Scientists find first bird beak.

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Your reality is a fantasy that has no support as far as origin issues go. Tossing out the phrase last thursday does not help.

<StrongSpanishAccent> Theeze Words, "reality" and "fantasy", I do not theenk they mean what you theenk they meen... </StrongSpanishAccent>

"Reality" is just that. We all share this one reality. This reality is predictable and we can find things out about it reliably. We've do this in a predictable, reliable and even repeatable way all the time. You might harbour your own delusions within this reality, but we're all here together and we all have to share this one and only reality we know exists. It seems to me like you're only going to interfere with your unfounded suppositions while everyone else wants to find out true things about this reality we know exists. Honestly, it's almost as if you believe your God is a Trickster God just out pranking humanity for giggles...

...Your self-deception matches last Thursdayism to a Tee.

 

[AirPo]

Your reality is a fantasy that has no support as far as origin issues go. Tossing out the phrase last thursday does not help.

Tossing out the phrase origin issues is comical. Which is actual helpful.

 

[Brightmoon]

[QUOTE="Bugeyedcreepy, post: 72694058, member ( snip)

Honestly, it's almost as if you believe your God is a Trickster God just out pranking humanity for giggles..( snip)....[/QUOTE]

This is the reason I rejected Bible based creationism as theology.

 

[dad]

<StrongSpanishAccent> Theeze Words, "reality" and "fantasy", I do not theenk they mean what you theenk they meen... </StrongSpanishAccent>

How would you think reality was what it was if you thought it was something else? Ai yi yi yi yi (strong Cuban accent)

"Reality" is just that. We all share this one reality.

?? Which one is that? We aren't mind readers here.

This reality is predictable and we can find things out about it reliably.

Great, so let's start by finding out what you are talking about and what you think 'it' is.

We've do this in a predictable, reliable and even repeatable way all the time.

Science is predictably wrong on origin issues. Repeatedly. We can absolutely rely on that fact.

You might harbour your own delusions within this reality, but we're all here together and we all have to share this one and only reality we know exists.

Sorry, denying history and Jesus and cooking up fables is not something I am in on.

It seems to me like you're only going to interfere with your unfounded suppositions while everyone else wants to find out true things about this reality we know exists.

Light exists from stars. The thing is, it exists here. Our nature exists. The problem is you do not know it always did exist on earth. Calling your religious dreams and utterances reality is doing violence to the language.

Honestly, it's almost as if you believe your God is a Trickster God just out pranking humanity for giggles...

Anyone that does not immerse themselves in the delusions and fanatical beliefs of your religion is a trickster in your mind. Fine. Sounds like Golem to me 'nasty little tricksters, these non so called science believers are'

...Your self-deception matches last Thursdayism to a Tee.

As much as you want to pretend folks who don't believe in your religion also do not believe in last week, I must point out you are being a trickster in suggesting such outlandish nonsense.

 

[dad]

Tossing out the phrase origin issues is comical. Which is actual helpful.

Not that comical actually.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

How would you think reality was what it was if you thought it was something else? Ai yi yi yi yi (strong Cuban accent)

I would be confused if I thought reality was different to what reality presented me with... but ultimately, I'd have to go with what reality presents me with.

?? Which one is that? We aren't mind readers here.

there's only one.

Great, so let's start by finding out what you are talking about and what you think 'it' is.

this one.

Science is predictably wrong on origin issues. Repeatedly. We can absolutely rely on that fact.

but no evidence from you aside your unfounded mumbles of "...I don't like it!"?

Sorry, denying history and Jesus and cooking up fables is not something I am in on.

QED my last.

Light exists from stars. The thing is, it exists here. Our nature exists. The problem is you do not know it always did exist on earth. Calling your religious dreams and utterances reality is doing violence to the language.

We understand a great deal about physics and cosmology. These are the reasons why we know you have no idea what you're talking about and why we know you're wrong about all of it. Short of pulling a God out of your hat who readily admits to creating everything last Thursday to fool everyone who works in the sciences, we have only the evidence to go on.

