Scoring Religions

[ViaCrucis]

I had done the Belief-O-Matic several times over the years. First time however that it only gave me a single response instead of a range of proximity.

So I guess I'll try and arbitrarily establish a score, though I'd like to point out that this has nothing to do with how I feel about the religion or its adherants, simply what I consider I'm closer to in various ways concerning my religious beliefs.

Lutheran +10 (pretty obvious, that's what I am)
Other Mainline Protestant +9 (Presbyterian, Methodist, Anglican, etc)
Eastern Orthodox +8
Roman Catholic +7
Old Catholic/Ultrajectine +6
Oriental Orthodox +5
Non-Charismatic Evangelical +4
Anabaptist +3
Trinitarian Universalist +3
Charismatic Evangelical +2
Orthodox Judaism +1
Reform Judaism +1
Mormonism 0
Jehovah's Witnesses 0
Quaker 0
Sunni Islam 0
Shia Islam
Baha'i 0
Pagan -1
Unitarian Universalist -2
Pastafarianism -5?

Generally speaking it's fairly arbitrary, since I couldn't figure out if there were any really good rules to go by here. The only reason I put "Paganism" at -1 was because, at least till then, we had been talking monotheist, Abrahamic religion which is certainly closer to what I believe in almost any form than anything else. And at that point I assigned arbitrary numbers for little to no good reason.

-CryptoLutehran

 

[ViaCrucis]

I'm not sure I feel right about ranking religions. I find this thread very interesting, but I just feel like it would be very hard to be unbiased and give any non-Judaism religion a fair shake.

I had the same feeling. But I let whimsy overtake me.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[fschmidt]

So I guess I'll try and arbitrarily establish a score, though I'd like to point out that this has nothing to do with how I feel about the religion or its adherants, simply what I consider I'm closer to in various ways concerning my religious beliefs.

Whether one scores based on beliefs or values depends on whether one values beliefs more or values more. Someone who values beliefs more will have Orthodox Christian and Mainline Protestant close together, and Orthodox Judaism and Reform Judaism close together. Someone, like me, who values values more will have Orthodox Christian and Orthodox Judaism close together, and Mainline Protestant and Reform Judaism close together.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

The Belief-o-Matic was changed, as others have pointed out.

My top result was (perhaps unsurprisingly) Unitarian Universalism, even though I have not been affiliated with any faith group for more than a decade.

Here's how I'd rate things, based on how much I know about certain traditions:

Pretty much any extreme, exclusivist and/or fundamentalist world view (such as Wahhabi/Salafi Islam, ultra-orthodox Judaism, fundamentalist Christianity, Hindu nationalism, "Objectivism", Stalinism, etc.): - 10

Deleterious and/or preposterous "cults" (Scientology, Jehova's Witnesses, Aum, etc.): -10

"Mainstream" Islam (Shia or Sunni): - 9

Amish-style Protestantism (Mennonites?): - 9

Mormons (on account of being absolutely crackpot insane WRT their foundational myths): - 5

Roman Catholicism: - 1 (My esteem has risen considerably since Pope Franciscus took office, but it's been a reactionary and deleterious force for so long that I still cannot truly appreciate it).

(European) Mainstream Protestantism: 0

Judaism: 0

"New Age" (positively insane in many places, yet with a few gems thrown in for good measure): 1

Eastern Orthodox: 3

Wicca: 3

Hinduism: 5

Baha'i: 5

Thelema: 6

"Core" Shamanism: 7

Buddhism: 7

Philosophical Daoism: 9

Pretty much any mystic tradition within or without the larger religions: 10

Unitarian Universalism (apparently): 10

 

[fschmidt]

Eastern Orthodox: 3

Since your views are essentially the opposite of mine, I am somewhat concerned that you gave Eastern Orthodox the same score that I did. I would have felt more comfortable if you had given it a negative score. Doesn't it bother you that the Eastern Orthodox maintain traditions and only have male clergy? Why did you give it a positive score? Maybe I missed something that should cause me to lower its score.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Since your views are essentially the opposite of mine, I am somewhat concerned that you gave Eastern Orthodox the same score that I did. I would have felt more comfortable if you had given it a negative score. Doesn't it bother you that the Eastern Orthodox maintain traditions and only have male clergy? Why did you give it a positive score? Maybe I missed something that should cause me to lower its score.

Are you serious, or are you just trying to troll?

Whatever, I'll answer honestly nonetheless:

Out of all the diverse Christian traditions, Eastern Orthodoxy is the closest you will ever get to a mystic tradition that has made it into the mainstream (rather than being a tiny fringe phenomenon).

Their conception of the afterlife is the least silly and the most sublime out of all the various beliefs within the Christian spectrum, and its rationalization of heaven and hell being essentially the same state experienced by a fundamentally different mindset is positively brilliant.

Also, they lack some of the more insane addenda to the lore that you'll find in Roman Catholicism (Mary's immaculate conception, Augustine's concept of original sin, the infallibility of the pope, strict celibacy of all priests etc.), while maintaining an appreciation for ritual that is missing from most Protestant denominations.

Sure, they are a bunch of mostly reactionary old men who tend to forge alliances with autocratic rulers like Vladimir Putin - but their chants are positively sublime.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I just noticed that the Belief-o-Matic has sent me the full results via e-mail.
Here they are:

Unitarian Universalism (100%)

Liberal Quaker (91%)

Secular Humanism (83%)

Taoism (77%)

New Age (71%)

Mahayana Buddhism (68%)

Liberal Christian Protestant (64%)

Scientology (57%)

Christian Science (55%)

Neo-Pagan (55%)

New Thought (55%)

Non-Theist (53%)

Theravada Buddhism (52%)

Jainism (50%)

Reformed Judaism (48%)

Orthodox Quaker (44%)

Sikhism (39%)

Hinduism (36%)

Baha'i (26%)

Mormons (22%)

Conservative Christian/Protestant (21%)

Muslim (20%)

Seventh Day Adventist (18%)

Roman Catholic (7%)?

