1..........................Trinity - coined by Tertullian who also said the Son had a ........................................................................................beginning - sorry Trins
https://www.lds.org/topics/godhead?lang=eng.......................... ANF03. Latin Christianity: Its Founder, Tertullian

"The Father and I are one"
Father - Most High(El Elyon) - Psalms 47:2-3, Psalms 110:1, Acts 7:55...................Father "co-equal, one substance, ............................................................. .........................................................one being" the Almighty

Son - Holy One of Israel - Isaiah 54:5 KJV, Acts 13:35....................Son "co-equal, co-substantial, one being"
Son of the Most High, servant - Isaiah 42:1, 6, 8, .................................... Son of the Almighty God
"Enough Breast" (El Shaddai) - Rev 1:8, 4:8, Jn 8:58, Gen 17:1 ...................per Apostles Creed and others
"The Father is greater than I."
"Who hath seen me, hath seen the Father."
"Whatsoever the Father doeth the Son doeth likewise." "I am the way." Jn 14:6
Inheritor - now on right hand, but will sit in Father's stead & be called Father .......... immutable - Son forever ................................................................................................Platonic/Aristotlian(Greece again) concept
Isaiah 9:6, "inheritor of my mountains" Isaiah 65:9; Heb 1:4.......................but already "co-equal"; denies ...........................................................................................................inheritance; enemy to Christ
Under the Hebraic law, the firstborn or begotten inherited all his father had.

only begotten .................................................. ........................325 creed - "begotten before all worlds"
Heb 7:28 Oath of the Father - .........................................................under Bishop of Rome as Pontifex maximus
"Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee." ............................... became "eternally begotten"

John 15:16 Pray/ask the Father in the name of Jesus Christ .......................... Pray to Son or Mary

Holy Ghost ...................................................................................... Holy Ghost - not declared
Matt 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, ...... co-substantial in Nicean Creed - oops!
it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, .............Constantinople 381 A.D.- ................................................................................................declared as co-equal & one substance
it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come............... with the Son ...............................................................................................................(blasphemy against HG?)

Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Descended upon Jesus in form of dove in River Jordan ...............sprinkle sinless infants with "holy water" salted ...............................................................................................like in pagan roman holy water

Prophets/Apostles/Bishops, etc.....................................vicarius filii dei (666) in Donation of Constantine until ruled ........................................................................................a fake (fallible?)
. . . .. .. .. . . . . .. . . . . .. . . . . . .. .. . . . .. . . . . . .. .. . . .tiaras destroyed by Napoleon
Jesus: "call no man Father" Matt 23:9....................................."pope" from popa or literally daddy, father; "holy father"
John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: .............. dark ages, inquisitions, crusades against "heretics"
for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. ...........who made claim to Jesus' name
"You shall know them by their fruits" Matt 7:15-16

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.......Truth suppression, fabrications John 8:44
Gen 3:3,22.......................................................................................Gen 3:1,4,5
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution[restoration] of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Josh 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, ... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
"The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints." Ephesians 1:18.
AMEN

Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

The Matt 28:20 Church




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[Albion]

No, I'm just pointing out what the Bible says vs what orthodoxy claims.

Not a problem with that. But I thought you were asking (loaded) questions. In fact, that IS what you said you were doing, which is what prompted our replies about strawmen.

I'm not "attacking" anything. I asked a question.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Not a problem with that. But I thought you were asking (loaded) questions. In fact, that IS what you said you were doing, which is what prompted our replies about strawmen.

How is it loaded? It is "loaded" from your point of view I guess. I don't find anyplace in the Bible where the "Holy Spirit" is specifically called "YHWH." Holy in Hebrew is basically "set apart." I am not sure of the identity of this Spirit, and why He has a separate identity from the Father. I don't know if He is a Spirit who was foreordained to come to earth in bodily form or not. I believe the Bible is unclear there, and it is not fully revealed. However, I believe the Bible teaches the Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead.

 

[Albion]

How is it loaded? It is "loaded" from your point of view I guess.

You want me to produce evidence that supports your contentions, not mine.

 

[RevelationTestament]

You want me to produce evidence that supports your contentions, not mine.

What contentions? That the Bible does not clearly call the Holy Spirit "YHWH." I do believe that. Maybe "He" is or maybe He isn't. Or maybe He will be. It is not at all clear to me at this moment. That is all. You apparently don't know either. And I maintain neither did the councils. But I believe Revelation hints at it. At this point tho I cannot impose my belief on others nor do I seek to do so.

 

[Albion]

At this point tho I cannot impose my belief on others nor do I seek to do so.

Wow. You sure had me fooled.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Scripture Forbids The Use Of Any Ecumenical Creed

Creeds are good.
They are a basic summary of our beliefs.

If that is the case, why are there divisions and confusion in Christianity today, especially in respect to Eschatology and the endtimes?

Preterism and the Ecumenical Creeds

Preterism and the Ecumenical Creeds
By
David A. Green​

March, 1999​

Introduction
Some of the most impassioned attacks that are launched against preterists today come from Protestants who judge preterism (1) on the authority of the ecumenical creeds. In the past, many who have disagreed with preterism have attempted to reason with us and have endeavored to disprove us through exegesis, but this has not been the case with our creedalist brothers. They have only rebuked us sharply without discussion and condemned us as antichrists and as wolves amidst the sheep of God’s pasture.

The creedalists have behaved this way toward us partly because they believe that since our teaching is an alteration of a major doctrine in the ecumenical creeds, preterism must, ipso facto, be a denial of "the Faith once delivered to the saints." The creedalists have concluded from our significant creedal deviation that preterism can be nothing less than an attempt to subvert and overthrow the Christian religion itself...........



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