Scientist 'Artic is Screaming'

[Blackness]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/12/11/arctic.melt.ap/index.html

An already relentless melting of the Arctic greatly accelerated this summer, a warning sign that some scientists worry could mean global warming has passed an ominous tipping point. One even speculated that summer sea ice would be gone in five years.

 

[Voegelin]

On the other hand, a study in the International Journal of Climatology this week shows ground observatives do not come close to matching climate model predictions.

 

[FilM]

That's not fair, after all the original research has been published in the respected International Journal of Climatology. And it's good to see that finally some of the skeptics are willing to submit their views and evidence to peer review.

Better than most skeptics' posts here, who tend to rely on opinions of ex-tobacco PR consultants like Milloy...

 

[horuhe00]

I wonder what note the Arctic is... Soprano? Tenor? Basso Profondo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpD2Cspn6g

 

[Billnew]

The Arctic is screaming," said Mark Serreze, senior scientist at the government's snow and ice data

Another sermon on global warming,
The high Preist Al Gore warned us, if we didn't repent, the Earth would be forever changed.
Us Earthly sinners were not loud enough, SO:

If they remain quiet, the Artic shall cry out

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Always thought that was Luke(19;40), but it apparently is Mark(1?).
Repent you demons of industry and convience, the Earth can not take anymore abuse. The Wraith of Mother Earth will decend upon us, and plagues and famine shall rain down on the lands.
All hail AL GORE and his followers, he shall save us all.

Plagues, famine, death by fire? Why does this sound like Revelations?

 

[Blackness]

Another sermon on global warming,
The high Preist Al Gore warned us, if we didn't repent, the Earth would be forever changed.
Us Earthly sinners were not loud enough, SO:
.
Always thought that was Luke(19;40), but it apparently is Mark(1?).
Repent you demons of industry and convience, the Earth can not take anymore abuse. The Wraith of Mother Earth will decend upon us, and plagues and famine shall rain down on the lands.
All hail AL GORE and his followers, he shall save us all.

Plagues, famine, death by fire? Why does this sound like Revelations?

...what?

 

[chaim]

No, it actually claims there is a discrepancy between models and measurements at certain altitudes in the tropical troposphere. It also shows very good agreement between models and measurements for surface temperatures (which is what is being talked about here). Strangely enough Fox News forgot to mention the second bit.

On the other hand, a study in the International Journal of Climatology this week shows ground observatives do not come close to matching climate model predictions.

 

[MichaelFJF]

If all this ice is melting, how come New York and Florida aren't under water yet?

 

[Blackness]

If all this ice is melting, how come New York and Florida aren't under water yet?

*face palm* Because we are not quite at that stage yet.

 

[MichaelFJF]

Uh huh.

 

[simplicity]

Typically biofeedback mechanisms in nature provide at least some mitigation. These have largely been ignored by these fly-by-night environmentalists. I will be curious to see how they explain themselves when the biosphere reacts to maintain equillibrium levels.

 

[horuhe00]

If all this ice is melting, how come New York and Florida aren't under water yet?

Because we don't live in a movie where everything must happen imediately for the story to be told in two hours flat.

 

[MsAnne]

Because we don't live in a movie where everything must happen imediately for the story to be told in two hours flat.

No, MichaelFJF has a legitimate question.
It has nothing to do with 'a movie'. If I recall my college physics class - the effects of water displacement happen immediatey.

 

[MichaelFJF]

I've seen a few alarmists recently that say half of the arctic cap is gone already. Shouldn't something be under water by now? Unless......of course........well, nevermind.

 

[zoziw]

I've seen a few alarmists recently that say half of the arctic cap is gone already. Shouldn't something be under water by now?

Quit making sense, that isn't allowed in the face of "peer reviewed" scientific papers.

 

[MsAnne]

Quit making sense, that isn't allowed in the face of "peer reviewed" scientific papers.

Dontcha hate that!?!

 

[Adoniram]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelFJF
I've seen a few alarmists recently that say half of the arctic cap is gone already. Shouldn't something be under water by now?

Quit making sense, that isn't allowed in the face of "peer reviewed" scientific papers.

I don't really support the contentions of all the global warming alarmists that are clamoring now, but I do have to clarify something about the above statement.

Whether or not "something should be under water by now" or not would depend on what part of the polar cap was melting.

If it is icebergs or any ice shelf that is over water, the water level will not rise. It's elementary physics. You can try an experiment yourself by putting a few ice cubes in a glass of water, marking a line at the water level after putting the cubes in, and then waiting until they melt. The water level will stay the same.

However, if the ice that is melting is over land, then yes, the water level should rise.

 

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I've seen a few alarmists recently that say half of the arctic cap is gone already. Shouldn't something be under water by now? Unless......of course........well, nevermind.

Quit making sense, that isn't allowed in the face of "peer reviewed" scientific papers.

Dontcha hate that!?!

Sigh.

Basic science.

Let me put it in easy terms. You have a full glass of water with an ice cube in it. The cube melts. Does the glass overflow? No, it doesn't. Check it at home if you don't believe me.

Now why is that? Its because the ice is already in the water, displacing the water. So when it melts there is no difference in the level of the water in the glass.

Are we following?

Assuming yes...

The Arctic ice cap is FLOATING ON THE ARCTIC OCEAN. If it melts entirely it will not raise worldwide ocean level by even a millimetre. Because its already in the ocean, frozen or not.

Ocean levels will rise when ice on land melts, because that was not in the ocean to begin with. Greenland and Antarctica. That's ice sitting on land. When that goes, sea levels will rise.

Back to the glass analogy. If you have a full glass of water and hold an icecube over it, when it melts the glass will indeed overflow. Another assertion you can test in your kitchen. That's how basic and obvious the science we're dealing with is here.

Peace.

 

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I don't really support the contentions of all the global warming alarmists that are clamoring now, but I do have to clarify something about the above statement.

Whether or not "something should be under water by now" or not would depend on what part of the polar cap was melting.

If it is icebergs or any ice shelf that is over water, the water level will not rise. It's elementary physics. You can try an experiment yourself by putting a few ice cubes in a glass of water, marking a line at the water level after putting the cubes in, and then waiting until they melt. The water level will stay the same.

However, if the ice that is melting is over land, then yes, the water level should rise.

Hey, no fair posting what I was saying while I was typing!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Basic science. Let me put it in easy terms. You have a full glass of water with an ice cube in it. The cube melts. Does the glass overflow? No, it doesn't. Check it at home if you don't believe me. Now why is that? Its because the ice is already in the water, displacing the water. So when it melts there is no difference in the level of the water in the glass....The Arctic ice cap is FLOATING ON THE ARCTIC OCEAN. If it melts entirely it will not raise worldwide ocean level by even a millimetre. Because its already in the ocean, frozen or not.

I've been trying to tell global warming alarmists the same thing for years. Thanks for pointing out the OBVIOUS HARD SCIENCE of the matter.