Science vs. Evolution

[AV1611VET]

... you just play cut and paste with pratts from creo sites.

Is this a 'creo site'?

Ten Reasons Evolution is Wrong

 

[Nathan Poe]

Is this a 'creo site'?

Ten Reasons Evolution is Wrong

Actually, it's a PRATT site -- I'll leave it to the philosophers as to whether or not there's a difference.

 

[Cassiterides]

you know what? You really dont know a thing, you just play cut and paste with pratts from creo sites. You want to grow up and learn something, i will help you. you want to play mud fight with duelling websites, forget it.

Nowhere have i copied from a creation site to refute evolution, and in fact some of my arguments or points against evolution have probably never been heard before or are uncommon. Here for example is one (trying to word it probably):

How do evolutionists explain that all animals when born fend for themselves and mature very quickly (usually after a couple of weeks or even days), but a Human baby takes ages i.e 6 or 7 years or more? If you left a Human baby alone it would die very quickly alone, the same for a small child.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Nowhere have i copied from a creation site to refute evolution, and in fact some of my arguments or points against evolution have probably never been heard before or are uncommon. Here for example is one (trying to word it probably):

How do evolutionists explain that all animals when born fend for themselves and mature very quickly (usually after a couple of weeks or even days), but a Human baby takes ages i.e 6 or 7 years or more? If you left a Human baby alone it would die very quickly alone, the same for a small child.

That's an easy one -- An ironic case of our greatest asset also being our greatest weakness.

Human brains are remarkable more advanced than other animals, but at a cost -- they don't fully develop for years; some say until our late teens.

You would think, had we been designed by some all-powerful God who valued us over all other life in the universe, that He would've engineered some sort of work-around for that one, but nope -- we had to do it ourselves.

(P.S. six or seven years to mature? Tell me you don't have kids!)

 

[Hespera]

Nowhere have i copied from a creation site to refute evolution, and in fact some of my arguments or points against evolution have probably never been heard before or are uncommon. Here for example is one (trying to word it probably):

How do evolutionists explain that all animals when born fend for themselves and mature very quickly (usually after a couple of weeks or even days), but a Human baby takes ages i.e 6 or 7 years or more? If you left a Human baby alone it would die very quickly alone, the same for a small child.

they may not be copy paste but the are all so far very tiresomely familiar.

You do not yet have a point against evolution, tho you have shown that there is a lot you need to learn, or you wont even bring up such points.

to me, you are kind of doing cart before horse; you want to disprove something that the finest minds in science cannot falsify, but you dont even have the most basic things learned about it yet!

Now i do have kind of an abrasive manner some times, but I not really a mean person. id like to have a polite conversation.

I will politely ask you again, not to talk about "evolutionists". its not a suitable word, and you are better off without it anyway because it brands you in ways you may not really want.

But lets look at this: explain that all animals when born fend for themselves and mature very quickly (usually after a couple of weeks or even days), but a Human baby takes ages i.e 6 or 7 years or more? If you left a Human baby alone it would die very quickly alone, the same for a small child.

Well first off, this simply is not true. A gorilla chimp or orang. takes several years to mature. Same with elephants. A number of other animals.

Human beings have the longest childhood, yes, but not in contrast to ALL other animals having just a few weeks! So there is a major error in your premise.

The main thing with people is the very large brain. That is our only seriously unique feature. Other animals can out do us in every other physical regard.

The large brain of a chimp takes a long time to mature, same with an elephant. the more so with people. There isnt anything mysterious about why it is as it is. Its all matters of degree, not a huge gulf.

Now on a more general topic: You can always think of things that are hard to explain, or unknown, for various reasons, in any field of science, or in history for that matter. That DOESNT mean you have found the key to falsifying something.

if that is your plan, to just keep thinking of things like that, i am not going to indulge you, its pointless.

The way to disprove a scientific theory isnt to come up with something possibly irrelevant that is not / cant be explained by that theory.



the way it is done is to find an exception to the rule, or something that is directly contrary to it.

Its like in court. the prosecution presents its case, and it looks grim until you prove you were in paris on the day of the murder. you falsified the prosecution theory.

Or maybe you come up with so much that is unexplainable with the prosecution theory that it casts so much doubt that one cannot say he proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

now, to my mind, and in all of the hard sciences... physics, chemistry,etc...there is no reasonable doubt as to the validity of the ToE.
your doubts are not reasonable doubts. they are errors on your part.


that is a fact, my friend. I dont think your doubts are reasonable doubts, esp as they are all, so far, based on complete misunderstanding of the science! Like that "all other animals" and "first life was a cell".

You need to be doubting yourself first! so far all the flaws are in your understanding.

 

[Hespera]

That's an easy one -- An ironic case of our greatest asset also being our greatest weakness.

Human brains are remarkable more advanced than other animals, but at a cost -- they don't fully develop for years; some say until our late teens.

You would think, had we been designed by some all-powerful God who valued us over all other life in the universe, that He would've engineered some sort of work-around for that one, but nope -- we had to do it ourselves.

(P.S. six or seven years to mature? Tell me you don't have kids!)

Late teens? you must not have gone to the high school i went to!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Late teens? you must not have gone to the high school i went to!

VERY Late teens -- and that's admittedly optimistic.

 

[Hespera]

VERY Late teens -- and that's admittedly optimistic.

I wonder if our hero will come back and admit he was mistaken abput how all other animals mature in a few weeks.

It seems harder than pulling teeth to get a creo to admit to one of them awful evos that they were wrong about anything.

What would be the explanation for that?

oh btw i sure wish youd get rid of that awful joker picture. Prease?

