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[OldWiseGuy]

The Theory of Evolution suggests no such thing. Individuals do not evolve, populations evolve.

So individuals don't change at the genomic level and pass those traits on unless millions of others do so at the same time (keeping in mind that evolution doesn't always improve a species)?

 

[VirOptimus]

So individuals don't change at the genomic level and pass those traits on unless millions of others do so at the same time (keeping in mind that evolution doesn't always improve a species)?

So:s law in action.

 

[Jimmy D]

My quotes are paraphrased as I’m having to type from memory, but the video contained gems such as....


“Has anyone observed an animal change from kind to kind, because in order for it to be science you have to have an observation”

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“500 of these stones have been found have every known dinosaur depicted on them”

(Referring to known fakes as “proof” dinos and men coexisted)

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“Evolutionists believe an asteroid hit the earth and killed off all the big dinosaurs, what’s so silly about that is that we still have big animals today”

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Interviewee (who doesn’t seem particularly competent)

“Large dinosaurs died out, the asteroid wiped out there food source, trees were wiped out etc”

Interviewer:
“So the asteroid was so close it literally chopped their (big dinosaurs) heads off?”

....Quick edit before interviewee can respond.... cut to another talking head.....

“They come up with silly theories like asteroids cutting dinosaurs heads off”

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“Proof of the flood is Fossilised sea shells on Mount Everest”

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“Neanderthal man is a fraud based on one skull that was found”

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I could go on, ol’ Kent discussing “favoured races”, polystrate trees etc. Hawking called “stupid and retarded”, death and murder rates increasing since evolution was introduced into schools. Etc etc.

It’s one of the biggest loads of PRATTS, lies and misinformation I’ve seen, truly embarrassing.

Is this really representative of the state of fundamentalism in the US?

Utter, utter garbage.

 

[PaoloPorini1972]

I clicked through briefly. Looks a lot like the usual stuff. You have Dr. Dino (who is a felon and a thief who made his cash off God...the cash he wasn't stealing from his fellow citizens that is...when you cheat on taxes you steal from your neighbor.) and you have the "evolution is a religion" canard. The kick-off with the Columbine was a nice strawman. If Kleibold and Harris had been evolutionary biologists perhaps there would be a reason to put that in there? Too bad they were just mentally messed up kids with evil intent that had nothing to do with evolutionary biology.

If I might ask, what specific aspect of this video did you find most convincing that evolution is wrong? I'm just curious because it's easy to post 1 hour videos...it's a lot harder to see if you know all the details of the science against which it appears to be attacking.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So individuals don't change at the genomic level and pass those traits on unless millions of others do so at the same time (keeping in mind that evolution doesn't always improve a species)?

That's not evolution. Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

 

[PaoloPorini1972]

The evidence of special creation is overwhelming.

Are you talking about the millions upon millions of "creation events" in the fossil record that show NEW TYPES OF LIFE arising over time?

Exactly which part of Genesis says that God created all life over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Are you talking about the millions upon millions of "creation events" in the fossil record that show NEW TYPES OF LIFE arising over time?

Exactly which part of Genesis says that God created all life over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over?

The geologic record agrees with the biblical pattern of ruin/restoration.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Another drive-by post which consists of an hour and a half of gish galopping.


Here's an idea: pick a subject, communicate your argument for that specific point and post the video as a reference. Preferably with a timestamp that takes us right to the specific point you want to discuss.

Otherwise, what is the point of this? You want us to waste our time watching this whole clip, and then what?

This is a discussion forum, not a propaganda channel or movie sharing channel.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So individuals don't change at the genomic level and pass those traits on unless millions of others do so at the same time (keeping in mind that evolution doesn't always improve a species)?

Every single individual has a set of genetic mutations unique to them.
This is how changes are introduced in a population, yes.

But populations evolve, not individuals.

Evolution has a occured, when one or more of such mutations achieve fixation. That means that they have spread throughout the majority of the population.

In short: evolution is the fixation of changes in the population.
Genetic mutations in individuals, is how these changes are initially introduced to the population.

 

[DogmaHunter]

“500 of these stones have been found have every known dinosaur depicted on them”

(Referring to known fakes as “proof” dinos and men coexisted)

LOLOLOL!!!!

It mentions those stones?

That's HILARIOUS!

I did a report on that hoax in high school when I was 16. That was 22 years ago.

 

[PaoloPorini1972]

The geologic record agrees with the biblical pattern of ruin/restoration.

Not in the Genesis account(s). The Bible would have to have literally billions of ruin/destruction sequences. There is no such thing in Genesis.

