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I am only writing here for the sake of Truth. I believe that at judgement we will be asked among
other things,why we lived all our lives in lies and ignorance.This is particularly true of English
middle and upper classes,with whom I as an Irish Scot have nothing in common except ,a forced
on us language.
In 1707 when the so called Union of the Crowns took place it was against the desire of the
overwhelming [95 %] majority of Scottish people .
In 1745 the last freedom battle took place at Culloden,and the independence movement was
finally defeated .There is monument in the open air to this terrrible slaughter. But they
[[the English were not finished with the Scots. The Butcher ,the duke of cumberland,sent
out a decree that every boy ,man of 15/16 or more who had survived ,was to be put to the
sword,and they were.
Later the English decided that they wanted the profitable sheep farming business,so they burned
down the houses of all those whose land they wanted. The luckier ones were able to get onto
boats going to the States or Canada with their very few belongings,but the others were forced
onto barren rocks,where many of course died. They were made to feel by these 'great and good
English 'and their lackies,[ border scots mainly] that they had made God angry,and so it was their fault. Some Scots have long memories,passed from generation to generation, of the horrors that happened to their peoples .For them ,who came from loving supportive communities,where wealth was more shared
as Jesus woud have it, it was doubly terrible ,because the ones who took their place were greedy
money grubbers, ruthless snobs[for no reason except ignorance] who had no loyalty to any higher purpose of love.
So those who know the price of everything ,and the value of nothing ,would not begin to understand
the love of tribal peoples for each other,and their true worship of God,without all the 'ritual' and money .
They are given special treatment because they are special cases. Of course, English policy should not be dictated from Holyrood, but neither should Scottish policy be dictated from London. What motivation does a conservative government have to do anything good for Scotland, where they never win any votes anyway? Why would the 50 million people of England vote in measures that would be good for the 5 million Scots?
There is no more reason an independent Scotland would be a disaster than there would be for Norway, or Sweden, or Denmark to be. I believe Scotland would try and base their economy and society on those nations. The important thing would be for the transition to be gradual but purposeful. The most dangerous thing an independent Scottish government could do would be to make a clean and instant break with Westminster, which would risk throwing the entire country into chaos.
Why should London have control over Cornwall? Why don't we just break up the country into small tribes because times were better back then... weren't they?
My thinking is that unity is better than division. I don't like having a conservative government, but I'm not allowed to be a country to myself.
There aren't five million of you though. And there's not a history of the conservative party oppressing the lib dems. You shouldn't underestimate how high feelings still run in Scotland over their historical treatment at the hands of the English.
5 million people is hardly a tribe. There is a certain scale where independence just becomes ridiculous, but it's far below 5 million people. Different regions benefit from different styles of government. Ireland and Germany, for example, have completely different economies, so it is crazy for the two countries to have the same tax rate imposed on them.
There aren't five million of you though. And there's not a history of the conservative party oppressing the lib dems. You shouldn't underestimate how high feelings still run in Scotland over their historical treatment at the hands of the English.
All the Scots I know (which I'm aware doesn't account for all Scots) are strongly opposed to independence and think Salmond's an idiot.
All the Scots I know (which I'm aware doesn't account for all Scots) are strongly opposed to independence and think Salmond's an idiot.
I found that a lot of Scottish people are against independence aswell. I don't think the Scots are stupid enough to do something like that.
If that were the case the SNP would not have had an even more convincing win second time round.
No, its the English who stand to loose if we were to become independant - if that were not the case England would have let us become independant long ago.
Okay, would you please stop babbling on about things that happens centuries ago. It has nothing to do with the present situation. Do you have any knowledge of the present moment? If so, then base your argument on that, not irrelevant facts about History. Oh and Sheep farming really? You are going to get caught up on Sheep farming. Oh my life.
P.s I find your perception of the English people based on a few wealthy and power hungry people throughout history to be very insulting.
Excuse me, but how exactly are the Scottish special cases? They are the same as everyone else. I am in favour of some autonomy for Scotland, but the more independence we give to them, the more disunity it causes. I would like to see more power given to local councils, but I wouldn't call for regional independence. Devolution has created a false illusion that independence would work. But devolution still relies on the rest of the UK. And actually, Conservatives won 1 seat on Scotland. We can't ignore the demands of a minority and in the UK as a whole, the desires of the many defeat that of the minority. What's good for 50 million is good for the other 5 million maybe. Scotland have benefited from having the Conservatives in power. They still got their beloved SNP in the assembly, so be happy with that.
The only thing we have to lose is 5 million Scottish people. We have around 60 million people in the UK. I think we'd do pretty well with less responsibility.
I found that a lot of Scottish people are against independence aswell. I don't think the Scots are stupid enough to do something like that.
