Scripture does not say matter came from nothing

[Aman777]

Ancient mankind thought that everything physical came from nothing BUT we now know that matter is the other side of the energy coin. God says:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

God took some of the energy in His Heaven and changed it into matter in our physical world. Gen 1:1 Lord God/Jesus took some of the matter God had created and changed it back into energy, which cooled and made our Cosmos. Gen 2:4 That's God's Truth which agrees with the consensus of Astronomers. It's proof of God. Amen?

 

[hedrick]

Be aware that the syntax of this verse can be understood in two ways:

* what is seen was made from things that are not visible.
* what is seen was not made from things that are visible.

The first makes more sense in context. While the logic isn't crystal clear, it seems to be in parallelism with the first half of the verse. In that case the unseen would be the Word.

 

[Aman777]

Be aware that the syntax of this verse can be understood in two ways:

* what is seen was made from things that are not visible.
* what is seen was not made from things that are visible.

The first makes more sense in context. While the logic isn't crystal clear, it seems to be in parallelism with the first half of the verse. In that case the unseen would be the Word.

Amen. The reason it's proof of God is that only God could have known what Albert Einstein discovered, almost 2k years before Albert discovered it. All physical matter came from energy and God got it right long, long ago. Amen?

 

[Speedwell]

Ancient mankind thought that everything physical came from nothing BUT we now know that matter is the other side of the energy coin. God says:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

God took some of the energy in His Heaven and changed it into matter in our physical world. Gen 1:1 Lord God/Jesus took some of the matter God had created and changed it back into energy, which cooled and made our Cosmos. Gen 2:4 That's God's Truth which agrees with the consensus of Astronomers. It's proof of God. Amen?

Ancient man certainly did not think everything material came from nothing. Creation ex materia is a perfectly respectable theological position entirely consistent with scripture. It was once quite widely held--some Christians believe it even today--but suppressed by the early Church because it was thought to be a "slippery slope" leading to Manicheanism, which was a troublesome heresy at the time.

 

[St_Worm2]

Ancient mankind thought that everything physical came from nothing BUT we now know that matter is the other side of the energy coin. God says:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

God took some of the energy in His Heaven and changed it into matter in our physical world. Gen 1:1 Lord God/Jesus took some of the matter God had created and changed it back into energy, which cooled and made our Cosmos. Gen 2:4 That's God's Truth which agrees with the consensus of Astronomers. It's proof of God. Amen?

Assuming for a moment that God did not create the universe (IOW, that space/time has existed from everlasting like He has), where did the energy in the universe come from (if not from Him)?

Thanks!

--David

 

[Speedwell]

Assuming for a moment that God did not create the universe (IOW, that space/time has existed from everlasting like He has), where did the energy in the universe come from (if not from Him)?

Thanks!

--David

Since it is our experience that mass/energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it is a reasonable conjecture that it has always existed.

 

[SkyWriting]

Ancient mankind thought that everything physical came from nothing BUT we now know that matter is the other side of the energy coin. God says:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

God took some of the energy in His Heaven and changed it into matter in our physical world. Gen 1:1 Lord God/Jesus took some of the matter God had created and changed it back into energy, which cooled and made our Cosmos. Gen 2:4 That's God's Truth which agrees with the consensus of Astronomers. It's proof of God. Amen?

Naturally it's not proof.
"Proof" only allows for one option with no other possibilities.
That's why "proof" is only found in math.

 

[Job3315]

Ancient mankind thought that everything physical came from nothing BUT we now know that matter is the other side of the energy coin. God says:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

God took some of the energy in His Heaven and changed it into matter in our physical world. Gen 1:1 Lord God/Jesus took some of the matter God had created and changed it back into energy, which cooled and made our Cosmos. Gen 2:4 That's God's Truth which agrees with the consensus of Astronomers. It's proof of God. Amen?

Sound is energy: The Word (what came from God’s mouth) became flesh (matter).

 

[Aman777]

Creation ex materia is a perfectly respectable theological position entirely consistent with scripture.

Chapter and verse, please.

 

[Aman777]

Assuming for a moment that God did not create the universe (IOW, that space/time has existed from everlasting like He has), where did the energy in the universe come from (if not from Him)?

Thanks!

--David

Nothing comes from Nothing, including our Cosmos. Lord God/Jesus scattered the Stars through the Universe on the 3rd Day, which was some 13.8 billion years ago, in man's time.