If you infer that then why demand special creation? If what we see in the actual physical record bears NO RESEMBLANCE to what we see in the Bible, why make all sorts of inferences to make the Bible square with reality?

Even the order of creation in the Bible doesn't match the order that things show up in the rock record. Not by a long shot.

Seed bearing plants and fruit-bearing plants show up before the sun in the Bible. Then fish? Nope, not the order that is manifestly obvious in the record. Birds before land animals? Nope, again, not what nature reveals.

I'm all for people being biblical literalists so long as they don't try to square what we know of in reality with what their interpretation of the literal Genesis is. But the geologic record doesn't comport with the Bible.

Even the flood myth of Noah. First off there's no single global flood event that we see in the geologic record. There are a number of times when the oceans rise up over continental areas (called "transgressive sequences") but you can't point to those unless you want to claim that there were literally millions of Noah Floods all throughout geologic time.

Part of the reason that geology changed in the 18th century and was able to become a solid science was when the early geologists abandoned the attempts to square the Biblical account with what the rocks showed.

(NOTE: this doesn't mean one needs to abandon the Bible...just that the Bible isn't a geology text book...not even close).

 

[PaoloPorini1972]

Another drive-by post which consists of an hour and a half of gish galopping.


Here's an idea: pick a subject, communicate your argument for that specific point and post the video as a reference. Preferably with a timestamp that takes us right to the specific point you want to discuss.

Otherwise, what is the point of this? You want us to waste our time watching this whole clip, and then what?

This is a discussion forum, not a propaganda channel or movie sharing channel.

Agreed. This is so frustrating but quite common. Someone finds something that really "speaks" to them and they want everyone to see the brilliance of this analysis. But I fear that many people who are new to the debate on evolution-creation forget that this debate has been going on for a looooong time and literally every point that is raised in these videos is usually a PRATT (Point Refuted A Thousand Times), so no one is really going to be swayed who has any familiarity with the topic.

My biggest issue is when people dump a 1 hour+ video on line and say "Lookit this! Brilliant!" and then walks away. They seldom if ever point to any specific point that really impressed them, and perhaps it is because they don't really understand the science they are attempting to debate against.

Posting a link is a whole lot easier than spending years learning this science or associated science.

 

[JackRT]

They seldom if ever point to any specific point that really impressed them, and perhaps it is because they don't really understand the science they are attempting to debate against.

That is a near universal problem. If you wish to refute something it is always best to know exactly what you are trying to refute. I have been called a fool and even demonic (my all time favourite is "Spawn of Satan") by people who have virtually no scientific education at all. If they actually understood the science, they would not come across as so incredibly naïve.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It gets children to believe they are more evolved than others and have the right to shoot them in the head...... after all, they are just animals and it is survival of the fittest.....

To believe in evolution, then believe one human can not evolve into a better human than another would be contradictory, yes?

Sorry, that is not part of the theory of evolution. I could make a very similar false argument against Christianity. Tell me does Christianity teach children to believe that they are more holy than other? And that that makes it right for them to shoot others in the head? I hope that you said "No".

 

[Subduction Zone]

So individuals don't change at the genomic level and pass those traits on unless millions of others do so at the same time (keeping in mind that evolution doesn't always improve a species)?

That is not evolution.

Unless the change is beneficial and passed on to the population as a whole it makes no difference.

 

[kiwimac]

The evidence of special creation is overwhelming. No need for yet another presentation to convince.

Rot and nonsense.

 

[PaoloPorini1972]

It gets children to believe they are more evolved than others and have the right to shoot them in the head...... after all, they are just animals and it is survival of the fittest.....

Wow. That's a pretty messed up interpretation. Where did you get that from? Doesn't sound like any of the science I've learned.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Every single individual has a set of genetic mutations unique to them.
This is how changes are introduced in a population, yes.

But populations evolve, not individuals.

Evolution has a occured, when one or more of such mutations achieve fixation. That means that they have spread throughout the majority of the population.


In short: evolution is the fixation of changes in the population.
Genetic mutations in individuals, is how these changes are initially introduced to the population.

How do 'individual' changes spread through a population?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Seed bearing plants and fruit-bearing plants show up before the sun in the Bible. Nope, not the order that is manifestly obvious in the record.

I'll just address your argument concerning the appearance of the sun.

The bible doesn't say when the sun was created (only that it was created in the beginning), just when it appeared, which was when the veil of darkness was removed from the obviously pre-existing sea, and thus the pre-existing surface of the earth.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That is not evolution.

Unless the change is beneficial and passed on to the population as a whole it makes no difference.

So evolution is always an improvement of the species?