Okay, would you please stop babbling on about things that happens centuries ago. It has nothing to do with the present situation. Do you have any knowledge of the present moment? If so, then base your argument on that, not irrelevant facts about History. Oh and Sheep farming really? You are going to get caught up on Sheep farming. Oh my life.
P.s I find your perception of the English people based on a few wealthy and power hungry people throughout history to be very insulting.
The Scots are historically a different nation to England. They have their own language, their own culture, music, stories, and worldview. They should have the right to self-determination. Unity for unity's sake isn't something the fate of nations should be decided upon.Excuse me, but how exactly are the Scottish special cases? They are the same as everyone else. I am in favour of some autonomy for Scotland, but the more independence we give to them, the more disunity it causes. I would like to see more power given to local councils, but I wouldn't call for regional independence.
Devolution has created a false illusion that independence would work. But devolution still relies on the rest of the UK. And actually, Conservatives won 1 seat on Scotland. We can't ignore the demands of a minority and in the UK as a whole, the desires of the many defeat that of the minority. What's good for 50 million is good for the other 5 million maybe. Scotland have benefited from having the Conservatives in power. They still got their beloved SNP in the assembly, so be happy with that.
Many Scots do, but as Celtic D said, the election results show that that's not a universal position.All the Scots I know (which I'm aware doesn't account for all Scots) are strongly opposed to independence and think Salmond's an idiot.
Nobody, but look at this list: List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaWho says you get to decide what the population should be before you can be considered a country? Don't for get the around about 1,000,000 Scottish people who now live in England. Ireland has a different economy, yeah and look how that messed up recently.
Let's also not forget the many times in History when Scotland was about to invade England. Lets not forget the times when Scotland made alliances with France and went to war with us. Scotland are not totally historically innocent, but I don't really care about things that happens centuries ago. What matters is the present day. Stop using History as an excuse.
The only thing we have to lose is 5 million Scottish people. We have around 60 million people in the UK. I think we'd do pretty well with less responsibility.
The whole point for the illiterate in history ,is that they have a different history ,and a differentpoint of view andcare about different things.Okay, would you please stop babbling on about things that happens centuries ago. It has nothing to do with the present situation. Do you have any knowledge of the present moment? If so, then base your argument on that, not irrelevant facts about History. Oh and Sheep farming really? You are going to get caught up on Sheep farming. Oh my life.
P.s I find your perception of the English people based on a few wealthy and power hungry people throughout history to be very insulting.
Excuse me, but how exactly are the Scottish special cases? They are the same as everyone else. I am in favour of some autonomy for Scotland, but the more independence we give to them, the more disunity it causes. I would like to see more power given to local councils, but I wouldn't call for regional independence. Devolution has created a false illusion that independence would work. But devolution still relies on the rest of the UK. And actually, Conservatives won 1 seat on Scotland. We can't ignore the demands of a minority and in the UK as a whole, the desires of the many defeat that of the minority. What's good for 50 million is good for the other 5 million maybe. Scotland have benefited from having the Conservatives in power. They still got their beloved SNP in the assembly, so be happy with that.
The whole point for the illiterate in history ,is that they have a different history ,and a different
point of view,and care about different things.
I do not adddress this to you but this is an American site. They are fed up with certain English arrogants,like on this site,and want their own independent media above all. Who is the BBC to
say that Scotland cannot have her own television broadcasting company from Scotland,paid
by Scottish licencees.Why should you decide, what they can and cannot make in their own country ?
Oh yes Ignore history as you have always done.
Frankly I would not care very much, one way or other ,but your attitude has added to
my certainty, that the sooner the better .
Excuse me - the UK as it stands is NOT England, it is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so stop talking as if the UK is an English autonomy!!!
Oh and on what basis do you make that claim, please provide evidence - Thanks
The whole point for the illiterate in history ,is that they have a different history ,and a differentpoint of view andcare about different things.
I do not adddress this to you but this is an American site.
They are fed up with certain English arrogants,like on this site,and want their own independent media above all.
Who is the BBC to say that Scotland cannot have her own television broadcasting company from Scotland,paid by Scottish licencees?
Why should you decide, what they can and cannot make in their own country ?
Oh yes Ignore history, as you have always done. And we are talking about Modern English people ,not just a few,but the majority,who know nothing about their true history. You like to play History written to suit you.Are you not so proud of what makes you support your royalty,their long line of succession etc .etc Or is it that you only want to remember what suits you ?
In order to share a United Kingdom,, it must be as equals,who know their history.You see in the end we have nothing to talk about, no shared 'battles' against an enemy which binds ,because you were always the enemy. The French and Scots were great friends because they fought together to get rid of the English.The French did ,but Scotand was beaten.
Frankly I would not care very much, one way or other ,but your attitude has added to my opinion,that ,the sooner the better.
Not nice.
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