Eastern Orthodox (7%)?

Orthodox Judaism (7%)?

Jehova's Witness (7%)?

I am not entirely sure whether the 7-percent entries were listed correctly, as they appeared far up in the column, and it seems almost impossible to receive a score in the single digits.

 

[fschmidt]

Are you serious, or are you just trying to troll?

Of course I am serious. If you read my other posts, you will see that I am a sincere reactionary. But even if our views are the opposite, maybe we share some sense of aesthetics. I agree that Eastern Orthodox aesthetics are the best in Christianity. And I also agree that the Eastern Orthodox don't have the absurd beliefs that other Christian groups have.

 

[ContraMundum]

Me:

Hebrew/Messianic Christian + 9
Orthodox Judaism + 8 (if the Jesus thing is wrong, it would be +10, all others -10)
Evangelical Protestant +5
Roman Catholic + 4
Eastern or Oriental Orthodox + 2
Reform Judaism +1

The scrapheap:
Bahai -10
Mormonism -10
Hinduism -10
Islam -10

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Ha Ha, my full belief-o-matic profile went to spam, just dug it up.

Unitarian Universalism 100%
Taoism 91%
Liberal Quaker 90%
Mahayana Buddhism 81%
New Age 75%
Christian Science 75%
Theravada Buddhism 71%
Scientology 70%
Neo-Pagan 69%
Jainism 65%
New Thought 65%
Hinduism 60%
Secular humanism 60%
Sikhism 58%
Reformed judaism 57%
Liberal Christian Protestant 54%
Eastern Orthodox 50%
Orthodox Quaker 44%
Mormons 39%
Bahai 32%
Jehovah's Witness 31%
Non theist 28%
Conservative Christian Protestant 24%
Muslim 19%
Orthodox Judaism 18%
Seventh Day Adventist 15%
Roman Catholic 10%

 

[LoAmmi]

I don't trust the belief o matic. Orthodox Judaism scored lower than Neo Pagan for me and far below Islam.

 

[BruceDLimber]

My Belief-o-Matic scores:

• Baha'i 100%
• with Liberal Quaker in second place.

Bruce

 

[LoAmmi]

Kosher paganism ie "mainstream" garbage
ineffectual Jew approved Paganism -10

Jew approved Paganism?

You don't read our text much, do you?

 

[LoAmmi]

Have you visited a qualified psychiatrist to talk about your issues?

 

[LoAmmi]

*Sigh*

The Jew Alex Linder (who pretends to be a white nationalist) had it right when he said...

"You don't argue with a Jew, you step on it".

LoAmmi "gefilte fish" scammy in with the typical dismissive Jew insult in place of any actual rebuttal to what is said. What a racket you creatures have got going and most are simply too naieve to catch on.

I hate gefilte fish. Disgusting stuff. I'd rather drown.

You seem to have a decided lack of knowledge in history, genetics, and culture. Also, some anger issues directed at people that have probably done nothing to you. What have I done to you, for example?

 

[LoAmmi]

Well, the very first thing you posted was saying I was an atheist psychopath. Seems like you're the one who fired the first insult shot here. You want to claim I'm somehow displaying some sort of typical behavior, what does it mean for you to start off with insults?

Which Jewish liberal media bosses approved forms of Paganism? Do you have names? Can you show me where this occurred?

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Scientifically, racism has been dead for more than half a century. Stone-dead and never to be resurrected since the advent of genetics.

Ideologically, it has jumped the shark when the Nazis attempted to "purge" the "aryan race" by systematically murdering Jews, gypsies, handicapped people and all sorts of "undesirables".

So what's there to discuss, really? What "other side" is there to be considered?

 

[LoAmmi]

It was stated in a generality/blanket statement type of catch-all form ie "Jews" not a singling of any one particular Jew out specifically.

Your excuse is less than convincing. I am part of a people you say are psychopaths. Therefore you are saying I am one.

Google for the article "Who rules America" by Dr. William Pierce since I am not as of yet allowed to link anything and have it appear on this site.

The culture and ALL ideology in it is shaped or attempted to be shaped by media controller Jews.

The entire premise seems to be that because this man, and his group (presumably you) dislike a number of things that have changed culturally, it must be because Jews who run media networks are changing minds of good white people to believe these things. Is that correct?

 

[LoAmmi]

Never happened. Post war propaganda lie of Communist Jew Ilya Ehrenburg.

My wife's family lost a few very close friends and I have seen a remaining one that has the numbers tattooed on his arm. He did not tattoo it on himself and those people didn't kill themselves.

 

[LoAmmi]

Notice how standoffish you are?

Thats another typical and negative Jewish racial trait.

You should trust me on good faith beings we're on a "faith" forum after all.

Standoffish: distant and cold in manner; unfriendly.

I tend to have this as a personality trait. Other Jews I know don't. We've discussed this type on thing on the forum before, albeit without the racial overtones.

Whats correct LoAmi is that your people considering your overall low numbers have considerable far too much power and influence.

This= bad for the rest of us as the endless wars for Israel painfully prove.

For most of European history we had little to no influence and were confined to ghettos. I find it interesting that you believe we created Christianity to get the Gentiles to serve our interest when Christians who believe we killed Jesus and deserved to be punished have been one of the biggest enemies of our people. There's a contradiction there I'm not sure you're really getting.

Which endless wars for Israel? The first Gulf War was over oil. The Iraqi invasion was over oil. We seem to be very willing to go where the oil is to fight.