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Scientific proof of flood.

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Scientific proof of flood.

Here is an overview of my assumptions and conclusions.

A picture is attached at the bottom


A large body of water that is decreasing in height will cause this erosion by wave action.

Erosion removes material based on its makeup at the location of the water surface wave action.

The surface water does most of the work and erosion at a level will depend on how long the water surface remained there.

As the water level recedes the surface water waves undercut the edges of the structure.

If the structure is capable of supporting its new form it may be a vertical cliff or even have a large top on a slender column.

Because the structure above the water level is not affected by water wave action, it may remain, being only affected by winds and rain.

Also the striking by waves causes tunnels to form if the surface remains at one level.

The wave will force itself into any holes that develop causing an impact at the back of the opening removing loose material at the end of the tunnel.

Tunnels require fairly large waves and indicate a large body of water.

The water must recede quickly enough to prevent the structure from being leveled at the water line.

Greater erosion at the bottom of a structure indicates that the water level receded slower at the bottom then at the top as the water was able to remove more material.

In erosion from wind and rain there is no intensification of erosion at a horizontal line



Intensive erosion at the base of a structure can also be caused by the material type.

If erosion layers are caused by material type, then where rock layers that are not level the erosion line would be sloped.

If the rock layers and the erosion line differ it is obviously a water line erosion.

Erosion caused by material differences does not cause extremely smooth erosion lines while water erosion lines are very smooth as they can cut into very hard rock.

The harder the rock the smoother and more defined a water cut is which can develop a polished appearance.

Wind and rain can of course obscure the smoothness of a water line and inspection inside caves is more reliable.

In water erosion all objects at a specific level would erode in a similar manner regardless of what they were made of and so another peak would have the same indications of water level progress distance.

In other words if one peak indicates a rapid 5' drop other structures in the area will also indicate the same condition as the water drop is not dependent on the material of the structure.

Different material types may cause the volume of material removed to be different.


The picture you have shown has a water line which can be seen pausing at several heights.

Tunneling is apparent but no grain in the stone is visible from this distance.

The water undercut is clearly visible on several of the columns.

Judging by the picture upper right the water level must have been fairly high.

Hmm... Looks like the top water line shown at the right would cover just about everything.

Drilling samples, or cutting the rock to expose its interior may give additional evidence that the rock properties do not change with the erosion depth but a visual inspection is adequate to indicate the conditions of formation.


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duordi said:
Scientific proof of flood.

Here is an overview of my assumptions and conclusions.

A picture is attached at the bottom


A large body of water that is decreasing in height will cause this erosion by wave action.

Erosion removes material based on its makeup at the location of the water surface wave action.

The surface water does most of the work and erosion at a level will depend on how long the water surface remained there.

As the water level recedes the surface water waves undercut the edges of the structure.

If the structure is capable of supporting its new form it may be a vertical cliff or even have a large top on a slender column.

Because the structure above the water level is not affected by water wave action, it may remain, being only affected by winds and rain.

Also the striking by waves causes tunnels to form if the surface remains at one level.

The wave will force itself into any holes that develop causing an impact at the back of the opening removing loose material at the end of the tunnel.

Tunnels require fairly large waves and indicate a large body of water.

The water must recede quickly enough to prevent the structure from being leveled at the water line.

Greater erosion at the bottom of a structure indicates that the water level receded slower at the bottom then at the top as the water was able to remove more material.

In erosion from wind and rain there is no intensification of erosion at a horizontal line



Intensive erosion at the base of a structure can also be caused by the material type.

If erosion layers are caused by material type, then where rock layers that are not level the erosion line would be sloped.

If the rock layers and the erosion line differ it is obviously a water line erosion.

Erosion caused by material differences does not cause extremely smooth erosion lines while water erosion lines are very smooth as they can cut into very hard rock.

The harder the rock the smoother and more defined a water cut is which can develop a polished appearance.

Wind and rain can of course obscure the smoothness of a water line and inspection inside caves is more reliable.

In water erosion all objects at a specific level would erode in a similar manner regardless of what they were made of and so another peak would have the same indications of water level progress distance.

In other words if one peak indicates a rapid 5' drop other structures in the area will also indicate the same condition as the water drop is not dependent on the material of the structure.

Different material types may cause the volume of material removed to be different.


The picture you have shown has a water line which can be seen pausing at several heights.

Tunneling is apparent but no grain in the stone is visible from this distance.

The water undercut is clearly visible on several of the columns.

Judging by the picture upper right the water level must have been fairly high.

Hmm... Looks like the top water line shown at the right would cover just about everything.

Drilling samples, or cutting the rock to expose its interior may give additional evidence that the rock properties do not change with the erosion depth but a visual inspection is adequate to indicate the conditions of formation.


Duane

I don't understand how you think all this proves the Flood. You're arguing that the Grand Canyon must have been caused by water erosion -- but we know that. No reputable scientist argues that something other than water erosion was the primary force that shaped the Grand Canyon. But the water that did this was the Colorado River, not a global flood.
 
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notto said:
The problem I can see with this is that the creatinist flood model typically claims the same flood that caused the sediment that later became the SOLID ROCK is what caused the erosion.

When did the SOLID ROCK that these formations are carved out of form?
I'm an old cosmos, young Earther.
I place the cosmos, Earth, Sun and Moon in Gen: 1:1
Only the recreation of the Earths surface happens in the creation week.
So I have lots of time for rock building before the first day.

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I want to know how it is that only that small slice of Arizona got eroded away. One would think that a global flood would have affected much more.
This is a common site but there has been thousands of years of wind and rain erosion.
The dry areas are the best rpeserved.

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duordi said:
I'm an old cosmos, young Earther.
I place the cosmos, Earth, Sun and Moon in Gen: 1:1
Only the recreation of the Earths surface happens in the creation week.
So I have lots of time for rock building before the first day.

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The only problem is that there are animals in those rocks. You can't have the creation of animals after the rock formed.
 
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duordi said:
Oceans have big waves and a world wide ocean real big waves.

If the rock wasn't extreamly strong it would't last a month.

Duane

Wasn't the rocks under water away from wave action for most of that year? Where did the water go anyway being the world was covered and all? Why do you still believe this nonsense in the 21st century when it's been shown that it would have been impossible to flood the Earth (not enough water) and then leave NO evidence that it happened? (What you presented has been debunked a long time ago and would have had to have happened all over the world to be relevant anyway).
 
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I don't understand how you think all this proves the Flood. You're arguing that the Grand Canyon must have been caused by water erosion -- but we know that. No reputable scientist argues that something other than water erosion was the primary force that shaped the Grand Canyon. But the water that did this was the Colorado River, not a global flood.
Look at the elevation.

If this was caused by the colorado river then it covered most of the planet.

I guess you are the first to name it.

The Colorado Ocean.

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Not UNDER the water
The erosion happens almost entirely at the water line, which allows the sculpture effect.

If the water line recedes slower at the base of a structure then more material is removed at the base causing a large top on a small base.



If the water remains at a level for some time a water erosion line forms in the rock.

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duordi said:
The erosion happens almost entirely at the water line, which allows the sculpture effect.

If the water line recedes slower at the base of a structure then more material is removed at the base causing a large top on a small base.



If the water remains at a level for some time a water erosion line forms in the rock.

Duane

If the entire earth was covered in water then there wasn't a water line where this could occur.
 
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