Anyone that does not immerse themselves in the delusions and fanatical beliefs of your religion is a trickster in your mind. Fine. Sounds like Golem to me 'nasty little tricksters, these non so called science believers are'

No, I suggest that it is YOU who has to believe in a trickster God who leaves all the evidence in this universe to 100% look like it's an immensely old universe in the order of 13.8 billion years while expecting us to be credulous at a 6,000 to 10,000 year old universe instead.

As much as you want to pretend folks who don't believe in your religion also do not believe in last week, I must point out you are being a trickster in suggesting such outlandish nonsense.

but you'll have us believe that your God created the entire universe those few thousand years ago to look like it was billions upon billions of years old though, right?

 

[dad]

I would be confused if I thought reality was different to what reality presented me with... but ultimately, I'd have to go with what reality presents me with.

Don't we all.

We understand a great deal about physics and cosmology.

I understand a great deal about what you claimed to understand.

These are the reasons why we know you have no idea what you're talking about and why we know you're wrong about all of it. Short of pulling a God out of your hat who readily admits to creating everything last Thursday to fool everyone who works in the sciences, we have only the evidence to go on.

It is more about ignoring and defying and denying God, than pulling Him out of something.

No, I suggest that it is YOU who has to believe in a trickster God who leaves all the evidence in this universe to 100% look like it's an immensely old universe in the order of 13.8 billion years while expecting us to be credulous at a 6,000 to 10,000 year old universe instead.

It looks that way to those whose religion demands it be so colored.

but you'll have us believe that your God created the entire universe those few thousand years ago to look like it was billions upon billions of years old though, right?

It only looks like that to those of your religion.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Don't we all.

I understand a great deal about what you claimed to understand.

It is more about ignoring and defying and denying God, than pulling Him out of something.

It looks that way to those whose religion demands it be so colored.

It only looks like that to those of your religion.

well, this doesn't seem to be going anywhere... You insist on equivocating my uncertainty about all the Gods ever proposed (which of course includes your God), my acceptance of well-evidenced science and my recognising that we humans are an easy-to-fool bunch as a "religion" when it is in fact, the complete opposite.

I'm not "ignoring and defying and denying God", because I'd first have to know he exists. If it isn't possible to see any better evidence for your God than pretty much any other God proposition that has ever crossed my path, then I'm not going to build my life around it now, just like you won't be establishing a worldview around some other God you don't accept, right?

 

[Brightmoon]

Even believing in God doesn’t excuse the blanket denial and hand waving that creationists tend to indulge in. They’re basically just lies of omission. If a medical practitioner commited Those type of lies of omission , they could go to jail . That’s how seriously the medical profession takes this type of lying. Scientists lose their jobs with the possibility of losing their career permanently . And some professional creationists have to sign statements saying that they’ll do this on purpose.

Mainstream science will not accept creationist pseudoscience, period !

 

[Jimmy D]

Don't we all.

I understand a great deal about what you claimed to understand.

It is more about ignoring and defying and denying God, than pulling Him out of something.
It looks that way to those whose religion demands it be so colored.


It only looks like that to those of your religion.

Oh no! Are you saying that accepting the findings of science is some form of religion? Is that good or bad? Does that apply to all science? Does that put science on an equal footing with christianity? I'm confused now. Do I need to change my profile info?

 

[dad]

well, this doesn't seem to be going anywhere... You insist on equivocating my uncertainty about all the Gods ever proposed (which of course includes your God), my acceptance of well-evidenced science and my recognising that we humans are an easy-to-fool bunch as a "religion" when it is in fact, the complete opposite.

They cannot be fooled if grounded to the truth. They cannot help but be fooled if they are not. The god of this world has blinded their eyes. Think about it. If creation is real, what mechanism in this world blinds people regarding how Jesus really created all things including the heavens, and life? One word comes to mind...science. Science is the instrument to blind people. Yet it presents itself as a bearer of light!!!!

wow

I'm not "ignoring and defying and denying God", because I'd first have to know he exists.