The energy in our Universe came from God's Heaven which is filled with energy. Jesus IS the Light and Light requires energy. In Heaven, we will regain our perfect bodies, which A&E had, before the fall. I can hardly wait to look like Jesus with a Shekinah Glory which outshines the Sun. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Since it is our experience that mass/energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it is a reasonable conjecture that it has always existed.

Energy came into the physical world when God the Trinity said: Let there be Light. Gen 1:3 Jesus IS that Light and He made everything else. ONLY God the Trinity creates eternally. The things which Jesus "formed" are subject to death, including Humankind.

 

[Aman777]

Naturally it's not proof.
"Proof" only allows for one option with no other possibilities.
That's why "proof" is only found in math.

The light of the First Stars ignited 180 million years AFTER the big bang.

www.astronomy.com › News
Mar 2, 2018 - Using a ground-based radio antenna the size of a tabletop, astronomers found evidence suggesting the first stars formed just 180 million years after the Big Bang.

The big bang was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and the first stars lit up on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 Can you tell us HOW ancient men who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science got that one correct? Of course not, since ONLY God knew this 3k years ago. It's proof that God is the Author of Scripture. Amen?

 

[SkyWriting]

The light of the First Stars ignited 180 million years AFTER the big bang.

www.astronomy.com › News
Mar 2, 2018 - Using a ground-based radio antenna the size of a tabletop, astronomers found evidence suggesting the first stars formed just 180 million years after the Big Bang.

The big bang was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and the first stars lit up on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 Can you tell us HOW ancient men who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science got that one correct? Of course not, since ONLY God knew this 3k years ago. It's proof that God is the Author of Scripture. Amen?

Proof is only possible of there is only one possibility.

 

[Speedwell]

Chapter and verse, please.

What's that supposed to mean? There is no "chapter and verse" for creation ex nihilo either.

 

[Aman777]

Sound is energy: The Word (what came from God’s mouth) became flesh (matter).

God spoke without a mouth since He spoke Jesus, with a mouth, into the physical world. Jesus is God physically.
Col 2:9 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

God spoke when Jesus was baptized. Luk 3:22 ONLY God and men (descendants of Adam) have the ability to speak, PROVING Humans did NOT descend from Apes.

 

[Aman777]

Proof is only possible of there is only one possibility.

God said it and that is the only possibility. Everything else is changeable.

 

[Aman777]

Speedwell said: ↑
Creation ex materia is a perfectly respectable theological position entirely consistent with scripture.

What's that supposed to mean? There is no "chapter and verse" for creation ex nihilo either.

Amen. God the Trinity spoke and Jesus came into the physical world to take the air, dust and water God changed from energy into matter BEFORE the first Day. Gen 1:1

Jhn 1:3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[St_Worm2]

Since it is our experience that mass/energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it is a reasonable conjecture that it has always existed.

Hi Speedwell, while matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed within our universe, which is a closed system, that system, all of space/time (which includes its matter and energy, of course), had a beginning, and it will have an end .. cf 2 Peter 3:10-13.

The One who both created it (and everything in it) and sustains it .. Genesis 1:1; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17, came from outside of it, of course, because a Creator can not originate from within His own creation, though He now exists both outside of it (He is transcendent) and within it (He is also now immanent).

All we have to go on, beyond "reasonable conjecture" , is what has been revealed to us by God. Fortunately, that's all we need to know, yes .. e.g. Deuteronomy 29:29.

Yours and His,
David

 

[St_Worm2]

Sound is energy: The Word (what came from God’s mouth) became flesh (matter).

Hi Job, I see you are pretty new here, so first off, WELCOME TO CF

I'd also like to make a few comments about what you said above. The opening of the Gospel of John tells us that: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. He was in the beginning with God. ~John 1:1-2

I don't believe that the words God speaks are anymore "Him", than the words that you speak are "you".

Also, if what you believe is true, that would mean that the Logos (who is God the Son) was not in the beginning with God (not, from everlasting, like God is .. cf Psalms 90:2). After all, the words God speaks are created by Him, just like the words we speak are created by us.

Finally, that would mean that the Word was 'not' God, because God is not a created being. We also know there will only ever be one of Him.

"Before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me" ~Isaiah 43:10
"I am the Lord and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God" ~Isaiah 45:5
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Yours and His,
David

Colossians 1
16 By Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.​

 

[St_Worm2]

Nothing comes from Nothing

Agreed, everything comes from God, who called it all into existence. EVERYTHING within the universe, including the universe itself (space/time), was created by the One who is both before it and now sustains it.

Yours and His,
David