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No i didnt.Anyone can go back and see what you said.I even took the quotes for posterity.You cannot tell whether an individual reproduced from looking at a skull.Whether you meant to agree with me,well...
no,theres no misunderstanding.
That contradicts the other guy and his 0.01%.You see what a problem that is when even naturalists cant agree?
Interesting,so really the fossil record isnt important then.You said 50% a few lines ago.And i realise theres commonalities in our DNA with other animals.
I've already noted that parsing responses into sound bites is a dishonest way of debating so I hope you'll keep that in mind in future replies.
I suppose mischaracterizing it as well as knocking down a straw man. Here's what was Blayz wrote and your response:
You should find another interest. The fossil record is vaguely academically interesting, but it accounts for 0.01% of evidence/the nature of evolution. If you really want to discuss human or any other evolution, get a grounding in genetics.Noted,so is it safe to say that really when a naturalist wants to defend his position,the fossil record actually doesnt back him?I find it interesting despite the multitudes of fossils discovered,you would say 0.01%
He picked a number at random to try and demonstrate his point (that fossils are only some of the evidence for evolution and that the greater weight is in the genetic evidences. You tried to act like this meant there was a death of evidence or conclusions we can draw from the fossils. While fossilization is rare and we'd love to have more fossils, there are, when you include invertebrates, literally mountains of them and they provide fabulous amounts of evidence. This is especially the case when determining morphology of extinct species and comparing that morphology with living species and other extinct species. To suggest the "fossil record isn't important" when it's been made clear that it is, even if it's not as compelling as the genetic evidence, is either a lie, a willful distortion or a straw man erected out of the Blayz's use of a number he pulled out of air instead of using a word like "some" or "a part".
Im not interested in talking about the fringe element in our society but it would be reasonable to conclude if billions of people believe(for whatever reason)one theory or another,you would tend to investigate the more popular theories.Makes sense.
Not really, primarily because of Occam's Razor. And no, tossing out some "couldn't it be" or "well, it could have been" is not a "theory" in any but the most loose and colloquial definition of the word.
So lets just make sure we are on the same page.
.1.We cant tell whether individuals reproduced,unless they are surrounded by population.I wonder how many "transitional" fossils are found in large populations.
Why does it matter? That individual was part of a population that was reproducing at the time that individual was alive. That entire population could have gone extinct, and a cousin species is the one that gave rise to projenator species. I guess you've never done geneology before huh? Just because your great-granduncle didn't have kids, that doesn't mean your great-grandfather didn't as well. In fact it's axoimatic that he did. You can still establish geneological relationships even if you don't have every single name. The same applies with evolution even if you don't have every single fossil.
It's time to drop the "did this individual reproduce" canard. It's not going anywhere.
.2.We cant tell how intelligent these "super monkeys" are.EQ isnt accurate.
No. We can discern how intelligent some of our ape ancestors were, especially the hominids like habilines and erectus. What you have been told repeatedly now is we cannot determine what their IQ was. And I'm sorry, but EQ is accurate and just saying it's not doesn't change that fact.
.3.Following on from this,if theres a paucity of fossils,and the remains look different from other species than its most likely a mutation.The idea of finding sometthing that looks different and attributing a whole population to it without any back up proof.hmm.
Premise 1 and 2 are flawed and there is no paucity of fossils so your conclusion is completely flawed.
Not really on topic.
Actually completely on topic. Forensics and the court cases built on the findings are an important part of our legal system and some cases are built in scant, but damning trace evidences. The same applies to some fragmentary fossil finds. We can build the case if we have the right pieces.
Not true,ricketts causes skeletal defects.Ricketts has been debunked?
Creationist mythology and straw man. The Creationist claim that Neanderthals were H sapiens that suffered from rickets has long been debunked.
Creationist Arguments: Neandertals
CC051.1: Neanderthal rickets
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