Ok so now you are trying to make it personal...about you.

Well, answer me this, if science is the tool of the devil to delude men and keep them from believing in creation and God, how would your position of not believing in God be able to protect you from being blinded?

There is only one Light and one Way to see the light. There is only one way to NOT be blinded by the inspired doubts and deceptions of science!

If it isn't possible to see any better evidence for your God than pretty much any other God proposition that has ever crossed my path, then I'm not going to build my life around it now, just like you won't be establishing a worldview around some other God you don't accept, right?

There is lots of evidences for lots of gods. What we should ask ourselves is if there is a real and good actual Almighty creator God also. The issue is not whether there also are some demons with some power or reality.

None of those little evil demon gods would likely oppose science, which is the chief demon's tool to deceive the world. (if they did, they would be the odd demon out so to speak in the kingdom of darkness)

 

[dad]

Even believing in God doesn’t excuse the blanket denial and hand waving that creationists tend to indulge in. They’re basically just lies of omission. If a medical practitioner commited Those type of lies of omission , they could go to jail . That’s how seriously the medical profession takes this type of lying. Scientists lose their jobs with the possibility of losing their career permanently . And some professional creationists have to sign statements saying that they’ll do this on purpose.

Mainstream science will not accept creationist pseudoscience, period !

That is why I will rejoice when it is forever abolished and laughed at.

 

[Brightmoon]

Dad no is impressed by an ignorant person who blathers on about something he’s ignorant about

 

[dad]

Oh no! Are you saying that accepting the findings of science is some form of religion?

The so called findings of science on issues of origins of life amount to nothing more than a belief in a same nature in the past. That is of course just religion.

Is that good or bad?

Since it blinds us to the truth of what the past and future will be and were actually like, and how God created...it is bad.

Does that apply to all science?

That is a great question! I was thinking about that the other day, and pretty well came to the conclusion that all of science is heavily inspired by the dark side. The WOMD, pollution, affect on society, etc etc. People will basically tell us that all of science uses the same methodology, and basically branches of science are like many different heads on the same creature!

I ask myself, does science lead the world to worship God? No. Does it lead to the truth? No. Is is good for mankind as a whole? I would say probably not. Yes, there are many benefits and good things also, but we need to look at the whole package. In the medical fields, when we see millions of babies killed, we should ask if the benefits outweigh the evil.

Does that put science on an equal footing with christianity?

No. No more than a demon possessed person is an equal religion with belief in Jesus. Just because science is belief based does not mean good beliefs.

 

[dad]

Dad no is impressed by an ignorant person who blathers on about something he’s ignorant about

Or one who pretends he knows something when he can hardly write a coherent sentence.

 

[Brightmoon]

Me no can type . I’m female by the way and I’m aware of your ignorance of the subject because I’m not. I occasionally do teach science classes

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Interjection: I'm positive long before scientists found anything, or a bird beak (if they actually found one and did not create it),

Adam and Chavah and their children all 'found' bird beaks in great plentitude (still attached to the first birds, still ALIVE ! ) ....

 

[Brightmoon]

Birds originally had jaws with teeth just like their non avian dinosaur and archosaurian ancestors . Even modern birds still carry the genes for making teeth . The genes are there but shut off.

Scientists have performed lab experiments where they turned the teeth making genes back on in bird embryos and got tooth buds

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Birds originally had jaws with teeth just like their non avian dinosaur and archosaurian ancestors . Even modern birds still carry the genes for making teeth . The genes are there but shut off.

Scientists have performed lab experiments where they turned the teeth making genes back on in bird embryos and got tooth buds

No, not according to any facts in evidence. i.e. not only no proof of that, also no reason to think of that.

 

[Brightmoon]

Why would you think that ? Whoever told you that was mistaken ( or lying)