 

[laconicstudent]

I'm praying that the "most animals mature in a matter of weeks" bit was a joke.

 

[Hespera]

I'm praying that the "most animals mature in a matter of weeks" bit was a joke.

If not a joke I seriously need to know if he will accept it that he's way off on that one. End of conversation otherwise!

 

[tanzanos]

It seems to have lost a number though (9).

And gained 3 letters: Planet(oid)

 

[tanzanos]

Nowhere have i copied from a creation site to refute evolution, and in fact some of my arguments or points against evolution have probably never been heard before or are uncommon. Here for example is one (trying to word it probably):

How do evolutionists explain that all animals when born fend for themselves and mature very quickly (usually after a couple of weeks or even days), but a Human baby takes ages i.e 6 or 7 years or more? If you left a Human baby alone it would die very quickly alone, the same for a small child.

And I though you will ask a difficult one:

The human brain has evolved in size to the point where humans are have to be born prematurely (9 months gestation) because the female pelvis will not be able to allow a mature baby to pass. The Brain has evolved rapidly while the pelvis has remained proportionately the same. Not all animals can fend for themselves.
Many mammals especially predators care for their young because the young cannot survive before a certain period. If we consider that a dog lives approximately 12 years then the period where the puppy needs its mother in order to survive is akin to a few human years. In the wild humans living in the stone age level are capable of surviving alone at ages as young as 5 years old if not less. The reason being that humans being omnivorous gives them an advantage.

Your so called question that refutes evolution is actually one of the proofs of evolution. Talk about ironies

 

[Nathan Poe]

oh btw i sure wish youd get rid of that awful joker picture. Prease?

Sorry -- it's the one that goes with the speech. It goes the next time I change my sig, tho.

 

[tanzanos]

There are obviously many flaws with it, probably the most well known one - how life started. Darwin in his Origin of Species, never actually answered where life started or came from, or how it did. Evolutionists can never answer those questions. Mostly evolutionists will say their theory doesn't adress the question of origins, but clearly this is false. They teach Humans came from apes, fish or whatever but can only reduce us to a tiny cell. Where did this cell come from? They never can answer.

Also evolutionists can't explain the existence of the conscience which is not matter.

You are referring to ABIOGENESYS. The theory of Evolution does not try to explain how life began. Stop purposely distorting the truth. If you have no idea what the ToE is all about then stop bearing false witness!

 

[USincognito]

Regarding evolution, it remains a fact that it has never been observed. No one has observed something 'evolve' i.e a fish to a land walking specie...

{purely rhetorical}

What is it that 95% of the people who make this mistake are Creationists?
Species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Specie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

{purely rhetorical}

 

[USincognito]

evolutionists don't have morals, this is just evidence for that.

This is 'Christianforums', the vast majority of Christians are in agreement homosexuality is a sin as the scripture quite clearly teaches.

The person spamming gay rights activism in this thread clearly is in such denial of their sin they feel the need to promote their sexual immorality with an aim of acceptance or approval. That won't work on me though, since homosexuality is not moral and is against the laws of the Bible.

Ah, you're a longline fisherman. A newbie who rails about "spam" in his thread and goes off on these sorts of tangents about a long time member who most of us know is a Catholic and an Afghanistan vet, is clearly not engaging in serious debate.

 

[laconicstudent]

Ah, you're a longline fisherman. A newbie who rails about "spam" in his thread and goes off on these sorts of tangents about a long time member who most of us know is a Catholic and an Afghanistan vet, is clearly not engaging in serious debate.

The "THIS IS CHRISTIANFORUMS WHY ARE THERE ATHEIST HEATHENS HERE?!?!!?" is my personal favorite.

this thread generates much lulz.

 

[AV1611VET]

this thread generates much lulz.

What gets me is to see someone go into very specific detail about some facet of evolution, then do just the opposite when it comes to some facet of the Bible, using confusing terms like 'poofed' and 'magicked'.

They could talk all day about the difference between heat (total energy) and temperature (average kinetic energy) in an object, but you ask them about the fiery furnace incident in the book of Daniel and you get crickets chirping.

They'll tell you the burning bush was some type of indigenous plant to that area (like they really know), but then again, clam-up with the fiery furnace incident.

They'll tell you Noah's Ark would never have survived the stresses of the Flood, then suddenly go silent when it comes to -- once again -- the fiery furnace incident.

I suppose a clipboard can only face one direction at a time.

 

[tanzanos]

What gets me is to see someone go into very specific detail about some facet of evolution, then do just the opposite when it comes to some facet of the Bible, using confusing terms like 'poofed' and 'magicked'.

They could talk all day about the difference between heat (total energy) and temperature (average kinetic energy) in an object, but you ask them about the fiery furnace incident in the book of Daniel and you get crickets chirping.

They'll tell you the burning bush was some type of indigenous plant to that area (like they really know), but then again, clam-up with the fiery furnace incident.

They'll tell you Noah's Ark would never have survived the stresses of the Flood, then suddenly go silent when it comes to -- once again -- the fiery furnace incident.

I suppose a clipboard can only face one direction at a time.

Fiery furnace? What does it run on? Is it eco friendly? We need more information on the specs. Where does the fuel it runs on come from? How much does it cost. Really now AV; don't withhold vital information. We need info if we are to comment on this fiery furnace of yours; unless you want this topic to Heat up (pun intended).

Hope you are having a nice day

 

[AV1611VET]

Hope you are having a nice day

I am -- thank you.

Just out of curiosity, do you speak Greek?

If so, is it Classical Greek, Koine Greek, or something else?

In addition, are you what's called a 'Hellenist'? or 'Ionian'?