Scientism

[Papias]

Why not just answer, yes I believe in gravity and no, fish do not need bicycles?

Yep, good. I see that splitting it up like this has been used now.

For me, I would answer that the empirical worldview (which is clear about areas where there is evidence, such as the question of gravity or evolution, and agnostic in other areas, like the existence of some kind of God), is the most authoritative. Note that this includes the worldview of a Christian who does't deny evidence.

For the second part "having more value than other areas", I would disagree, since many other areas are very "valuable", and that the question itself is difficult to answer, since "value" is subjective. A similar question would be "do you agree that vanilla is the best flavor?".

Of course this will now become and analogy argument, arguing if your analogy accurately represents my post. At this point, the original question will be (hopefully?) forgotten.

I don't think so. In both the other posters and myself, this has allowed the conversation to move forward.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[DerelictJunction]

The definition didn't indicate equal authority, the definition stated that "empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview".....the MOST authoritative worldview.

Maybe you read it too quickly, but you disagreed that it was the MOST authoritative worldview. If it's not the MOST authoritative worldview, what other worldview is science secondary to?

I'm guessing that mathematics is not a field of study that you are familiar with.

There are concepts within math called "greater than", "less than" and "equal to".

Something that is the MOST is considered to be greater than the other items mentioned in the set. If something is equal to another item in the set, then it cannot be considered the MOST.

Is that a good enough explanation or should I start with simpler math concepts?

 

[justlookinla]

I'm guessing that mathematics is not a field of study that you are familiar with.

There are concepts within math called "greater than", "less than" and "equal to".

Something that is the MOST is considered to be greater than the other items mentioned in the set. If something is equal to another item in the set, then it cannot be considered the MOST.

Is that a good enough explanation or should I start with simpler math concepts?

You disagreed with this statement...."empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview".

If empirical science isn't the MOST AUTHORITATIVE worldview, what is the MOST AUTHORITATIVE worldview in your opinion?

 

[DerelictJunction]

You disagreed with this statement...."empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview".

If empirical science isn't the MOST AUTHORITATIVE worldview, what is the MOST AUTHORITATIVE worldview in your opinion?

I have made my opinion known. What is the MOST AUTHORITATIVE worldview in your opinion?

 

[justlookinla]

I have made my opinion known. What is the MOST AUTHORITATIVE worldview in your opinion?

You haven't identified the MOST AUTHORITATIVE worldview to which science is secondary.

The Wikipedia definition stands.

 

[bhsmte]

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[Subduction Zone]

I see that no one is playing your game justlookinla. Perhaps if you dropped the leading questions and tried again you could get somewhere.

 

[justlookinla]

I see that no one is playing your game justlookinla. Perhaps if you dropped the leading questions and tried again you could get somewhere.

Perhaps if you'd simply answered simple questions we'd get somewhere.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I would say that "empirical science" isn't a world view just as a hammer is not a world view.

 

[DerelictJunction]

You haven't identified the MOST AUTHORITATIVE worldview to which science is secondary.

The Wikipedia definition stands.

Looks like my mathematics lesson didn't take.

What concept were you hung up on? ....greater than? equal?

 

[justlookinla]

Looks like my mathematics lesson didn't take.

What concept were you hung up on? ....greater than? equal?

Anytime you wish to present your idea of the most authoritative view, which isn't science, I'd certainly be interested in seeing it.

 

[justlookinla]

I would say that "empirical science" isn't a world view just as a hammer is not a world view.

What would you say empirical science is?

 

[SkyWriting]

It seems as rather silly definition.


I don't think anyone claims that science is the most valuable part of human learning to the exclusion of other studies. Now you might be sad that science shows your mythological beliefs to be false. That is no excuse for you to attack one field of man's studies.

Yes, it is, exactly. That's the scientific process.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/08/18/acad-politics/

 

[SkyWriting]

Looks like the dictionary doesn't agree with your definition either.

Then go change the Wiki!

 

[SkyWriting]

Anytime you wish to present your idea of the most authoritative view, which isn't science, I'd certainly be interested in seeing it.

Law takes precedent.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Anytime you wish to present your idea of the most authoritative view, which isn't science, I'd certainly be interested in seeing it.

Looks like you still didn't understand my answer.

Should we start with something simpler? Do you understand the concept of numbers to provide symbolic representation of the amount or value of things?

 

[Tinker Grey]

What would you say empirical science is?

I might have thought that my reference to a hammer would have made it clear. It's a tool.

 

[justlookinla]

Looks like you still didn't understand my answer.

Should we start with something simpler? Do you understand the concept of numbers to provide symbolic representation of the amount or value of things?

Start with simply pointing out the most authoritative worldview, which isn't empirical science.

 

[justlookinla]

I might have thought that my reference to a hammer would have made it clear. It's a tool.

What is more the authoritative worldview than empirical science?

 

[DerelictJunction]

Start with simply pointing out the most authoritative worldview, which isn't empirical science.

Either you've stopped beating your wife or you haven't. Which is it?