Scientism

[justlookinla]

Great, you disagree. Do you disagree.....

1) in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach?

or

2) with the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview?

or

3) that it's most valuable part of human learning to the exclusion of other viewpoints?

Which part of the Wikipedia definition do you reject? All? Some? None?

I agree that it is universally applicable.
I disagree that it is the most authoritative worldview.
I disagree that it should be used as an exclusive viewpoint.

Either you've stopped beating your wife or you haven't. Which is it?

You disagree with the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview. What is the most authoritative worldview?

 

[DerelictJunction]

You disagree with the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview. What is the most authoritative worldview?

Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?

 

[justlookinla]

Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?

Since you were very plain about rejecting the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview, what is the most authoritative worldview?

 

[DerelictJunction]

Since you were very plain about rejecting the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview, what is the most authoritative worldview?

My answer has been given to you....http://www.christianforums.com/t7867741-5/#post67090025
That you refuse to accept it makes me think you are just trying to trap people with your question.

So, you have either stopped beating your wife or you haven't. Which is it?

 

[justlookinla]

My answer has been given to you....http://www.christianforums.com/t7867741-5/#post67090025
That you refuse to accept it makes me think you are just trying to trap people with your question.

So, you have either stopped beating your wife or you haven't. Which is it?

The question wasn't about EQUAL authority, the question was about which was the MOST AUTHORITATIVE view.

That's ok, you don't have to answer. Doesn't change Scientism one bit.

 

[DerelictJunction]

The question wasn't about EQUAL authority, the question was about which was the MOST AUTHORITATIVE view.

That's ok, you don't have to answer. Doesn't change Scientism one bit.

I did answer. Why must there be a MOST AUTHORITATIVE view?

My answer wasn't intended to change Scientism.

Why does it matter what Scientism is?

 

[justlookinla]

I did answer. Why must there be a MOST AUTHORITATIVE view?

I dunno. You'd have to ask those who embrace Scientism.

My answer wasn't intended to change Scientism.

Why does it matter what Scientism is?

It's simply a category of believers.

 

[DerelictJunction]

I dunno. You'd have to ask those who embrace Scientism.

Your answer makes no sense in light of your posts these last few hours. Just because there are people that choose a worldview to be the most authoritative for them does not mean I have to choose one to be most authoritative for me.
You, however, would not accept my answer and kept badgering me to choose one. What was your reason for requiring me to choose a MOST AUTHORITATIVE view, if you don't know why there must be one? Do you feel that each person must have one MOST AUTHORITATIVE view? Why?

It's simply a category of believers.

What was your point in starting this thread, then?

 

[justlookinla]

Your answer makes no sense in light of your posts these last few hours. Just because there are people that choose a worldview to be the most authoritative for them does not mean I have to choose one to be most authoritative for me.
You, however, would not accept my answer and kept badgering me to choose one. What was your reason for requiring me to choose a MOST AUTHORITATIVE view, if you don't know why there must be one? Do you feel that each person must have one MOST AUTHORITATIVE view? Why?

What was your point in starting this thread, then?

The point was to identify a category of believers.

Andddd......I have a few busy weeks ahead of me.

God bless everyone.

 

[quatona]

"Scientism is belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview or most valuable part of human learning to the exclusion of other viewpoints."

Agree or disagree?

Yes, that seems to be a fair representation of "scientism".

 

[SkyWriting]

What is more the authoritative worldview than empirical science?

Even math has higher authority.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, that seems to be a fair representation of "scientism".

With a little more emphasis on "to the exclusion of other viewpoints."

 

[SkyWriting]

The point was to identify a category of believers.

Andddd......I have a few busy weeks ahead of me.

God bless everyone.

Believers are sinners. Only the Father has authority.
Even Jesus followed the will of the Father.
I'm not sure He actually has gender, but I'll
accept what Jesus taught as the best version
of the Truth.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I predict you'll continually use the 'define this and define that' response in your future posts. We'll see.

Off course I will. Since you obviously have no intention of changing your ways. You will continue to ask loaded questions, trick questions and try to set up juvenile traps.

And every time someone will call you on it, you'll scream "evasion".

It's ridiculous.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I would say that "empirical science" isn't a world view just as a hammer is not a world view.

What would you say empirical science is?

I might have thought that my reference to a hammer would have made it clear. It's a tool.

What is more the authoritative worldview than empirical science?

Do you even read the posts you are replying to?

 

[DogmaHunter]

My answer has been given to you....http://www.christianforums.com/t7867741-5/#post67090025
That you refuse to accept it makes me think you are just trying to trap people with your question.

How else is he supposed to scream "EVASION!!!!" at every poster that doesn't happen to agree with his fundamentalist religious beliefs?

 

[DogmaHunter]

The question wasn't about EQUAL authority, the question was about which was the MOST AUTHORITATIVE view.

Which is why your question is nonsense.

If the dude thinks several things are authorative in their own way and by and large then views them as equal, then for him there are no "most authoritative" views

If you have 2 objects of the same weight, then there is no "heaviest" one.
If you have 2 objects of the same size, then there is no "biggest" one.

It's the difference between >, < and =

Sheesh!!!

 

[DogmaHunter]

Even math has higher authority.

Math is based on empirical science, just so you know.

You can base math on anything off course, but it will only be usefull if it's based on reality.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Math is based on empirical science, just so you know.

Not really. No one ever puts 3 apples on a table, takes 7 away, and photographs the -4 apples on the table to determine the outcome of the experiment. Euclid didn't use a protractor to determine that the sum of the angles in a triangle is 180 degrees.

Euclidean geometry is a game based on assuming a set of axioms, and seeing what logically follows. No empirical evidence is necessary. All mathematics is the same. It may have utility in empirical science; certain branches may have been motivated by empirical questions, but it is not really empirical itself.

 

[TasManOfGod]

There really needs to be a differentiation between actual science and "silly science. I suppose scientism is as good a name as any.